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Establishing why: Kisame > Itachi

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Kisame Hoshigaki

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Itachi Uchiha

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How Kisame would overcome Itachi in a 1v1 battle?​

Countering 3T Itachi's Arsenal​

Of course, Itachi wouldn't most likely start using the Mangekyō Sharingan right off the bat so Kisame would have to counter his 3T arsenal first and now, let's look at his 3T arsenal;

- Katon
- Utakata [Commonly known as the Finger Genjutsu]
- Dusk Crow Genjutsu
- Sharingan Genjutsu
- Magen Genjutsu [Commonly known as the Demonic Illusion Genjutsu]
- Suiton
- Kuchiyose: Karasu
- Karasu Bunshin
- Bunshin Daibakuha [Commonly known as the Clone Great Explosion]
- Kage Bunshin

I'll start off by countering Itachi's Katon and Suiton affinity. Althought they might be dangerous in some situations, they can be easily countered by someone like Kisame. His Katon would be countered by
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. As for Itachi's Suiton,
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Itachi's nature affinites are useless here so I'll move on to countering Itachi's Genjutsu such as the Utakata, Dusk Crow Genjutsu, etc. Kisame has a simple way of countering all of these Genjutsu; Fighting Itachi by looking at his feet of course. Kisame is Itachi's partner so he knows how good Itachi is at Genjutsu. He clearly would not look into Itachi's eyes. Even if he does get caught in a Genjutsu, Samehada can simply disrupt his Chakra flow and break him out of it. Samehada is
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so it shouldn't have trouble breaking Itachi out of a Genjutsu.

Of course, if Kisame wants to make sure that he avoids eye contact with Itachi, he could simply use his Suiton: Bakusui Shōha technique which
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. After he does so, all he needs to do is go underwater and keep on attacking from there. Since he would be underwater, Itachi won't be capable of making direct eye contact with Kisame.

Kisame going underwater in his fight against Team Gai in order to avoid their attack
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With his 3T Genjutsu being ineffective against Kisame, his only chance left are his clones. However, Itachi hasn't shown the ability to make more than one or two clones at a time while
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. Furthermore, these Mizu Bunshin are far more superior to Itachi's Bunshin. Why? Because each of these Bunshin get a copy of Samehada which possesses the same abilities the original Samehada has. Now before someone says how he can't, let me explain. First off, let's take a look at
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. ''"The body borne of water completely endowed with the user's abilities!" This is the first evidence that implies that the Samehada copy can absorb Chakra just like the original Samehada. The second piece of evidence is that
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. Furthermore this copy of Samehada has shown to have the exact same ability the original Samehada has such as
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. And to completely prove this claim, Zabuza shown us that a sword with unique abilites can be copied along with the Mizu Bunshin.

Zabuza's Sword being copied along with the Mizu Bunshin
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With that being said, the Mizu Bunshin will use their own copy of Samehada to absorb Chakra from Itachi's Bunshin.



Countering the Mangekyō Sharingan​

Since a 3T Itachi wouldn't really be capable of taking down Kisame, he'll have to use his Mangekyō Sharingan which can be countered by Kisame, but firstly let's look at what techniques does the Mangekyō Sharingan possess:

- Tsukuyomi
- Amaterasu
- Susano'o
- Totsuka Blade
- Yata Mirror
- Yasaka Magatama


I'll start off by countering Itachi's Tsukuyomi. First of all, keep in mind that Kisame has knowledge on Tsukuyomi so he won't be so stupid to make direct eye contact with Itachi and get caught. However, there is a way for Kisame to counter the Tsukuyomi. Once he sees Itachi activating the Mangekyō Sharingan, the most logical thing to do would be activating the Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha
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. There
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. Once this happens, Itachi will not be capable of using Tsukuyomi on Kisame anymore due to a simple reason. In his battle against Sasuke, we have seen that Itachi's eye sight was so bad that
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. Bee said that
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due to the fact that there was simply too much water. In other words, Itachi who's eye sight is extremely bad, won't be able to make eye contact or keep up with Kisame at all.

Kisame knows not to look into Itachi's eyes
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Now, I'll move onto Amaterasu. Oh well, I'll just let my boi Kaaant explain this.

Kaaant said:
Misconception: Samehada can't absorb Amaterasu.

I'd like to attempt to convince the members of Naruto base of the futility of Amaterasu being used as an offensive method against Samehada.

1.) Samehada vs Katon techniques.


First off, I'd like to clarify that many seem to be convinced that Samehada is somehow unable to absorb Katon techniques. This is a falsity as it
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, many people believe that due to this slide -
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that Samehada is now somehow unable or incapable in absorbing it. This is simply untrue, is the heat produced by a Katon technique is enough to have a negative effect on Samehada? Sure, but it is still altogether capable of absorbing Katon techniques regardless.

People give that slide far too much credit, it is the intense heat produced by the Katon itself that has such an adverse effect; not to mention the fact that
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, in fact Katon appears to simply be an irritant that it would rather avoid in a fight, another example is when Bee attempted to block another of Itachi's Katon techniques -
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with no permenant damage.


Now, for the sake of fairness, I'm sure many would argue that several Katon attacks in quick succession would perhaps severely damage Samehada - which to me is unlikely. None-the-less, I will offer a counter to this.

2.) Samehada's regenerative capabilities.


Samehada and it's wielder are capable of joining together in symbiosis - Similar to the relationship between the Aburame clan and their insects: The
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. Through this method several beneficial traits are able to be exchanged between the two, most notable at the most basic level is the mutual sharing of chakra between the two; through this,
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are attained.

Now, given that Samehada is a living being, that it's the instigator of the healing technique, adding to that the fact Kisame and Samehada shared their Chakra so much the their
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, it's highly probable that it can
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where it deems necessary; in case of a
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. Being a sword after all.


Now, with my counter offered, I'd like to move on to the main premise of the thread, countering Amaterasu.


The Thread's premise: Countering Amaterasu


First off, I'd like to clarify that; although it's a very powerful technique (Merely because of it's longevity.) it's actually short term lethality is actually not very significant, inferior to Katon techniques in fact. As demonstrated in the following slides.

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- Slow burning, allowing Sasuke to shed his skin.

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- This is a prime example of the slow burning rate of Amaterasu; take notice how in over six manga pages, it hasn't even burned through a Land of Iron Samurai's armor.

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- Raikage is a similar example, notice how he's not only unfazed by it, but also unaffected physically - Look at his skin.

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- This is more of a nod at how inferior it's burning capabilities are, this is more proof that it's not as "Hot as the sun" as the chemical change into glass would've occurred almost instantly.

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This is a big one, notice that after seven pages only a small potion of his arm is affected.

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- This is more of a two in one, the slow effects on both Karin and Bee.

Even if Amaterasu were to make contact whoever posses Samehada, due to its close proximity to Samehada, it is actually able to
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, not to mention it's two most noticeable owners can
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, with both having more than enough Chakra reserves in order to bump it up to size.


In conclusion, I believe that I have displayed enough proof to convince you all of Samehada's counter to Amaterasu; via listing the negative aspects of Amaterasu itself.
If all else fails, I believe that a full Samehada fusion would more than suffice if the previous attempt was unsuccessful in some form.

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(If would be interesting what would happen to Bee if he fused.)

Not to mention that Kisame's water dome passively absorbs Chakra (For Kisame.)
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With that being said, the only real threat left is Susano'o. How exactly does Kisame counter Susano'o? This will be easy since the Water Dome would already be in play. I must admit that Kisame would be unable to absorb the Susano'o due to the Yata Mirror so he'll simply have to wait until Itachi dies of Chakra exhaustion and that won't be hard at all since
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. These waves of Sharks will keep on attacking Itachi, making him keep Susano'o up the whole time until he dies of Chakra exhaustion. Now Kisame would have to worry about the Totsuka Blade and the Yasaka Magatama until Itachi runs out of Chakra. However, Kisame can counter both with ease. First of all, it will be hard for Itachi to even hit Kisame if not even impossible due to his bad eye sight, shit ton of waters and a swarm of Sharks from all sides. Basically, it's impossible for Itachi to hit him, but anyways Kisame will easily avoid the Totsuka Blaid with his underwater speed feats. He was even
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. As for Yasaka Magatama, Kisame will simply absorb it since Samehada was capable of absorbing Bee's V2 cloak.

Samehada absorbing the version 2 Hachibi cloak
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P3IN said:
AC, u never saw my post correctly
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Pain shits on both tho.

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Lol. I saw the white text. I just used your post as an excuse to post something perverted. .-.
 
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Tim Jamison said:
You got banned twice along with your unlimited alt accounts.
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He got perma banned more than once I believe. 'Dat Gwemba Kaaant.

P3IN said:
Perverted? cool son! i didnt notice
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That was mediocre, compared to what u Can actually post.
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I know, but we don't want this to turn into a porn spam thread now do we? ._.
 
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