Let me put it this way, when as the series goes on, and the characters get stronger, they can beat enemies they previously couldn't, making this line of thought obsolete.
Let me put it this way, when as the series goes on, and the characters get stronger, they can beat enemies they previously couldn't, making this line of thought obsolete.
Hmm not really, when it comes to acquiring the ultimate power set in that universe then the "when as the series goes on, and the characters get stronger" doesn't really apply here.
Madara received the ultimate (Juubi) power as a whole, Naruto and Sasuke each got a piece from the Sage. None of them trained to gain that power and cannot/don't have the means to increase it unless they acquire more power from another outside source.
This isn't "Kurama/Naruto power growth" through their connection.
Hmm not really, when it comes to acquiring the ultimate power set in that universe then the "when as the series goes on, and the characters get stronger" doesn't really apply here.
You just killed your own argument. Kaguya is the ultimate power, not the juubi or Hagoromo.
Madara received the ultimate (Juubi) power as a whole, Naruto and Sasuke each got a piece from the Sage. None of them trained to gain that power and cannot/don't have the means to increase it unless they acquire more power from another outside source.
A rule that is completely made up by you, and not the author. They did train to improve it, and they did increase the power. This is irrefutable. Therefore, your reasoning does not work at all.
You just killed your own argument. Kaguya is the ultimate power, not the juubi or Hagoromo.
A rule that is completely made up by you, and not the author. They did train, and they did increase the power. This is irrefutable. Therefore, your reasoning does not work at all.
What ?? I killed my own argument because i said Madara acquired the ultimate power, the Juubi ?? "Kaguya" is the ultimate power ?? She's a CHARACTER who ate the holly fruit, cannot be absorbed for power. I guess you were trying to say Kaguya HAS the previous ultimate power, but that's something that cannot be undone (no one can acquire it again).
As for the logic you don't like lol it was the final battle, the final ultimate power up (outside source) and no one stronger could exist in that universe. That's why i said "as the series goes on, and the characters get stronger" logic doesn't apply here. Please enlighten me on how exactly can they increase the power of the blessings of Hagoromo ?? Without an outside source, especially since you're claiming they individually became stronger than Madara (that's a massive increase).
What ?? I killed my own argument because i said Madara acquired the ultimate power, the Juubi ?? "Kaguya" is the ultimate power ?? She's a CHARACTER who ate the holly fruit, cannot be absorbed for power. I guess you were trying to say Kaguya HAS the previous ultimate power, but that's something that cannot be undone (no one can acquire it again).
So this part of the post is arguing with terminology. Now I'm pretty sure you're trying to get a rile out of me.
As for the logic you don't like lol it was the final battle, the final ultimate power up (outside source) and no one stronger could exist in that universe. That's why i said "when as the series goes on, and the characters get stronger" logic doesn't apply here. Please enlighten me on how exactly can they increase the power of the blessings of Hagoromo ?? Without an outside source, especially since you're claiming they became stronger than Madara (that's a massive increase).
It was not the final battle. This is like arguing with someone saying Goku VS Frieza was the final battle of DBZ. There are stronger people in the verse, aka, Kaguya, Hagoromo, and Haruma, so don't treat Madara like he's the pinnacle. Madara's an imitator of the pinnacle, not the pinnacle itself. I don't see how you didn't realize that they did get a power increase. Sigh.
Naruto has full Kurama. That was an outside source, so you are wrong with that alone. There's also techniques that Naruto has used to greatly increase his power that Madara does not have (Ashura Avatar). Also, Naruto blasting through a moon-busting technique certainly does count as "a massive power increase."
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What's this? Sasuke having a limit that he surpassed later?! This clearly shows that their abilities can be increased through training, and are not stagnant like you claim.
the only meaningful source of information says that at the absolute height of Madara's ability, his power was second only to Kaguya's. Just because the 2 of them learned a few new tricks using the chakra they already had, it doesn't somehow prove they were stronger than someone who possessed the chakra reserves to be considered immortal.
Supporters of this argument always fail to realize that claiming either one of them were stronger than Madara means the exact same thing as saying they are immortal. And last time i checked, they were still physically aging. The thing that definitely takes away from your argument is that you're giving Sasuke feats he hasn't even been seen performing yet, so i don't see any establishing being done.
At the moment, based on pure feats, I think Sasuke has the better chance to beat Madara. For one, the recent Boruto spoilers show his Susano'o currently has matched up to his Bijuu PS in shape and likely size. Mastery of the Rin'negan, increased distance with his Amenotejikara that he gained over time and the ability to switch dimensions? There's not much Madara can do. Physically due to manifesting different parts of PS at his disposal and the ability to see the Limbo, I don't see why Sasuke could not easily take them out. That's his one bet to actually beat Sasuke. His current PS (basically Bijuu PS) is more than enough to consistently pressure Madara and it completely neuters any Deva ability (tanks ST, Bansho Tenin would pull Sasuke and his Susano'o, and CT is easily carved up). Assuming he can channel his own chakra for Indra's arrow, then it's done. Sasuke puts Madara on the defensive with his superior speed and Susano'o and then proceeds to nuke him with Indra's Arrow. Madara will be weakened and open to another Amenotejikara blitz followed up by a Human Path soul pull, which effectively ends Madara.
For Naruto it's simply if he can activate his manga RSM anymore. Full Kurama RSM is more than enough considering that's literally twice the chakra from before, his Ashura's Avatar gets bigger and he can master all the Bijuu KKG.
You can basically grasp the mentality of most Madara fans here - posting memes and irrelevant one-liners to ''counter'' a thread with actual arguments. Lmao. Can't say I'm surprised, though.
Nice thread. I basically put Naruto and Sasuke above Madara after their VoTE performance, but Gaiden Naruto and Sasuke definitely win more times than not.
As for limbo, even assuming that Madara's limbos can use PS, and even if they can pose a threat to Sasuke (which is unlikely given the difference in chakra), Sasuke has recently shown shadow clone jutsu. It was always within the rank of the sharingan's copy ability, so Sasuke most likely had this, but never used it out of preference (like Madara). When it comes down to it, if Madara uses clones and PS, so will Sasuke.
Madara curb stomps both fodders it took hashirama (and possibly other senju) 24 hours to wear down Madara after he aquired ems. Ems madara curb stomps the 2 fodders even with there power ups it's only kishi and his arsepullitis disease which beats madara. If you scale powers blind madara can beat both fodders 1 rinnegan madara beat both with handout powers they should have been above 1 rinnegan madara with 2 rinnegan madara should have arse raped them. Especially since he was a jyubi jin added onto that.
It's arsepullitis they were shall and always be pathetic in front of madara.
So this part of the post is arguing with terminology. Now I'm pretty sure you're trying to get a rile out of me.
It was not the final battle. This is like arguing with someone saying Goku VS Frieza was the final battle of DBZ. There are stronger people in the verse, aka, Kaguya, Hagoromo, and Haruma, so don't treat Madara like he's the pinnacle. Madara's an imitator of the pinnacle, not the pinnacle itself. I don't see how you didn't realize that they did get a power increase. Sigh.
Naruto has full Kurama. That was an outside source, so you are wrong with that alone. There's also techniques that Naruto has used to greatly increase his power that Madara does not have (Ashura Avatar). Also, Naruto blasting through a moon-busting technique certainly does count as "a massive power increase."
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What's this? Sasuke having a limit that he surpassed later?! This clearly shows that their abilities can be increased through training, and are not stagnant like you claim.
Maybe i'v been away from the base for too long (you guys became really jumpy), but you were the one who said i "killed my own argument" because i called the Juubi the ultimate power (which is the case after what Kaguya did), also i mentioned Kurama in a previous post and how their connection was a factor (not the case with latest power power-up).
In any case, becoming more proficient in using their acquired power is still not enough and i don't see the "massive power increase" you're claiming from what they were previously capable off (not nearly enough to reach the power of Juubi's host). Naruto left the realm of efficient "training" a long time ago (they only train to become more proficient with what they were handed/not a big difference). That Frieza comparison though was way off, different setting/larger universe full of possibilities. The history/origin of the Naruto verse doesn't allow for such a thing (already settled).
Trying to get "a rile out of" you ....... really dude ?? You call your self a sennin of logic and that's how you respond ......
