Nah I don't think so. A kunai marked with a paper seal will be get burned in an instant. What good does teleporting in a wall of enton do for Minato. As for Sasukes stamina inside Susanoo, I hardly doubt thats a problem. Sasuke hasn't had a problem with stamina ever since unlocking his EMS. Kirin is also a factor since Sasuke can heat up the atmosphere no problem now that he can spam Amaterasu.
Summons are of no use. Susanoo with legs and enton blade fodderize Gambunta or Sasuke can use aoda and hawk summons to give Minato enough trouble. Amaterasu is sped up if the user focuses on the target.
Connected to his chakra is another way of saying he needs to touch them or else Minato would teleported the tree by just throwing a kunai at it. Or he would have teleported Naruto and Sasuke with just a kunai in the vincinity.
Teleporting Susanoo away by touching it... Doubtful because either the user will follow with Susanoo. There is nothing really else to prove otherwise going by what happened in the manga.
Also Susanoo is capable of jumping at enormous heights and has great mobility with legs. Even if he teleports it what we will he do if Sasuke is still in control. Get burned for teleporting?
Also "establishing why Minato still defeats Sasuke".
When have they fought each other for minato to still be able to defeat sasuke.
Regardless *yawn*. All you have done is created a biased scenario with misconceptions to favour Minato, nothing impressive. Anybody can do that.
this thread shouldnt be created becoz everyone knows that minato farr greater than Sasuke because SASuke with taka had been killed twice times by killer bee
but minato solos Raikage and Killer bee
if jugo marked by minato and killed by minato then only EMS sasuke left
EMS sasuke have a susanoo with legs becoz of naruto cloak chakra.....
Also "establishing why Minato still defeats Sasuke".
When have they fought each other for minato to still be able to defeat sasuke.
Regardless *yawn*. All you have done is created a biased scenario with misconceptions to favour Minato, nothing impressive. Anybody can do that.
this thread shouldnt be created becoz everyone knows that minato farr greater than Sasuke because SASuke with taka had been killed twice times by killer bee
but minato solos Raikage and Killer bee
if jugo marked by minato and killed by minato then only EMS sasuke left
EMS sasuke have a susanoo with legs becoz of naruto cloak chakra.....
Also I don't it is correct to say Minato is stronger, but he has the neccesary skills to defeat Sasuke. Sasuke is way more powerful from a sheer firepower standpoint.
A simple usage of his Amaterasu ends that fight. Lol
Especially if Sasuke has knowledge over his FTG Minato can't do anything against his enton manipulation around him. U_U
We've already seen that Minato can FTG away after being hit by a Rasenshuriken-enhanced Kagutsuchi without the flames sticking to him. What makes you think he couldn't teleport away from a normal Amaterasu?
There is no paper on the kunais. The marking is on the thin part of Minato's special kunai(i think the viz confirms it), and even if it was the case, it's not as if Minato can't put markings with his hands on normal kunais or whatever material and throw them on Sasuke and thus avoiding the problem. I also never said Minato would teleport in a wall of enton.
I said Minato would teleport the wall of enton elsewhere(alongside Susanoo) when it connects with chakra-kunai connection and thus leaving Sasuke open. Kirin isn't a problem at all, not only because it would never hit a teleporter, but Minato could redirect it back to him by puting a barrier. EMS doesn't mean Sasuke's chakra is infinite. Just maintaining Susanoo all the time takes chakra. It's for that reason that even currently, you don't see him maintaining Susanoo when he doesn't need to
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Minato can't teleport a wall of enton just by throwing kunai at it. He needs to gather chakra for something like that and in order to do that he needs to be standing still leaving himself vulnerable. Minato isn't gathering time to perform a barrier when lightning is heading towards him above his head. Sasuke gave off his technique to Itachi. Without showgoating Sasuke can send the technique from the air without warning. Granted if Sasuke gets rid of all of Minato's kunai which shouldn't be a probelm Minato is done.
Maintaining Susanoo doesn't take as much chakra as you think. Sasuke aganized that it takes a toll on your body rather than chakra. Sasuke has never ran out of chakra from using Susanoo. FTG itself takes chakra it doesn't mean Minato will run out before Sasuke or vice versa.
A Gamabunta alone is no use, but a teleporting Gamabunta, not at all. With a marking on Susanoo's chakra, Minato could directly use food cart destroyer on him
A teleporting Gambunta lol. How will that even work out for Minato. Gambunta is huge Minato needs to gather chakra for him. Again waste of chakra when Sasuke can 1 shot.
Not really. Connected to his chakra means he can teleport everything that touches his chakra exactly like his clone teleported his original(who has his chakra) without touching him, exactly like he teleported entire alliance shinobi without touching them directly
I do believe he can since like i've said he can decide what to teleport when something is connected to his chakra, so if he connects with Susanoo, which is itself connected with the Susanoo user or not, he can decide to teleport either of them like he decided to teleport Sasuke and Naruto only ignoring Obito who was also indirectly connected, but it's true it's only an hypothese
Like i've said, he can use continous attacks on it(Double Rasengan or Odama, Food Cart destroyer and so on). He can also send a clone. Despite the great mobility you mention he isn't escaping the moment Minato puts a marking on him
Minato touched Naruto, who touched others with his chakra. If Minato or a clone isn't touching Sasuke he won't teleport him. Simple as that.
I believe because Susanoo and the user is one chakra entity they are connected as one. When Minato chooses who/what to teleport it's based on chakra signature. Thus teleporting both Susanoo and himself. Even so Minato needs to gather chakra for large objects like Susanoo. Continous attacks aren't getting through Susanoo rather wasting his chakra. Susanoo can also be dispersed and manifested once deleting Minato's chakra signature onto Susanoo.
Minato has long been surpassed. Kishi had to bring him back with the nine tails to make him relevant.
regardless Sasuke will win against alive Minato. Unless you have an argument to make step off son.
First of all it is erroneous of you to use Ei's physical prowess both breaching Susanoo's defences and Amaterasu as a means to say a single Kunai could behave similarly. The metallic portions of the kunai may not instantaneously disintegrated by Amaterasu as you've stated but it's heat which was responsible for re-adjusting an entire cave as well as the said shinobi wearing armour to experience excruciating pain would be more than sufficient to evaporate the jutsu shiki. Susano'o cannot be tagged as though it may enter the physical realm; it is ethereal and may become so [in entirety or specific portions] to avoid physical contact, to be noted also that at the users will it evaporates out of existence. Your entire argument is founded upon biased scenario's, notably lowering it's credibility.
Minato has long been surpassed. Kishi had to bring him back with the nine tails to make him relevant. regardless Sasuke will win against alive Minato. Unless you have an argument to make step off son.
I am arguing that alive Minato (no Kurama) could beat current Sasuke.
I believe the OP has presented enough evidence to show that it is possible. I don't fully agree with everything that he said, but overall Minato has the necessary skills to be able to defeat Sasuke.
I am not saying that Sasuke cannot beat Minato though. Every battle depends on the setting, intent of the opponents, the element of surprise, knowledge of each others' abilities, overall intelligence, tactical abilities, etc.
With all this in mind, I would say Minato wins 7/10 times.
I am arguing that alive Minato (no Kurama) could beat current Sasuke.
I believe the OP has presented enough evidence to show that it is possible. I don't fully agree with everything that he said, but overall Minato has the necessary skills to be able to defeat Sasuke.
I am not saying that Sasuke cannot beat Minato though. Every battle depends on the setting, intent of the opponents, the element of surprise, knowledge of each others' abilities, overall intelligence, tactical abilities, etc.
With all this in mind, I would say Minato wins 7/10 times.
Yes step off. You're not doing anything, but wanking the OP. I'm here to debate against it logically. If don't have a counter argument then what purpose do you have here except the bold.
Minato can't teleport a wall of enton just by throwing kunai at it. He needs to gather chakra for something like that and in order to do that he needs to be standing still leaving himself vulnerable.
Not really. Look again. He teleported his original in an instant
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Like when he saved Sasuke and Naruto. Notice that Juubito's chakra orbs crushed him in an instant(bottom left panel), so the process is really fast
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On this pic the same orb that crushed Hiruzen on the pic above in an instant was already close to Sasuke's and Naruto's head
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Yet the instant Naruto touched both him and Sasuke, Minato teleported them to safety
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It doesn't take time at all
Minato isn't gathering time to perform a barrier when lightning is heading towards him above his head. Sasuke gave off his technique to Itachi. Without showgoating Sasuke can send the technique from the air without warning. Granted if Sasuke gets rid of all of Minato's kunai which shouldn't be a probelm Minato is done.
How exactly does Sasuke gets rid of the kunais when the markings have been stated to never disappear? I'm not saying Minato would put the barrier the moment Sasuke uses Kirin. I'm saying he would put the barrier before it. From that moment, everything that comes it would be warped away. The barrier has shown to be quite huge. It even warped Juubi's Bijuudamas
Maintaining Susanoo doesn't take as much chakra as you think. Sasuke aganized that it takes a toll on your body rather than chakra. Sasuke has never ran out of chakra from using Susanoo. FTG itself takes chakra it doesn't mean Minato will run out before Sasuke or vice versa.
Well either way, it's still risky for him to use it continously. Like i've said, you can see it even in the current fight. Sasuke isn't using Susanoo all the time. It would be a useless waste of chakra or stamina. The difference between that and FTG is that throwing kunais or puting markings doesn't cost chakra to Minato. With kunais around the area the opponent would always have to pay attention on them, Sasuke would put a shield just to avoid a blitz when Minato would use no chakra at all, only when it's needed
A teleporting Gambunta lol. How will that even work out for Minato. Gambunta is huge Minato needs to gather chakra for him. Again waste of chakra when Sasuke can 1 shot.
You said it yourself, Naruto touched others which allowed Minato's chakra to connect and teleport them. It's the same principe with chakra kunai. His chakra kunai makes the indirect connection allowing him to teleport without taking risks.
I believe because Susanoo and the user is one chakra entity they are connected as one. When Minato chooses who/what to teleport it's based on chakra signature. Thus teleporting both Susanoo and himself. Even so Minato needs to gather chakra for large objects like Susanoo. Continous attacks aren't getting through Susanoo rather wasting his chakra. Susanoo can also be dispersed and manifested once deleting Minato's chakra signature onto Susanoo.
Chakra signature? Not really sure about it, but i guess we can't tell for sure
Minato has long been surpassed. Kishi had to bring him back with the nine tails to make him relevant.
regardless Sasuke will win. Unless you have an argument to make step off son.
He gave him Kyubi's chakra, yet not only he barely uses it but he restrict him from using ninjutsu by removing one of his arms. That's a nerf. There is still his long ass jutsu that we've yet to see. I think Kishi is planning something on it(maybe when Minato would get his arm back), otherwise the hype around it would not make sense
Yes step off. You're not doing anything, but wanking the OP. I'm here to debate against it logically. If don't have a counter argument then what purpose do you have here except the bold.
Minato can't even harm Sasuke, the Rasengan isn't even passing through Susanoo's ribcage. With Susanoo covered in Amaterasu, he won't even be able to touch Susanoo. All summons are one shotted with Blaze Release as well and couldn't harm upper stages anyway. If the Susanoo is cloaked with Amaterasu, any physical contact will end deadly for the frogs. Even if Minato managed to teleport Sasuke's Susanoo somehow away to a location we don't even know if Minato has placed Kunais there, he still isn't defeated. That's the problem for Minato. Sasuke however covers the bulk of the battlefield and his Susanoo with Amaterasu, can prepare a mountain busting Kirin to send it right into the middle of the battlefield, can cast powerful Genjutsu and has a hawk summon to fly out of range while covering the whole battlefield in Amaterasu with the maximum of Enton. Even Itachi produced enough flames to encompass half of the forest that surrounded the Uchiha palace with the only usage of his Amaterasu. Minato can do nothing to give Sasuke the fatal blow.
I wasn't making the "gathering of chakra" point for instances like those. I agree people can be teleported rather fast even though granted KM gives a boost to Minatos abilities. What I was reffering to was large objects like Gambunta/Susanoo because Minato needed the Kyuubi to held down so he can gather chakra to teleport it.
How exactly does Sasuke gets rid of the kunais when the markings have been stated to never disappear? I'm not saying Minato would put the barrier the moment Sasuke uses Kirin. I'm saying he would put the barrier before it. From that moment, everything that comes it would be warped away. The barrier has shown to be quite huge. It even warped Juubi's Bijuudamas
Burn them down with Enton. Susanoo is capable of shaping enton into anything. Small enton tomos is enough to burn most of Minatos kunai's. Unless Minato is making use of a kunai cloning jutsu with his seals which I don't think is possible. He will eventually run out. I know if that happens he can make seals on the floor but Sasuke can read those seals with his sharigan. With that analyzed a counter attack could be evident.
Minato won't know when Kirin is coming. He doesn't have any info such a technique exists. I don't remember S/T barrier working in that manner as well. Care to elaborate?
Well either way, it's still risky for him to use it continously. Like i've said, you can see it even in the current fight. Sasuke isn't using Susanoo all the time. It would be a useless waste of chakra or stamina. The difference between that and FTG is that throwing kunais or puting markings doesn't cost chakra to Minato. With kunais around the area the opponent would always have to pay attention on them, Sasuke would put a shield just to avoid a blitz when Minato would use no chakra at all, only when it's needed
You overestimate those kunais when they can get rid of rather easily.
Just take an example with how Minato blitzed Kyubi. It's basically something similar that could happen
You said it yourself, Naruto touched others which allowed Minato's chakra to connect and teleport them. It's the same principe with chakra kunai. His chakra kunai makes the indirect connection allowing him to teleport without taking risks.
Chakra signature? Not really sure about it, but i guess we can't tell for sure
He gave him Kyubi's chakra, yet not only he barely uses it but he restrict him from using ninjutsu by removing one of his arms. That's a nerf. There is still his long ass jutsu that we've yet to see. I think Kishi is planning something on it(maybe when Minato would get his arm back), otherwise the hype around it would not make sense
All of that takes time to gather chakra. If Minato wanted to teleport something with his kunai he would have to gather chakra into that kunai. What will he be teleporting a wall of flame into a different location he placed another kunai? All of that would have no effect when Sasuke can control it regardless and it's wasting chakra.
Sigh then what is your point on replying to me rather than up your post count. Forum games is a nice place for that. It's obvious anyone can beat anyone. Hell TenTen can beat Hashirama with a kunai. This is not what this thread is about is it?
Minato can't even harm Sasuke, the Rasengan isn't even passing through Susanoo's ribcage. With Susanoo covered in Amaterasu, he won't even be able to touch Susanoo. All summons are one shotted with Blaze Release as well and couldn't harm upper stages anyway. If the Susanoo is cloaked with Amaterasu, any physical contact will end deadly for the frogs. Even if Minato managed to teleport Sasuke's Susanoo somehow away to a location we don't even know if Minato has placed Kunais there, he still isn't defeated. That's the problem for Minato. Sasuke however covers the majority of the battlefield and his Susanoo with Amaterasu, can prepare a mountain busting Kirin to send it right into the middle of the battlefield, can cast powerful Genjutsu and has a hawk summon to fly out of range while covering the whole battlefield in Amaterasu with the maximum of Enton. Even Itachi produced enough flames to encompass half of the forest that surrounded the Uchiha palace with the only usage of his Amaterasu. Minato can do nothing to give Sasuke the fatal blow.
Raikage broke Sasuke's ribcage without even trying with his punch.
Minato's rasengan leveled up an entire battlefield:
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So thanks for the laugh. Amaterasu/Enton isn't doing a thing against a FTG user(look OP), and with clones it's even more useless. His clones can perform FTG to warp his shit away. Amaterasu is chakra based. Since the flames is one entity when it's used, it's warped away(maybe even on Sasuke himself if he has the marking). The toad aren't getting hit when Minato can teleport them or can put a barrier. With partners, genjutsu is also useless. Clones makes it useless as well. Frog song and Frog genjutsu makes also Susanoo useless. A teleporting Gamabunta ends him with Food cart destroyer
Sigh then what is your point on replying to me rather than up your post count. Forum games is a nice place for that. It's obvious anyone can beat anyone. Hell TenTen can beat Hashirama with a kunai. This is not what this thread is about is it?
@Bold -> technically, yes, but you completely glossed over my point <__<
As I said before, every battle depends on the setting, intent of the opponents, the element of surprise, knowledge of each others' abilities, overall intelligence, tactical abilities, etc.
I believe Minato's intelligence, speed, and tactical abilities are enough to overcome Sasuke's massive firepower. That doesn't mean he would win in every situation, but I still say he'd win 7/10 times.
