Establishing Why Tobirama > EMS Madara

[Gold Lightning]

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Just thought I'd throw this out here.

That's Kakashi when essentially banked out on chakra and still making Bushin to that extent; Tobirama could easily replicate this feat and we have to remember all these Bushin would move at Tobirama's speed.

I don't necessarily believe he wins, but it's worth note.

Don't forget his power divides with each clone, essentially being slower and less powerful, basically meat for Madara and a huge waste of chakra. It's not a wise thing to do in battle, unless you're Naruto who's chakra doesn't deplete that easily or Hashirama. And I'm pretty sure Naruto chakra > Tobirama, Senju or not.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Absolutely not. We all love a bit of Tobirama, but no.

 

[Aya San]

At it's core it doesn't matter if he can or can't, so long as he counters the water in his immediate vicinit - which is easily done. Why would he need care about the excess?

His water jutsu can't cover over his head and back, meaning the large scale katon would engulf him.

 

[WolfHaley]

Don't forget his power divides with each clone, essentially being slower and less powerful, basically meat for Madara and a huge waste of chakra. It's not a wise thing to do in battle, unless you're Naruto who's chakra doesn't deplete that easily or Hashirama. And I'm pretty sure Naruto chakra > Tobirama, Senju or not.

It divides chakra, nothing else. It wouldn't be a huge waste as all chakra would return to Tobirama.

His water jutsu can't cover over his head and back, meaning the large scale katon would engulf him.

Look up the water wall. You fail to realise that Suiton is > Katon, Aya San. Even then a Bushin can easily fill in the blanks.

 

[iFlowMotion]

This was interesting to say the least. Good thread but I disagree. I know you "countered" PS but I can't see tobirama defeating it let alone Tsukyomi JMO

 

[Gold Lightning]

It divides chakra, nothing else. It wouldn't be a huge waste as all chakra would return to Tobirama.



Look up the water wall. You fail to realise that Suiton is > Katon, Aya San. Even then a Bushin can easily fill in the blanks.

Dividing chakra means dividing your power too. The same way Mú can't use Dust release when he's in his divided state.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It divides chakra, nothing else. It wouldn't be a huge waste as all chakra would return to Tobirama.



Look up the water wall. You fail to realise that Suiton is > Katon, Aya San. Even then a Bushin can easily fill in the blanks.

Any proof tobirama's suiton is strong enough to stop madara's katon? It took 20 shinobi to stop madara. Tobirama's featless with his little pools of water.

 

[WolfHaley]

Dividing chakra means dividing your power too. The same way Mú can't use Dust release when he's in his divided state.

No it doesn't, physical capability and chakra come from the same source, but they are not the same thing.

Any proof tobirama's suiton is strong enough to stop madara's katon? It took 20 shinobi to stop madara. Tobirama's featless with his little pools of water.

They covered the range of Madara's Katon, as a simple Suiton wouldn't have that range. Tobirama need not counter the range, it would be Madara wasting his chakra. You're letting size fool you.

 

[AGoodBoy]

No it doesn't, physical capability and chakra come from the same source, but they are not the same thing.



They covered the range of Madara's Katon, as a simple Suiton wouldn't have that range. Tobirama need not counter the range, it would be Madara wasting his chakra. You're letting size fool you.

What? Tobirama needs comparable amounts of water or else it will all evaporate away like kakashi's suiton when he faced kakuzu. You don't through a bucket of water infront of a flame thrower and expect to survive.

 

[Aya San]

Look up the water wall. You fail to realise that Suiton is > Katon, Aya San. Even then a Bushin can easily fill in the blanks.

Does water wall cover every angle? Or does it leave his back and the top of him open? Because then fire would still get to him due to a bigger size. And water > fire only when they're the same scale, Madara's fire is on a different scale, juubi-sized

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama doesn't need to douse out all the fire. 7/8ths of the katon is not coming near him anyways. He only needs to block the fire within his immediate range. And the Kage Bunshin splits chakra up, not physical skills. Each Bunshin would be the same speed and same strength.

Not really that hard of a concept to understand guys.

 

[shelke]

That little thin water gun doesn't cannot extinguish even one percent of Extermination or Destruction. Tobirama is roasted.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Tobirama doesn't need to douse out all the fire. 7/8ths of the katon is not coming near him anyways. He only needs to block the fire within his immediate range. And the Kage Bunshin splits chakra up, not physical skills. Each Bunshin would be the same speed and same strength.

Not really that hard of a concept to understand guys.

lol? and what jutsu does he have to block the fire coming immediately at him. because it's a shit ton and all he has is a thin little stream.

 

[WolfHaley]

It's a pretty basic concept to understand, there's not much else to say. Already stated how Kage Bushin can add to the pot but if we want to maintain incredulous arguments that's just fine.

There would be a severe lacking of Suiton when Tobirama can actively spit it out, after all.

 

[KidGamer65]

lol, why are we even discussing Suiton here like its some kind of factor? Though I see these guys are still clinging to their belief that a weak Suiton will let him survive a Strong Katon just because its Suiton....Lol

 

[WolfHaley]

Go play in trafic, or make another one of your Sakura threads, kiddie gamer.

 

[KidGamer65]

Go play in trafic, or make another one of your Sakura threads, kiddie gamer.

Lol, we all know that was you....at least I hope.

I'm still curious on how anyone in their right mind could believe Tobirama beats EMS Madara with summons restricted let alone with Kurama.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It's a pretty basic concept to understand, there's not much else to say. Already stated how Kage Bushin can add to the pot but if we want to maintain incredulous arguments that's just fine.

There would be a severe lacking of Suiton when Tobirama can actively spit it out, after all.

Yes, It's a basic concept. Large volumes of water are needed to put out massive fires. You're the only person here who puts on a forest fire with a bucket. Tobirama aint got the suiton feats and kage bushin have already been claimed to be fodder by madara

 

[Touken]

People honestly believe Madara's gonna get the space to use a large Katon while in a 1v1?

Tobirama counters his Katon with Suiton. Madara needs space to allow his Katon to grow that large and it only grew that large because no form of a barrier stopped his or Obito's Katon from getting further. You don't need a large Suiton to counter Madara's Katon, all you need to do is put something up to stop Madara's Katon from going any further, and Suiton would be the best form of countering Madara's Katon as water naturally extinguishes fire.

Not sure who wins since I'm not sure of Gojou Kibakufuda's destructive capabilities, and it's hard to determine Madara's PS's tanking capabilities.

 

[ntel]

EMS+Kyubi>Tobirama

EMS Madara<>Tobirama...