[Establishing Why] Fuuton Rasenshuriken (SM, KCM, BM) > V2 Susanoo

[slimreaper]

Again, I don't see how any of that is suppose to mean that the needles don't pierce it by the same exact explanation that I gave above: that smaller attack does not mean anything about it having less piercing power and that the needles from the 50% powered base FRS had more penetrating power than danzou's much larger slicing fuutons.

Not only that, but susanoo didn't even tank temari's fuuton in the second scan, it leveled up while it took that blast which means any damage done to it would have been repaired.


Baku's suction didn't pull trees out of a forest they weren't fighting in, it was pulling trees that grew off the nearby cliff. Baku's main purpose was not to amplify Danzou's fuuton, but to hold sasuke and his susanoo in place so that it couldn't do anything while danzou attacked it. The suction adding power to his fuuton was a secondary feature as you can see it didn't

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So none of what you just typed refutes the much more powerful FRS destroying susanoo as the blades have been shown to have way more piercing power than kunai and much larger fuutons when the half-powered base version goes through kakuzu's whole body. Not only that but the blades are probably the sharpest thing in the manga considering

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To give you some kind of picture of how sharp that is,

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Enton surrounding susanoo won't negate FRS, it will only make it more powerful. Katons don't negate fuutons, they only get more powerful from the fuuton, he would have to fire the enton right at the FRS which results in sasuke's enton getting powered up and sent back at naruto.

they don't pierce susanoo you have no feats to suggest they do. you know why sasuke's katon wasn't enhanced? because the baku was sucking. taking oxygen from the flame would actually weaken it. however danzo's fuuton was increased because it was made faster. clearly FRS isn't on that level but you won't accept that

 

[lanakui8]

they don't pierce susanoo you have no feats to suggest they do.

The blades from a 50% power base FRS have much more piercing power than danzou's weaker fuutons. That's more than enough to pierce susanoo at least a little.

Now do you have any feats to suggest the blades DON'T pierce susanoo?

you know why sasuke's katon wasn't enhanced? because the baku was sucking. taking oxygen from the flame would actually weaken it. however danzo's fuuton was increased because it was made faster. clearly FRS isn't on that level but you won't accept that

It's literally impossible for the suction to have 'sucked the oxygen out of the katon' as the suction is simultaneously bringing in oxygen into the katon, and the manga even says

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And lol at the bolded, FRS clearly isn't on that level because it's on a higher level as show countless times by its manga feats and statements as I clearly have shown in the OP and throughout this thread.

Again, I ask you,

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[slimreaper]

The blades from a 50% power base FRS have much more piercing power than danzou's weaker fuutons. That's more than enough to pierce susanoo at least a little.

Now do you have any feats to suggest the blades DON'T pierce susanoo?


It's literally impossible for the suction to have 'sucked the oxygen out of the katon' as the suction is simultaneously bringing in oxygen into the katon, and the manga even says

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And lol at the bolded, FRS clearly isn't on that level because it's on a higher level as show countless times by its manga feats and statements as I clearly have shown in the OP and throughout this thread.

Again, I ask you,

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wrong how would a microscopic wind blade pierce a few feet of chakra that is harder than steel? is susanoo suddenly made of jello?

the manga say it was smart for sasuke to use the baku's suction because it was a guaranteed hit. nowhere does it say the flame was powered up. the oxygen in the air is enough to fuel the katon. if the baku was pushing more oxygen towards the flame then it would have been powered up but it wasn't.


madara's ribcage is no more durable than sasuke's given feats.

madara's tanked it

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edit: stop using feats that happen in naruto's mind. clearly that is bullshit

 

[lanakui8]

wrong how would a microscopic wind blade pierce a few feet of chakra that is harder than steel? is susanoo suddenly made of jello?

um, by being sharp, durable and hard enough to pierce chakra that is harder than steel.... Again, the size of the wind blades are irrelevant as they have more penetrating power than stuff that are much larger than itself.

the manga say it was smart for sasuke to use the baku's suction because it was a guaranteed hit. nowhere does it say the flame was powered up. the oxygen in the air is enough to fuel the katon. if the baku was pushing more oxygen towards the flame then it would have been powered up but it wasn't.

In no way shape or form did the manga even in the slightest imply that baku's suction was used as a 'guaranteed hit' as Baku's mouth is an enormous target and Sasuke has never ever missed the mark on a stationary target with a katon, especially one from only 10 meters away.
Unless you believe that there was a good chance of Sasuke missing an enormous target from an extremely close distance, the suction HAD to have been increasing the power of his flames. And that fits perfectly in line with the explanation of how a fuuton powers up a katon: by fanning the flames.

madara's ribcage is no more durable than sasuke's given feats.

madara's tanked it

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Madara's ribcage in no way shape or form tanked it. Not only was the rasengan used on madara's ribcage incomparably smaller than the one Naruto used on Kurama:

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But it Madara disrupted that rasengan before it could do its full damage or explode by leveling up his susanoo to a V3. Had Madara not disrupted the rasengan, it would have eaten right through his susanoo since it was shredding away at the susanoo indicated by the pieces of the susanoo that the rasengan has shredded away circled in yellow:

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Now again I'll ask, if Sasuke's ribcage takes the full force of that rasengan, what happens to it?

edit: stop using feats that happen in naruto's mind. clearly that is bullshit

If you want to claim that Naruto is incapable of doing that in real life, please show why he'd be incapable of doing it. Naruto made a normal rasengan in his mind. Does that mean he's incapable of making a normal rasengan in real life?

 

[slimreaper]

um, by being sharp, durable and hard enough to pierce chakra that is harder than steel.... Again, the size of the wind blades are irrelevant as they have more penetrating power than stuff that are much larger than itself.


In no way shape or form did the manga even in the slightest imply that baku's suction was used as a 'guaranteed hit' as Baku's mouth is an enormous target and Sasuke has never ever missed the mark on a stationary target with a katon, especially one from only 10 meters away.
Unless you believe that there was a good chance of Sasuke missing an enormous target from an extremely close distance, the suction HAD to have been increasing the power of his flames. And that fits perfectly in line with the explanation of how a fuuton powers up a katon: by fanning the flames.


Madara's ribcage in no way shape or form tanked it. Not only was the rasengan used on madara's ribcage incomparably smaller than the one Naruto used on Kurama:

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But it Madara disrupted that rasengan before it could do its full damage or explode by leveling up his susanoo to a V3. Had Madara not disrupted the rasengan, it would have eaten right through his susanoo since it was shredding away at the susanoo indicated by the pieces of the susanoo that the rasengan has shredded away circled in yellow:

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Now again I'll ask, if Sasuke's ribcage takes the full force of that rasengan, what happens to it?


If you want to claim that Naruto is incapable of doing that in real life, please show why he'd be incapable of doing it. Naruto made a normal rasengan in his mind. Does that mean he's incapable of making a normal rasengan in real life?

naruto is capable of flying in his mind. does that mean he is capable of flying in real life? this feat makes all other feats void.

never once have the blades pierced something as hard as susanoo and done damage

 

[lanakui8]

naruto is capable of flying in his mind. does that mean he is capable of flying in real life? this feat makes all other feats void.

Unless you believe that naruto is incapable of using kagebunshin, using rasengan, sage mode, and Fuuton rasenshuriken in real life as well, then him flying in his mind in no way shape or form makes all of his other feats void.

never once have the blades pierced something as hard as susanoo and done damage

This is a concession on your part as I've just answered this exact same point in the post you've just quoted, thus you'd be guilty of ignoring my argument.

I'm again, still waiting for you to tell me how much a SM Chou oodama rasengan would damage ribcage susanoo.

 

[slimreaper]

Unless you believe that naruto is incapable of using kagebunshin, using rasengan, sage mode, and Fuuton rasenshuriken in real life as well, then him flying in his mind in no way shape or form makes all of his other feats void.


This is a concession on your part as I've just answered this exact same point in the post you've just quoted, thus you'd be guilty of ignoring my argument.

I'm again, still waiting for you to tell me how much a SM Chou oodama rasengan would damage ribcage susanoo.

I've shown you with feats naruto possess in life

 

[lanakui8]

I've shown you with feats naruto possess in life

you've shown me that naruto can't fly in real life. However unless you believe naruto also can't make a rasengan, kagebunshins, fuuton rasenshuriken, or enter SM in real life, then him not being able to fly in real life does not mean that everything he did in the fight with kurama are not possible in real life.

Thus if you want to argue that something in that fight was impossible, you have to give evidence for why naruto would not be able to do that in real life.

Also, since you haven't responded to any of the other points, then I'm guessing you agree with them.

 

[Icelerate]

Nice thread and all but I somewhat disagree. Base FRS isn't doing too much damage to V2 susanoo. Sage mode enhanced FRS will do significant damage and leave Sasuke with a low level ribcage susanoo defence. KM enhanced FRS can kill Sasuke even inside his V2 susanoo.

Also FRS isn't the strongest wind jutsu, chou Oodama FRS is better and IMO could even destroy V3 susanoo.

However none of this even matters since enton can stop any FRS and turn into a bigger enton which Sasuke can use against Naruto himself.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'd agree with you if frs was consistent. What I don't get it why ppl think maddy tanked cho sm frs when he was forced to petra path a regular sm frs.

 

[juzumaki]

Op: i agree with nice thread and you can stop arguing cause no matter what you say they'll deny it cause it against their fav character the thing you said about him cutting the tail was obvious but they still deny because its the most solid proof you could use to back your points up.

 

[lanakui8]

Nice thread and all but I somewhat disagree. Base FRS isn't doing too much damage to V2 susanoo. Sage mode enhanced FRS will do significant damage and leave Sasuke with a low level ribcage susanoo defence. KM enhanced FRS can kill Sasuke even inside his V2 susanoo.

Also FRS isn't the strongest wind jutsu, chou Oodama FRS is better and IMO could even destroy V3 susanoo.

However none of this even matters since enton can stop any FRS and turn into a bigger enton which Sasuke can use against Naruto himself.

An understandable stance. I'd like to know though why you think a KCM FRS is much stronger than the SM version? I definitely think the BM version is stronger than SM, but KCM seemed like it wasn't much stronger.

I'd agree with you if frs was consistent. What I don't get it why ppl think maddy tanked cho sm frs when he was forced to petra path a regular sm frs.

personally, I don't really see the inconsistencies in the jutsu but that's just me. I think, and you might feel the same way, that they say he tanked it to just downplay the technique.

Op: i agree with nice thread and you can stop arguing cause no matter what you say they'll deny it cause it against their fav character the thing you said about him cutting the tail was obvious but they still deny because its the most solid proof you could use to back your points up.

thank you for the support. I personally don't understand why FRS busting this version of susanoo is even downplay on susanoo when I've said it takes 27 mountain hollowers, a mountain+ level explosion or an attack that can cut what a bijuudama + combined giant slicer fuutons/chakra blades couldn't to bust it.

 

[VolatileSoul]

I'd agree with you if frs was consistent. What I don't get it why ppl think maddy tanked cho sm frs when he was forced to petra path a regular sm frs.

Hashirama's wood dragon prevented Madara from using any Ninjutsu, preta path included. He had to tank it the old fashioned way.

 

[lanakui8]

Hashirama's wood dragon prevented Madara from using any Ninjutsu, preta path included. He had to tank it the old fashioned way.

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He even is forced to use susanoo

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He's not even super durable as he gets kicked in half by cloaked lee and with his living body stabbed right through by sasuke's sword.

He couldn't have tanked SM Chou oodama FRS if he has to absorb, block, and takes lethal damage from incomparably weaker attacks than a normal FRS. What likely happened is he immediately activated preta path or super giant susanoo once FRS destroyed the dragons that surrounded him. Or he simply increased his chakra output beyond the rate at which the dragons could drain him.

 

[Champ]

Enton surrounding susanoo won't negate FRS, it will only make it more powerful. Katons don't negate fuutons, they only get more powerful from the fuuton, he would have to fire the enton right at the FRS which results in sasuke's enton getting powered up and sent back at naruto.

Enton does negate Rasen shuriken, proof of that is the Enton arrow consuming RS. You're right it will make Enton more powerful by adding extra flames Sasuke can manipulate and throw off his Susano'o like he did against Gaara.

 

[juzumaki]

Enton does negate Rasen shuriken, proof of that is the Enton arrow consuming RS. You're right it will make Enton more powerful by adding extra flames Sasuke can manipulate and throw off his Susano'o like he did against Gaara.

still doesnt stop RS momentum

 

[ARGUS]

great thread man,
though i already agreed with this,
the only difference is that the susanoo u are analysing is infact V3 legless susanoo,
this is V2 Susanoo

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therefore ur point is emphasised even more,