Establishing why tsunade is on par with previous hokage .

[sharingansennin]

Tsunade is obviously not the strongest but her ability to heal and having Katuya and her political and her improvements to the ninja system in general are very great she's a support ninja she isn't great 1v1 but as Gokage vs Madara showed she can be a huge help while in a team format.

 

[RedRobin]

I intend to prove tsunade is on par with previous hokage . This thread is not trying to make anyone like tsunade . I will prove she is worthy of her title using certain criteria . War feats , changed shinobi world , Individual power and skills , Blood line , knowledge

War feats = On par with the 4th ! Before becoming hokage. She was credited with being a major reason konoha won the 2nd world war . Just like minato was credited for being a major reason konoha won a war !!! In current war she made key decisions ( example convincing raikage to let naruto and bee fight in war ) And was co- mvp with oonoki in the madara battle . She basically kept other kages alive by healing and giving chakra . Without her gokage would have been dead long ago . Tsunade and OOnoki inspired the troops and kept morale high . Tsunade wasnt just in a war, but played key roles .

Changed shinobi world = On par with the 2nd ! Tobirama changed the ninja world by creating systems other villages would copy . ( example starting ninja academy , anbu , Etc ) Tsunade also changed the ninja world establishing the medical ninja . She created a medical system that was copied world wide . In turn saving thousands of ninjas lives . making them able to continue to fight .
Bloodline and individual skills = senju and uzumaki = strong life force and physical energy ( example being cut in half and surviving, having enough chakra to heal a whole village ) stamina chakra reserves , vitality . Being a descendant of ashura( senju and their cousins uzumaki ) she got body power ! Individual skills equal = Her strength tsunade can break bones and rupture internal organs with her monster strength . One blow from her would be game over . She has a raw strength advantage over any opponant. Her healing powers make her almost unkillable . She can regenerate any parts or organs !! Her one shot kill potential plus her regenerative ability , evasion skills and her summon makes her very diffucult to beat, unless you are god -tier op! Her healing powers are not at hashi level on individual basis . But through her summon she can heal a whole village!! Hashi cant do that . And finally her Knowledge and will of fire seems to be on par with the rest of the hokage . Knowing about most things in shinobi world . And putting her life on the line to defend the village from pein . And willing to die to protect young naruto from oro and kabuto . who she saw as a future hokage . For these reasons i feel she is on par with the previous hokage in her own right .And worhty of her title . Sorry for not having scans i dont know how to post them . and for thread being so long . I hope at least a few people read it . :O

Frogot about that. Thanked just for that. I agree.

 

[blackstar9]

I wasn't discrediting Tsunade's feats just don't think they should be compared to the other Hokages since we all know Kishi doesn't write his female characters as well as he does the male. Can't compare Tsunade creating the medical system to what Tobirama did since he created 3 systems that is used in other villages; Chunin exam, anbu, and the academy. It would be better to compare that to Hashirama creating the village system with some help from Madara.

Tsunade's healing did help them win the war but we know she couldn't save everyone and lost people such as Dan and others while Minato took out the enemies before they can do further damage. Which is better, healing the wounds of those who go hurt or preventing them from getting hurt. This is why I don't think you should compare them, it would just make people say one way is better than the other. We know medical ninjas are important and it's thanks to Tsunade for improving Konoha's medical systems upon her return to Konoha that allow ninjas such as Sakura and Ino to aid their teams.

you can compare what tsunade did to what tobirama did . because they were both adopted by other villages . and became a staple afterwards . All villages have medical corps now . And being able to heal them means they can return to battle . So yeah she changed the world with a system she created . just like tobirama . to your point about her not saving everyone . Nobody did . Hiruzen didnt stop every ninja from dying during oro invasion . I think its the 3rd war minato got credited for winning , people died . I never said tsunade feats are better then other kages ! I said on par with previous kages feats . 2nd created a system copied by ninja world so did tsunade . Minato was credited with winning war for the leaf , so was tsunade . previous hokage put life on line to protect leaf , so did tsunade . The thread was about her feats bewing on par with other hokage . Not that she is better then other hokage . On Par is the key word

 

[Rainbow Dash]

when it comes to political issues and competence as a leader she's actually better than any of them.

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[RicardoA]

thsi is not a versus thread . So i dint directly compare abilities against each other . If you read the o.p. i said i wasd using certain criteria . I said warfeats, Tsunade clearly is on par with other kage in this department . Sense she was credited with being main reason leaf won 2nd war . I also stated impact on shinobi world , or changing the shinobi world . She is clearly on par with the other kage in this department . Because the medical system she created changed the shinobi world . I mentioned bloodline . Her being half senju and half uzumaki gves her body power!! not going to retype the whole o.p. but you get my point . Once again not a versus thread . if you want to turn it into a vs thread thats different . regarding what you posted about tobirama using e.t. and tiring her out thats meh at best . You dont know what tobirama e.t. jutsu was like . And tsunade being senju and uzumaki . Its going to hard outlast her . YOu mentioned minato and rasengan . Well rasengan aint hurting tsunade . he got frog summon she got slug summon . bm minato is only a edo thing . alive minato didnt have bijuu mode

No paragraphs again? Are you trolling? >_>

Its not a vs thread but you have to bring up the 'fact' that they can't kill her for some reason.
How do you establish she's on par w/o comparing her to others in multiple fields? I can make this all about medical ninjutsu and physical strenght, and make her look good. You're not making her look on par, you're trying to make her look better.
Kiba can cut multiple opponents in pieces, i guess he's even better than her. The logic you're using is that bad.

Like i said before, she's the best and most competent of the Hokages (bar or equal with Minato), but when it comes to combat she's generally outclassed. She isn't on par regardeless because she either outclasses or is outclassed.
War feats? The Hokages have been helping dealing with the Juubi Jinchuuriki and Madara while she was busy surviving against a minor threat. And while they're seemingly not done for, she's waiting safely together with the rest of the Alliance.

I don't know what Tobirama's ET is like? (

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I'm aware of her lineage, but i'm also aware that medical ninjutsu consumes a lot of chakra. She has a second and much bigger chakra reservouir for a reason. That doesn't mean much though, if she has to heal every second from life threatening injuries and if her opponent can keep up longer than she can.
Yes it will, not killing =/= not hurting. Once again outlasting is a possibility.
Katsuyu ain't nothing on Ma and Pa and my argument wasn't dependant on Edo Minato either way.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

weakest strength wise, but thats like comparing a tyrannosaurus to godzilla, when a skink is a deadly enemy. in terms of strength she's around high jonin.

she was never meant to be as strong as the previous hokage, she was chosen, as a last resort, for her medical ninjutsu. not to punch people into goo.

 

[RedRobin]

weakest strength wise, but thats like comparing a tyrannosaurus to godzilla, when a skink is a deadly enemy. in terms of strength she's around high jonin.

she was never meant to be as strong as the previous hokage, she was chosen, as a last resort, for her medical ninjutsu. not to punch people into goo.

Please stop.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Please stop.

stop doing what? she is just underrated because she is a weak kage. way stronger than most people (also, whats the definition of high jonin? i mean around current kakashi level)

 

[RedRobin]

stop doing what? she is just underrated because she is a weak kage. way stronger than most people (also, whats the definition of high jonin? i mean around current kakashi level)

She is higher than current Kakashi. She is on par with the current gokage. So I guess they are high jounin as well.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

She is higher than current Kakashi. She is on par with the current gokage. So I guess they are high jounin as well.

wait, you where agreeing with me?

 

[blackstar9]

No paragraphs again? Are you trolling? >_> no are you trolling

Its not a vs thread but you have to bring up the 'fact' that they can't kill her for some reason.
How do you establish she's on par w/o comparing her to others?
Kiba can cut multiple opponents in pieces, i guess he's even better than her. The logic you're using is that bad.

Like i said before, she's the best and most competent of the Hokages (bar or equal with Minato), but when it comes to combat she's generally outclassed. She isn't on par regardeless because she either outclasses or is outclassed.
War feats? The Hokages have been helping dealing with the Juubi Jinchuuriki and Madara while she was busy surviving against a minor threat. And while they're seemingly not done for, she's waiting safely together with the rest of the Alliance.

I don't know what Tobirama's ET is like? (

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I'm aware of her lineage, but i'm also aware that medical ninjutsu consumes a lot of chakra. She has a second and much bigger chakra reservouir for a reason. That doesn't mean much though, if she has to heal every second from life threatening injuries and if her opponent can keep up longer than she can.
Yes it will, not killing =/= not hurting. Once again outlasting is a possibility.
Katsuyu ain't nothing on Ma and Pa and my argument wasn't dependant on Edo Minato either way.

your trolling or didnt read whole thread . Like i said its not a versus thread . I only mentioned what could happen in a fight when anothjer memeber start saying other kage would do this or that to her . I specifically stated in the o.p. her feats are on par with other kage . warfeats , changing shinobi world , etc etc the other hokage are dealing with juubi jins , thats irrelevent . The other hokages are edos . and madara wasa the biggest threat at the time . your point about her having big chakra reserves but that doesnt mean anything cause she will be facing life saving threats is baseless and a total assumption . Liek she will do nothing in a fight but sit there wait to get hurt and heal . she will be fighting her enemy in danger as well your ma and pa assumtion is not fact either . Ive never seen him summon ma and pa have you ? no you havent . She is outclassed in battle because of what ? She is quite capable of killing enemies , and defending herself from enemies . Lets not act like she hasnt been on the battlefield before .

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Tsunade is the weakest hokage, but she's one of the best. Tsunade doesn't make stupid emotional decisions during war, and she's very responsible as hokage

 

[RicardoA]

your trolling or didnt read whole thread . Like i said its not a versus thread . I only mentioned what could happen in a fight when anothjer memeber start saying other kage would do this or that to her . I specifically stated in the o.p. her feats are on par with other kage . warfeats , changing shinobi world , etc etc the other hokage are dealing with juubi jins , thats irrelevent . The other hokages are edos . and madara wasa the biggest threat at the time . your point about her having big chakra reserves but that doesnt mean anything cause she will be facing life saving threats is baseless and a total assumption . Liek she will do nothing in a fight but sit there wait to get hurt and heal . she will be fighting her enemy in danger as well your ma and pa assumtion is not fact either . Ive never seen him summon ma and pa have you ? no you havent . She is outclassed in battle because of what ? She is quite capable of killing enemies , and defending herself from enemies . Lets not act like she hasnt been on the battlefield before .

No, are you trolling? You don't tell someone else he/she is trolling after being asked that before ._.

Every Hokage and many other characters have influenced the world one way or another.
We are told that thanks to her, mortallity rate dropped. That's great, but doesn't affect the plot directly in any noticeable way.
She's not supposed to be absolutely on par with the other Hokages, at least in combat. That was never the point, and you don't get that. You keep listing everything good there is to her and make excuses in order to keep the other Hokage's achievements out of the picture.

Madara and Obito were both the greatest threat when the previous Hokages arrived the battlefield, saved to alliance and made things even again. Replace any of them with Tsunade and thing about the result. No four way barrier, no effective coordinate attacks, no elemental counter balance, nothing.

Bottom line being: Not on par, different (but no less worthy or capable). Weakest (battle wise), but the best (politically, as a ruler).

 

[ShinjuMadara]

She is definitely hokage level, it's just that her fighting style is based more on support so it's not like we see her on front lines all that often, but I understand what you're saying OP

 

[xxSAGExx]

you can compare what tsunade did to what tobirama did . because they were both adopted by other villages . and became a staple afterwards . All villages have medical corps now . And being able to heal them means they can return to battle . So yeah she changed the world with a system she created . just like tobirama . to your point about her not saving everyone . Nobody did . Hiruzen didnt stop every ninja from dying during oro invasion . I think its the 3rd war minato got credited for winning , people died . I never said tsunade feats are better then other kages ! I said on par with previous kages feats . 2nd created a system copied by ninja world so did tsunade . Minato was credited with winning war for the leaf , so was tsunade . previous hokage put life on line to protect leaf , so did tsunade . The thread was about her feats bewing on par with other hokage . Not that she is better then other hokage . On Par is the key word

Never said you said anything different but she created a system when Tobirama created three, 1 isn't on par with 3 so you can't say she's on par with him in that aspect. Her ability to create a system that is used by many is on par but her making one wouldn't exactly put her equal to Tobirama who created systems that weren't around. there were ninjas who used medical ninjutsu long before Tsunade, she was just the most skilled and since she was the best, she made laws that fit what she saw were right and that was accepted by other medical ninjas. There were no other academy systems, Anbu black opts, or chunin exams because Hashirama just created the village system with Madara so Tobirama's system was the first like Hashirama and Madara's while there were Medical systems around before Tsunade since she didn't create it but learned about it and became the most skilled at it.

Less people will be injured or die if you prevent the threat that would cause those injuries or dead. Minato most likely saved more people in that one battle than Tsunade did in the 2nd war. She is 1 person and can' be everywhere so those she couldn't make it too probably died or was saved by another medic ninja. Minato is also one person but that one person can be at any battle field in mere seconds by giving them all a kunai and then wiping out the enemy in seconds as we seen him do in the manga and anime.

Here feats are worthy but they are not on par since par means, "Noun- a state of being essentially equal or equivalent." Her feats are not equal to the other Hokages, she has her own feats and they have theirs.

 

[Cresee]

No .

 

[iNotorious]

Are you saying Tsunade = SM hashirama, Tobirama with FTG + ET, Hiruzen and MINATO? lol, i just can't.

Disagree, she's not close to them.

Naruto wasn't even close of defeating SM hashirama at BSM.

He surpassed sm hashirama at RM .

 

[Koro]

No... Just stop...

- SM Hashirama rapes Tsunade (incest much?)
- Tobirama beats her no-/mid-diff.
- Minato beats her no-/mid-diff.
- Hiruzen beats her infinity negative neg-diff.

Tsunade is fodder compared to the previous Hokage; the only one she even remotely has a chance of beating is Minato.