Establishing Why: Naruto and Madara are the strongest team

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Kabuto DSM and Kisame make the best team. Believe it.
 

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there are some points where you just straight up exaggerated naruto and madaras power and gave them abilities that they have never shown or have not been implied to have.
 

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Naruto can tell Madara that he's under a Genjutsu and its dispelled. Kurama breaks KA on Naruto.

SM Naruto beats Danzo. Kyuubi doesn't need to get involved.

KA is still short range which he won't get close enough to use.

It doesn't matter if Naruto can tell Madara is under KA, Danzo will tell Madara to kill Naruto.

No dude, SM Naruto does not beat Danzo. Especially with Madara.

There is nothing in manga that states KA is short range.

Izanami won't work on Naruto. It only works on the "internally lost", that's the whole basis of the Jutsu. You have no basis to say Kurama can't break it.

Because when Izanami takes effect, it doesn't appear like a normal genjutsu. Kurama will not realize it's a genjutsu because it looks as if it is real.

Also, Itachi already said theres only one way break out from Izanami and that is to accept their actions. Naruto's done a bunch of bad things sooo yeah.

Also, remember how Sasuke could enter Naruto's mind and meet Kurama? Yeah Itachi will do that and also use Izanami on Kurama.

Kabuto alone has no chance against Madara.

Madara has nothing that can hurt DSM Kabuto. Not even Kajukai Kourin, not even PS slash.

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Also, why the hell do you say that Kabuto can't control the jinchuriki?

Also, I think you overestimate Ultimate Bijuudama again. If it hits an edo, it takes the edo body 1 second to reform.

Also... since the soul of Hashirama has been released and Kabuto has a bunch of Hashirama DNA, it means that Edo Hashirama CAN be a part of Kabuto's arsenal. Which multiplies Kabutos firepower even more.
 
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It doesn't matter if Naruto can tell Madara is under KA, Danzo will tell Madara to kill Naruto.

No dude, SM Naruto does not beat Danzo. Especially with Madara.

There is nothing in manga that states KA is short range.

Izanami won't work on Naruto. It only works on the "internally lost", that's the whole basis of the Jutsu. You have no basis to say Kurama can't break it.

Itachi already said theres only one way break out from Izanami and that is to accept their actions. Naruto's done a bunch of bad things sooo yeah.



Madara has nothing that can hurt DSM Kabuto. Not even Kajukai Kourin, not even PS slash.

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You also seem to forget that since PS is huge and slows Naruto down, it makes Naruto a bigger and easier target to hit with Amaterasu. Edo Itachi = Unlimited Amaterasu.

Also, why the hell do you say that Kabuto can't control the jinchuriki?

Also, I think you overestimate Ultimate Bijuudama again. If it hits an edo, it takes the edo body 1 second to reform.

When he tells Madara he under the Genjutsu it will be over, not that it matters since they wot get close enough to use it.

SM Naruto definately beats Danzo.

Not this crap again, Naruto's not internally lost. It won't affect him. Now, Izanami is a Genjutsu and it works the same way all other Genjutsu's work and can be ended by Kurama, Kabuto didn't have a Bijuu so that was a non factor when he mentioned that.


Large scale attacks disrupt Hydrapgication, fact. Kabuto doesn't even have feats of full Hydrapgication. Only partial.

Amaterasu doesn't matter when it's blocked by Susano'O or BM (or Mokuon)

He can control the Jins hit not the Bijuu.

That's why it took Muu forever to reform from just Wakusei Rasengan right?
 

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It doesn't matter if Naruto can tell Madara is under KA, Danzo will tell Madara to kill Naruto.

No dude, SM Naruto does not beat Danzo. Especially with Madara.

There is nothing in manga that states KA is short range.



When he tells Madara he under the Genjutsu it will be over, not that it matters since they wot get close enough to use it.

SM Naruto definately beats Danzo.

Not this crap again, Naruto's not internally lost. It won't affect him. Now, Izanami is a Genjutsu and it works the same way all other Genjutsu's work and can be ended by Kurama, Kabuto didn't have a Bijuu so that was a non factor when he mentioned that.


Large scale attacks disrupt Hydrapgication, fact. Kabuto doesn't even have feats of full Hydrapgication. Only partial.

Amaterasu doesn't matter when it's blocked by Susano'O or BM (or Mokuon)

He can control the Jins hit not the Bijuu.

That's why it took Muu forever to reform from just Wakusei Rasengan right?

What do you mean it will be over? Madara will be attacking Naruto.

Nah I don't think so.

Like I said, Kurama won't NOTICE the Izanami. Izanami doesn't effect the chakra. And two, Kurama will see what Naruto sees and it will be something that is very realistic like, and not the typical genjutsu.

Also, Tsukuyomi works on Jinchuriki. It only lasts one second and Kurama cannot dispel under 1 second.

Kabuto's hydrification is actually better, considering that it is enhanced with sage chakra. I think that's obvious. Even if it's partially, all physical attacks go through him. Also, Kabuto can just shunshin out of the range of BD's.

If Amaterasu hits Naruto then Naruto lost. It might not hurt the cloak, but when BM is over, Naruto will die.

Jins, Bijuu, I think you know what I meant. He can control the paths.

Rasengan planet was so weak that it didn't even put Muu through the reforming phase.
 

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What do you mean it will be over? Madara will be attacking Naruto.

Once Madara realizes he's in a Genjutsu the Jutsu will be over

Nah I don't think so.

With three boss Kuchiyose he wins quite easily.

Like I said, Kurama won't NOTICE the Izanami. Izanami doesn't effect the chakra. And two, Kurama will see what Naruto sees and it will be something that is very realistic like, and not the typical genjutsu.

That's blatantly false. Kurama can see what Naruto would see. Under your pretense Bijuu wouldn't bee able to break their users out of Genjutsu. Which again, an outright lie.

Genjutsu affects chakra. That's the whole application of Genjutsu. Quit speculating.


Also, Tsukuyomi works on Jinchuriki. It only lasts one second and Kurama cannot dispel under 1 second.

I've already established this. Though it doesn't matter as Naruto wot make eye contact with Itachi. He's already fought him and avoided it without even resorting to large scale fights or Kage Bunshin.


Kabuto's hydrification is actually better, considering that it is enhanced with sage chakra. I think that's obvious. Even if it's partially, all physical attacks go through him. Also, Kabuto can just shunshin out of the range of BD's.

Kabuto doesn't sport Shunshin with that range, and yet again, Your speculating.Kabuto hasn't shown to use full Hydrapgication and even if he could it wouldn't matter. Hard hitting attacks hurt him the same way they hurt Suigetsu.


If Amaterasu hits Naruto then Naruto lost. It might not hurt the cloak, but when BM is over, Naruto will die.

It won't hit Naruto. After BM is over he still has RM which escapes Amaterasu with intel on it.

Though Naruto and Madara will end the fight before the 8 minutes are up.

Jins, Bijuu, I think you know what I meant. He can control the paths.

I simply stated he couldn't control the Bijuu, and you Refuted that.

Rasengan planet was so weak that it didn't even put Muu through the reforming phase.

What an outright lie. Kabuto even states and Muu is regenerating and still isn't done after they had time to fight the entire fight with the 2nd Mizukage.
 
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