Establishing why BM Minato > Hashirama

[KidGamer65]

Actually when you look at the explosion of each fired bijuudamas on this panel, it looks comparable to the first form of Juubi in terms of size(each of them) [

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]. I agree however that the standard Bijuudama of Kyubi is bigger

That's most likely cause they were all ran through by another Bijuu Dama (In Laser Form) at the same exact time, cause there is no way that they could reach those sizes on their own.

Completely missed this. It's a nice point


Nice

Thanks.

I was thinking a charged Bijuudama in this condition, but thinking about it, it's more likely Hashirama won't give his time to do that. Like i also realised the gigantic arms of Shinsuusenju that would be in the way of my teleporting Bijuudamas strategy. The kunais would be pushed back by them normally, unless they are strucked on it like on this tree [

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]. If it happens, then a teleporting Bijuudama may very well be the end for Hashirama

Minato's Kunai isn't going to be able to pierce it like it pierced that tree allowing it to lodge itself in place. So its not going to get lodged into Shinsuusenju.

Hashirama Bijuudama counters works when he is capable to trace the trajectory of Bijuudamas. Unlike Susanoo users, he isn't protected when he fights above his golems because of this, a Bijuudama surprisingly appearing and exploding around his position may kill him

I agree that this would be a dangerous situation for him to be in. If he can get Hobi up its possible that he can survive it as long as it isn't the one that he made against the 5 Bijuu. Then again, how would he go about getting a mark or a Kunai up above Hashirama in the first place?

I disagree with your clone counter-argument. Hashirama's vision is completely hidden when he is using Shinsuusenju because of the arms on the statue's back. [

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Because of this, a clone may be capable to appear behind his back without him even noticing since FTG speed is untraceable. [

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I don't see how the clone is even going to get above the massive hands of Shinsuusenju to get Hashirama's back in the first place. A Kunai or mark isn't working since Minato can't toss that far up, and even if he could, he isn't going to do it before the Buddha stops it.

Also, even if his vision is hidden, he is a sensor outside of Sage Mode and he also gets access to Sage Sensing along with enhanced reflexes. He'd know Minato is coming before he even got there.

So since Minato can mark territories around Shinsuusenju, his clone could easily get behind Hashirama without him even noticing. Using the chakra arms from that position to either place a marking somewhere without Hashirama noticing, or connect to teleport it somewhere else. It's the weakness of this jutsu

Like I explained above, I'm not seeing how he actually gets to Hashirama on top of the statue.

 

[Ababeel]

why assuming that Minato will fire them off in front of Hashi?
What if he prepared it in front of him, then teleported himself behind Hashi for example and then fired them off? Or if Hashi caught them what stop Minato from teleporting the TBB that Hashi caught to any Kunai near Hashi?
(The TBB is still has Minato's chakra because he is the one who made it, therefore, he should be able to teleport it like he did to the allaince)Zzz

Like I explained above, I'm not seeing how he actually gets to Hashirama on top of the statue.

what if he teleported the statue away?

 

[HNIC]

LOL at the one guy who summoned kidgamerxd lmao

Hashirama takes this but minato is a good matchup

ikr! People **** ride so hard on here

 

[KingHashirama]

umm Sadly no.

People can establish : Itachi > Hashirama... and many other cases

But all result in Hashirama being drastically underrated and only using techniques that can be countered by the opponent.

Why does Hashirama need to be there himself?? Why can't he just mokuton tree world and use wood clones?? What is stopping Hashirama from stabbing Minato from the bottom in the feet while he is standing on the ground or on a tree??

All these equations...


Hashirama's power isn't simply the Buddha. It is the fact that he himself does not have to battle in a fight and can go anywhere he wants through the earth itself.


On top of that what is the need for Hashirama to summon the statues?? Its not like Minato is going full bijuu mode... lmao.

 

[ajpn920]

@kidgamer

I don't see how the clone is even going to get above the massive hands of Shinsuusenju to get Hashirama's back in the first place. A Kunai or mark isn't working since Minato can't toss that far up, and even if he could, he isn't going to do it before the Buddha stops it.

First, I wonder if this Shinsuusenju attacks if the target is out of sight. Minato can mark the battlefield and he can avoid Hashi's line of sight with ease. If he's out of Hashi's sight then obviously Shinsuusenju would definitely look for his target. Minato can mark Shinsuusenju using his chakra arms and knowing that FTG has radius, a clone is most likely to be used to go for Hashi on top of Shinsuusenju as a bait. This clone can throw a kunai teleport then throw again to close the gap and summons the original.

Second, I also wonder what will happen if this Shinsuusenju steps in the ST barrier. We know that all attacks will go to the FTG's void and it's up for Minato to decide where to send it. It was already proven when he teleported Kurama's TBB without knowing where to send it.

Third, Minato can separate Shinsuusenju and Hashi. This was proven many times already. Separating them is easy for Minato since he has the tools to do it. When this happens, Hashi is in trouble.

Lastly, he can also use food cart destroyer to appear right above the target. It's a summoning jutsu so distance is not relevant. No matter how tall Shinsuusenju is he can always appear right above it.

OT: I agree. Nice thread

 

[Saskeu]

Tobirama who also has FTG was no were near his brothers level< now ur telling me another blondie with the same tech and uses bijuu chakra (which Hashirama is known to one panel) and you think he can beat hashirama?

Lol dude sit down.

 

[Amaterasuice]

I like Minato better, but no dude. No. I read though.

 

[Unorthodox]

Chakra arms would be bad for minato as on contact hashirama wood will grow and become stronger

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also it surpresses it Minato chakra arms are nothing when shinsuusenju arms dwafs them also it has about 2000 of them minato tags seals are useless when he can remove them like this.

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also his mokuton woods spikes can be used how obito did when he was on the juubi

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Image this with 2000 hands that would put minato on great defense and as i said on contact they would expand since minato kurama chakra is like sunlight & water to hashirama wood wood forest isnt useless when it will expand faster than he can destroy bijuu dama barage is aslo useless as naruto himself smacked 5 bijuu damas away with his hands same can be said for shinsuusenju who has 2000 minato using full bijuudama would only wear kurama down when it can be smack or grabbed by 10 hands as 1 hand held 100% kurama like a fat hamster i would say full bijuu dama is about 10x kurama size so i dont see why it cant be thrown back aswell also susanoo swords is a casually mountains buster while shinsuusenju fist can be held a village buster with a flat hand smack so saying minato has more firepower laughable Hashirama med-diff at most ​

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Please tell me this is a joke. When Minato transported kyuubi he became so weakened. He can't transport Shinsuusenju. Assuming you're talking about them fighting as edos then Hashirama has the chakra and stamina to resummon Shinsuusenju. GAME OVER

 

[Saskeu]

Bogard doesn't respond to my replies because he knows i'd tear him apart in a debate.

U_U

 

[BlackFlame44]

Bogard doesn't respond to my replies because he knows i'd tear him apart in a debate.

U_U

Lel *****


But this thread won't end well that's for sure.

 

[ajpn920]

Chakra arms would be bad for minato as on contact hashirama wood will grow and become stronger

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also it surpresses it Minato chakra arms are nothing when shinsuusenju arms dwafs them also it has about 2000 of them minato tags seals are useless when he can remove them like this.

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also his mokuton woods spikes can be used how obito did when he was on the juubi

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Image this with 2000 hands that would put minato on great defense and as i said on contact they would expand since minato kurama chakra is like sunlight & water to hashirama wood wood forest isnt useless when it will expand faster than he can destroy bijuu dama barage is aslo useless as naruto himself smacked 5 bijuu damas away with his hands same can be said for shinsuusenju who has 2000 minato using full bijuudama would only wear kurama down when it can be smack or grabbed by 10 hands as 1 hand held 100% kurama like a fat hamster i would say full bijuu dama is about 10x kurama size so i dont see why it cant be thrown back aswell also susanoo swords is a casually mountains buster while shinsuusenju fist can be held a village buster with a flat hand smack so saying minato has more firepower laughable Hashirama med-diff at most ​

Question:

1. How can Hashirama penetrate space time barrier?

2. How can Hashi avoid food cart destroyer? If he can, do you think he's still safe knowing Minato is near him?

3. Can he avoid Gamarinsho? Kishi simply states that a contract with gamabunta is a contract with all toads

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[ajpn920]

Question:

1. How can Hashirama penetrate space time barrier?

2. How can Hashi avoid food cart destroyer? If he can, do you think he's still safe knowing Minato is near him?

3. Can he avoid Gamarinsho? Kishi simply states that a contract with gamabunta is a contract with all toads

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These questions are waiting for an answer. Anyone?

 

[KingHashirama]

Question:

1. How can Hashirama penetrate space time barrier?

2. How can Hashi avoid food cart destroyer? If he can, do you think he's still safe knowing Minato is near him?

3. Can he avoid Gamarinsho? Kishi simply states that a contract with gamabunta is a contract with all toads

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1. Why does Hashirama have to penetrate the space time barrier?? And it is quite ridiculous if you believe Hashirama has no clue about how Ftg works, when his own brother used it.

2. How can Hashirama stop it?? Mokuton..... And does Minato know if that is the real Hashirama? Does Minato know if he tries to attack Hashirama and it turns out to be a wood clone.. another clone can attack him?

3. Sure if Minato wants to summon 2 frogs and get them killed... its his choice.

 

[Minator93]

Nice thread as always bro. I agree completely. I'd like to link a similar thread of mine here

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[Champ]

Kishi disagrees

 

[Unorthodox]

Question:

1. How can Hashirama penetrate space time barrier?

2. How can Hashi avoid food cart destroyer? If he can, do you think he's still safe knowing Minato is near him?

3. Can he avoid Gamarinsho? Kishi simply states that a contract with gamabunta is a contract with all toads

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1. wood spikes coming from every directions shits on s/t barrier
2. foot cart is shit useless and how would it even come from above when shinsuusenju stands about 2000 feet a thump from the buddah kills any toad
3. Yet jiraiya who was a sage need prep time also the frogs didnt even know minato sound genjutsu is useless when his clones can wake him up anyways

 

[naruttebayo]

fufufu nice thread bro :snick:

 

[Booker]

I always love your threads Bogard, but Hashirama eats up that Nine-Tails chakra like Rosie O' Donnel in a Cheesecake Factory

 

[xcoyote]

Hashirama shits.