[Establishing Why] Fuuton Rasenshuriken (SM, KCM, BM) > V2 Susanoo

[KidGamer65]

Base FRS> Danzou's baku-powered fuuton

The above quote is how I know this thread can't be taken seriously, cause only an idiot would say that the FRS that failed to kill Kakuzu is strong enough to bust through Susanoo. Most of the shit you posted is irrelevant as it was either unnoteworthy feats or plain wank via hype.

-You didn't prove that FRS>Baku Fuuton with feats, you proved it with hype from Temari of all people, who doesn't have the intel to say FRS is the strongest Fuuton. Especially when she just said its a very strong Fuuton.

-Kurama wasn't incapacitated by FRS. Do you even know what that means?

-FRS never cut the Juubi's tails, I don't know if you fanboys are just blind, but everyone can clearly see the giant bird the alliance made to cut through the Juubi's tails. This Naruto cut through the Juubi's tails with FRS makes no damn sense. Did you even stop to realize that an FRS that small can't make a cut that wide? We see the bird's beak and wings cut through in that scan and anything else is nothing but a fan's misinterpretation of manga fact.

FRS couldn't even cut through or do any significant damage to the 3rd Raikage and you think its obliterating a V3 Susanoo? (V2 for your thread) Haha, no.

 

[lanakui8]

1. You do know Naruto and SA were from the side of the Juubi tail... If we look at a different angle, SA passes the one you claim Naruto cut[

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It doesn't seem that way to me, it seems like naruto, the tip of the bird, went right through the tail. However the stance that naruto merely passed on the side of the tail is an impossible one since Naruto starts out with 2 FRS, shoves the one in his right hand forward, then we see the juubi's tail cut, and then we see

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The only possible explanation is that naruto (being at the tip) sliced through the tail with his FRS and that either the bird didn't fly in a straight line, or it's just kishi not being perfectly consistent with the positioning of his artwork.

 

[Oblivionx]

good thread bro...! naruto haters won't admit it but there is no way v2 susano is standing against FRS....!

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It doesn't seem that way to me, it seems like naruto, the tip of the bird, went right through the tail. However the stance that naruto merely passed on the side of the tail is an impossible one since Naruto starts out with 2 FRS, shoves the one in his right hand forward, then we see the juubi's tail cut, and then we see

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The only possible explanation is that naruto (being at the tip) sliced through the tail with his FRS and that either the bird didn't fly in a straight line, or it's just kishi not being perfectly consistent with the positioning of his artwork.

It doesn't seem that way since when Kishi drew them being cut, it literally looks like it is being slice through.
Naruto having one left, just showed that it had to do with one of the two that was destroyed, being part of the reason.

Since he did not look like it slice through I can't take you claim having better cutting power them Danzo's Futton.

 

[lanakui8]

Couldn't take out a defenseless edo madara. No feats suggesting it's cutting susano'o.

Unless you believe madara flat out tanked that attack, then the SM COFRS not taking out madara has nothing to do with it being able to cut susanoo or not.

"BM FRS> SM/KCM FRS>>> Base FRS> Danzou's baku-powered fuuton" This is just speculated nonsense.

I see you asserting it's 'just speculated nonsense'. What I don't see is an argument that shows why it's 'just speculated nonsense'. Thus your post is not only baseless and doesn't hold any water, but it concedes that argument since my OP goes on to explain why it's in fact not speculative nonsense thus you'd be guilty of ignoring my argument.

The above quote is how I know this thread can't be taken seriously, cause only an idiot would say that the FRS that failed to kill Kakuzu is strong enough to bust through Susanoo. Most of the shit you posted is irrelevant as it was either unnoteworthy feats or plain wank via hype.

I see you asserting:
- only an idiot would say that the FRS that failed to kill kakuzu is strong enough to bust through susanoo
- most of the s*** i posted is irrelevant and unnoteworthy feats or just plain wank via hype

however I see no arguments to back up those assertions. Thus not only are your claims baseless, but you've just conceded those points as I have backed up those with an argument in the OP.

-You didn't prove that FRS>Baku Fuuton with feats, you proved it with hype from Temari of all people, who doesn't have the intel to say FRS is the strongest Fuuton. Especially when she just said its a very strong Fuuton.

Temari is the most powerful wind user in the alliance and thus would have the foremost knowledge on powerful fuutons. In addition to that, FRS was introduced 200 chapters before yet she still says "what an increadibly powerful wind tech". Whenever a powerful attack is introduced, it gets lots of hype. Danzou's didn't get any hype at all, no statements about its power, nothing.

Not only that but I also later gave you arguments that show how powerful a FRS is compared to other attacks, attacks that blow up mountains,

-Kurama wasn't incapacitated by FRS. Do you even know what that means?

Well what is your definition of incapacitate?

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And by that definition, that's exactly what FRS did to Kurama, as the beast was so weakened it was unable to even get up for almost a full chapter.

-FRS never cut the Juubi's tails, I don't know if you fanboys are just blind, but everyone can clearly see the giant bird the alliance made to cut through the Juubi's tails. This Naruto cut through the Juubi's tails with FRS makes no damn sense. Did you even stop to realize that an FRS that small can't make a cut that wide? We see the bird's beak and wings cut through in that scan and anything else is nothing but a fan's misinterpretation of manga fact.

1) Your stance is an impossible one for the same reason I gave EjBlack: that naruto starts out with 2 FRS, he shoves one in front of him, the juubi's tails get cut, and then he's suddenly missing the one he shoved in front of him. So he had to have cut through the tails, anything else is simply kishi being inconsistent with the placing of his objects.
2) FRS is more than capable of cutting through

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FRS couldn't even cut through or do any significant damage to the 3rd Raikage and you think its obliterating a V3 Susanoo? (V2 for your thread) Haha, no.

IF Danzou's fuuton blows open the back of a V2 and FRS doesn't do significant damage to the third, then it just means the third is way more durable than susanoo since FRS is an attack levels beyond Danzou's fuuton.
In addition to that, even without his RnY activated, the third's body was given hype far beyond that of V2 susanoo when it was stated to be the

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. Naruto's FRS went up against that defense while it was amplified by RnY. V2 Susanoo never gets those kinds of statements ever.

 

[lanakui8]

It doesn't seem that way since when Kishi drew them being cut, it literally looks like it is being slice through.
Naruto having one left, just showed that it had to do with one of the two that was destroyed, being part of the reason.

I don't understand, what is your explanation for naruto shoving his FRS forward, the tails being cut, and then the FRS disappearing from his right hand?

Naruto was also at the very tip of the bird, so he had to have been the one who sliced through the tails. In addition to that

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It's a clean cut of an object that's way larger than the FRS.

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Since he did not look like it slice through I can't take you claim having better cutting power them Danzo's Futton.

Again, in order for your assertion to be true: that naruto didn't slice through the tails, you would have to believe that naruto made 2 FRS, shoved one in front of him like he was going to use it to plow through the juubi's tails, but instead of using it on the tails, he used it on air to do nothing, and then we see the tails cut and naruto's FRS in his right hand magically gone as if he used it on something.

Do you believe that is true?

 

[Strict]

It's easy. The Rasenshuriken works on a cellular level by creating countless microscopic blades. When the Sandaime Raikage's body was strong enough to tank it completely, arguing about Susanoo is bullshit.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see you asserting:
- only an idiot would say that the FRS that failed to kill kakuzu is strong enough to bust through susanoo
- most of the s*** i posted is irrelevant and unnoteworthy feats or just plain wank via hype

however I see no arguments to back up those assertions. Thus not only are your claims baseless, but you've just conceded those points as I have backed up those with an argument in the OP.

Oh? The sheer fact it couldn't even finish Kakuzu off is already evidence enough it isn't getting past V3 Susanoo. (Proper Term and I'll be using it) An attack that didn't even dismember him, it simply pierced him all over, yet its going to blow a hole in Susanoo, something much more durable than Kakuzu is? He didn't even have Domu activated since the Earth Mask was killed.

There was no argument made by you in the first place to say that any basic FRS is stronger than Danzo's Baku Fuuton, so you can't say I conceded that point, when you never bothered to provide evidence for it in the first place. Sorry pal.

Temari is the most powerful wind user in the alliance and thus would have the foremost knowledge on powerful fuutons. In addition to that, FRS was introduced 200 chapters before yet she still says "what an increadibly powerful wind tech". Whenever a powerful attack is introduced, it gets lots of hype. Danzou's didn't get any hype at all, no statements about its power, nothing.

Irrelevant. Temari being the most powerful wind user in the alliance doesn't mean she's going to know about Danzo's Fuuton, especially when it was his Fuuton boosted by Baku's suction, not a set jutsu she would recognize. The rest is irrelevant. Danzo's Fuuton (Being boosted by Baku's suction) not getting hype doesn't prove your point here.

Not only that but I also later gave you arguments that show how powerful a FRS is compared to other attacks, attacks that blow up mountains,

Well what is your definition of incapacitate?

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And by that definition, that's exactly what FRS did to Kurama, as the beast was so weakened it was unable to even get up for almost a full chapter.

A full chapter in this case isn't a long period of time as these events were happening right after each other, so your point is moot here. Kurama was never incapacitated or disabled, he was damaged and knocked off his feet.

1) Your stance is an impossible one for the same reason I gave EjBlack: that naruto starts out with 2 FRS, he shoves one in front of him, the juubi's tails get cut, and then he's suddenly missing the one he shoved in front of him. So he had to have cut through the tails, anything else is simply kishi being inconsistent with the placing of his objects.

No, he shoves one in front of him and the beak cuts through the Juubi's front tail while the wings cut through its side tails. That is exactly what is shown, not FRS cutting through it. FRS is even smaller than Naruto yet you think its going to be able to cut through 3 of the Juubi's spaced out tails? Which all reach Bijuu sizes? Lmao, please use some common sense here, Naruto is at the front of the bird, not the sides where the wings clearly cut it off, just like the beak did, FRS had no part, at all.

Kishimoto probably made a mistake drawing a second FRS in the first place, as you can clearly see that there is no 2nd FRS in the panel where he shoves his hand forward and no 2nd FRS appears again after that. The only inconsistency beside that is that it appears in the other hand on the next page.

2) FRS is more than capable of cutting through

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When it expands it reaches those sizes. FRS expanding doesn't reach Bijuu+ sizes, which would be needed to cut through its tails.

IF Danzou's fuuton blows open the back of a V2 and FRS doesn't do significant damage to the third, then it just means the third is way more durable than susanoo since FRS is an attack levels beyond Danzou's fuuton.
In addition to that, even without his RnY activated, the third's body was given hype far beyond that of V2 susanoo when it was stated to be the

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. Naruto's FRS went up against that defense while it was amplified by RnY. V2 Susanoo never gets those kinds of statements ever.

If you are just going to base your arguments on hype and statements instead of showings then I suggest you stop here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Look at Naruto with the sphere of Rasengan is facing forward. How is Naruto Rasengan going slice like what your claiming?

2. My claim is that the first FRS support the two tails in front of[

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[KidGamer65]

Look at Naruto with the sphere of Rasengan is facing forward. How is Naruto Rasengan going slice like what your claiming?

2. My claim is that the first FRS support the two tails in front of[

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]. The one remain untouch in that scan is the same one here[

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lmao, this as well. If he's holding the FRS it isn't going to slice through like it did.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I dont think its possible, tbh. and no base frs isnt stronger than danzo's fuuton.

 

[lanakui8]

It's easy. The Rasenshuriken works on a cellular level by creating countless microscopic blades. When the Sandaime Raikage's body was strong enough to tank it completely, arguing about Susanoo is bullshit.

not only did he not tank it completely but I don't see how sandaime raikage with RnY up being able to withstand that attack means Susanoo can as well. Since when has susanoo been given the hype or feats that put it above Sandaime raikage's durability?

Oh? The sheer fact it couldn't even finish Kakuzu off is already evidence enough it isn't getting past V3 Susanoo. (Proper Term and I'll be using it) An attack that didn't even dismember him, it simply pierced him all over, yet its going to blow a hole in Susanoo, something much more durable than Kakuzu is? He didn't even have Domu activated since the Earth Mask was killed.

Based on what logic is V3 susanoo pound for pound more durable than kakuzu with all of his threads out and 2 hearts? If you've read my OP, I go into lots of detail about how humans in NV are extremely durable and it takes extreme firepower to even dismember them. In addition to that, can you show me the scan where the earth mask was killed?

There was no argument made by you in the first place to say that any basic FRS is stronger than Danzo's Baku Fuuton, so you can't say I conceded that point, when you never bothered to provide evidence for it in the first place. Sorry pal.

I have clearly labeled out my argument in the OP. You saying that 'there is no argument' is not only a baseless assertion, but it's falsified by the argument being present in the OP. thus it's a concession on your part as you've ignored my argument.

Irrelevant. Temari being the most powerful wind user in the alliance doesn't mean she's going to know about Danzo's Fuuton, especially when it was his Fuuton boosted by Baku's suction, not a set jutsu she would recognize. The rest is irrelevant. Danzo's Fuuton (Being boosted by Baku's suction) not getting hype doesn't prove your point here.

Since I never claimed that temari did know about danzou's fuuton, then you would be guilty of attacking a strawman. In addition to that I explicitly showed why danzou's fuuton not getting hype does prove my point here, thus you ignoring that and simply asserting the bolded would be again a concession on your part as you're ignoring my arguments and baselessly asserting.

A full chapter in this case isn't a long period of time as these events were happening right after each other, so your point is moot here. Kurama was never incapacitated or disabled, he was damaged and knocked off his feet.

Since none of what you've just typed disagrees with the definition of 'incapacitate' that I've given, nor does it attempt to show why kurama was not 'incapacitated' after getting hit by FRS, and does not address my reasoning as to why he was incapacitated after getting hit, then again, it's a concession on your part as you are ignoring my argument and simply asserting things without evidence.

In addition to that, the main point was that FRS damaged kurama more than 27 SM chou oodama rasengans, each stated by databook to be able to hollow out a mountain, thus the attack is more powerful than 27 mountain hollowers.

No, he shoves one in front of him and the beak cuts through the Juubi's front tail while the wings cut through its side tails. That is exactly what is shown, not FRS cutting through it. FRS is even smaller than Naruto yet you think its going to be able to cut through 3 of the Juubi's spaced out tails? Which all reach Bijuu sizes? Lmao, please use some common sense here, Naruto is at the front of the bird, not the sides where the wings clearly cut it off, just like the beak did, FRS had no part, at all.

I never asserted that one FRS cut through all of the juubi's tails, only that it is capable of cutting through the tails.

Kishimoto probably made a mistake drawing a second FRS in the first place, as you can clearly see that there is no 2nd FRS in the panel where he shoves his hand forward and no 2nd FRS appears again after that. The only inconsistency beside that is that it appears in the other hand on the next page.

Well, this just shows how embarrassingly biased your own stance is that you would assert that Kishi accidentally drew Naruto not only creating 2 FRS, but he also had naruto shoving one of them forward, then the juubi's tails get cut, and then out of sheer coincidence the FRS that disappears is the one that naruto had shoved in front of himself.

When you have to assert something as embarrasingly biased as that as more plausible than kishi perhaps not drawing the positioning of his bird exactly correct, then it's pretty much you conceding the thread since you have to stoop to those kinds of claims.

When it expands it reaches those sizes. FRS expanding doesn't reach Bijuu+ sizes, which would be needed to cut through its tails.

What exactly do you base this argument on?

If you are just going to base your arguments on hype and statements instead of showings then I suggest you stop here.

It's not at all only based on hype and statements I gave you three feats that prove how powerful FRS is. in addition to that, basing an argument on hype is perfectly fine if there are no feats that contradict it. So far, I haven't seen you bring up feats that put danzou's fuuton above a FRS nor have i seen you bring up any feats that put susanoo anywhere near the durability of sandaime raikage with RnY. So as it is, the only evidence we have to rectify danzou's fuuton and FRS is hype and thus by hype FRS >>> danzou's fuuton.

 

[lanakui8]

Look at Naruto with the sphere of Rasengan is facing forward. How is Naruto Rasengan going slice like what your claiming?

the angle it's facing is irrelevant. The FRS could be perfectly flat, it wouldn't change anything as the FRS had to have sliced through the tails unless you want to be like kidgamer and assert some embarrassing theory about how kishi accidentally drew 2 FRS, had naruto shove one of them in front of himself, and then the tails get sliced, and by sheer coincidence the FRS in naruto's right arm, the same one he rammed in front of him, is now gone.

2. My claim is that the first FRS support the two tails in front of[

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I still don't understand what you are saying. There are two tails that get sliced in half, are you saying that FRS didn't even slice one of them, but rather was used on one of the tails that weren't sliced through on the sides of the bird?

 

[slimreaper]

fatal flaw. rasenshuriken breaks down into thousands of little wind blades. this is its flaw to beating susanoo. the individual blades have no chance of breaking through the thick armor and skin of susanoo. clearly the fuuton danzo used would be more effective than rasenshuriken for the reason posted above

 

[lanakui8]

fatal flaw. rasenshuriken breaks down into thousands of little wind blades. this is its flaw to beating susanoo. the individual blades have no chance of breaking through the thick armor and skin of susanoo.

Why in the world would FRS attacking with uncountable tiny wind blades mean it has no chance of breaking through susanoo?

clearly the fuuton danzo used would be more effective than rasenshuriken for the reason posted above

All the reasons that have been posted above have either been addressed by the OP or have been addressed by myself later.

 

[slimreaper]

Why in the world would FRS attacking with uncountable tiny wind blades mean it has no chance of breaking through susanoo?


All the reasons that have been posted above have either been addressed by the OP or have been addressed by myself later.

it took a wind blade the size of the actual susanoo to break its skin yet you think little blades can pierce its skin? if it was just a giant explosion it might actually work. it being tiny blades weakens its explosive power. that is why it would fail to break a susanoo. each blade isn't enough to even damage susanoo it would need to combine all these blades to work

 

[lanakui8]

it took a wind blade the size of the actual susanoo to break its skin yet you think little blades can pierce its skin?

The wind blade didn't just pierce susanoo's skin, it broke through the armor, skin, muscle, and bone. And I have no idea what the size of the blade has to do with its piercing power. A anti-tank rifle's bullet is far smaller than a canon ball, yet it possesses way more piercing power than the canon ball.

here's a manga example that illustrates my point. Tsunade said that

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Since his body is in tact after the attack, it must mean that each of the needles that hit his body were capable of travelling at least halfway through his entire body else there would some cells that weren't hit by the needles. Now look at

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Despite being just incomparably larger than each needle, they don't even have enough penetrating power to go through shinobi's legs or necks thus they have less penetrating power than each needle.

if it was just a giant explosion it might actually work. it being tiny blades weakens its explosive power.

Matter and energy can't be created or destroyed. Regardless if the attack does its damage via a giant explosion or countless tiny blades, the amount of energy it exerts on susanoo is the same, thus it's going to take the same damage, the only difference is that the kind of damage or displacement of damage might vary.

that is why it would fail to break a susanoo. each blade isn't enough to even damage susanoo it would need to combine all these blades to work

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exploded on ribcage susanoo. do you think it would destroy it?
And I'm still waiting for the evidence that each blade isn't enough to do damage to susanoo.

In addition to that, in the OP I showed how Naruto can make it so that his FRS doesn't explode into a wind sphere, but rather stays in a concentrated shuriken form. By your logic that should cut right through susanoo.

 

[slimreaper]

The wind blade didn't just pierce susanoo's skin, it broke through the armor, skin, muscle, and bone. And I have no idea what the size of the blade has to do with its piercing power. A anti-tank rifle's bullet is far smaller than a canon ball, yet it possesses way more piercing power than the canon ball.

here's a manga example that illustrates my point. Tsunade said that

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Since his body is in tact after the attack, it must mean that each of the needles that hit his body were capable of travelling at least halfway through his entire body else there would some cells that weren't hit by the needles. Now look at

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Despite being just incomparably larger than each needle, they don't even have enough penetrating power to go through shinobi's legs or necks thus they have less penetrating power than each needle.


Matter and energy can't be created or destroyed. Regardless if the attack does its damage via a giant explosion or countless tiny blades, the amount of energy it exerts on susanoo is the same, thus it's going to take the same damage, the only difference is that the kind of damage or displacement of damage might vary.


What if

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exploded on ribcage susanoo. do you think it would destroy it?
And I'm still waiting for the evidence that each blade isn't enough to do damage to susanoo.

In addition to that, in the OP I showed how Naruto can make it so that his FRS doesn't explode into a wind sphere, but rather stays in a concentrated shuriken form. By your logic that should cut right through susanoo.

you suggesting each blade is going to enter susanoo is dumb. clearly these blades wouldn't even have the strength to enter.

he we see a kunai being snapped by ribcage susanoo

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so we have piercing resistance.

he we see susanoo can tank base wind techs

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now each of this tiny needles are supposed to pierce something hard enough to break metal?


you are underestimating the power of baku. it pulled a trees out of a forest they weren't even fighting in

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look at the power it hits with

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little needles aren't matching this. give danzo his credit. if this tech hit kakuzu he would be nonexistent

 

[Champ]

You posted Sasuke incomplete v3 Susano'o, so I guess this thread is about him. Enton surrounding Susano'o negates Rasen Shuriken

 

[lanakui8]

you suggesting each blade is going to enter susanoo is dumb. clearly these blades wouldn't even have the strength to enter.

he we see a kunai being snapped by ribcage susanoo

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so we have piercing resistance.

he we see susanoo can tank base wind techs

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now each of this tiny needles are supposed to pierce something hard enough to break metal?

Again, I don't see how any of that is suppose to mean that the needles don't pierce it by the same exact explanation that I gave above: that smaller attack does not mean anything about it having less piercing power and that the needles from the 50% powered base FRS had more penetrating power than danzou's much larger slicing fuutons.

Not only that, but susanoo didn't even tank temari's fuuton in the second scan, it leveled up while it took that blast which means any damage done to it would have been repaired.

you are underestimating the power of baku. it pulled a trees out of a forest they weren't even fighting in

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look at the power it hits with

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little needles aren't matching this. give danzo his credit. if this tech hit kakuzu he would be nonexistent

Baku's suction didn't pull trees out of a forest they weren't fighting in, it was pulling trees that grew off the nearby cliff. Baku's main purpose was not to amplify Danzou's fuuton, but to hold sasuke and his susanoo in place so that it couldn't do anything while danzou attacked it. The suction adding power to his fuuton was a secondary feature as you can see it didn't

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So none of what you just typed refutes the much more powerful FRS destroying susanoo as the blades have been shown to have way more piercing power than kunai and much larger fuutons when the half-powered base version goes through kakuzu's whole body. Not only that but the blades are probably the sharpest thing in the manga considering

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To give you some kind of picture of how sharp that is,

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You posted Sasuke incomplete v3 Susano'o, so I guess this thread is about him. Enton surrounding Susano'o negates Rasen Shuriken

Enton surrounding susanoo won't negate FRS, it will only make it more powerful. Katons don't negate fuutons, they only get more powerful from the fuuton, he would have to fire the enton right at the FRS which results in sasuke's enton getting powered up and sent back at naruto.