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Title says it all. In this thread i'd like to explain why i believe BM Minato is above him
This is how i think the battle would play out between the 2. Minato usually waste no time to mark the territory
Concerning Hashirama it depends. However it's possible he may want to start with his flower tree world
If Minato is in human form(KCM without avatar), he will notice the start of the jutsu [
He has shown the capacity to mark a territory even bigger than the Juubi in one-go
Other possibility would be to simply throw it in the opposite direction of the jutsu formation [
So it wouldn't be difficult for him to throw kunais far away from Hashirama's jutsu(if he didn't do it already) and get out of the area before the flower tree world actually take effects [
And it has also be shown that the effect isn't really permanent since the Kages even after inhaling the pollen during a certain while, still managed to wake up after Onoki(who wasn't put to sleep by the technique) destroyed the flowers [
So Minato has all the time necessary to evade this technique anytime he wants since his kunai spreading capacity is above that of the flower tree world
Infact later when Obito used his own barrier(that has greater scale than the Hokage barrier)
We realised that Minato even managed to put kunai markings outside the area
So all in all, Minato has the tools to dodge this jutsu even in base form
If he uses Kyubi's avatar it would even be easier since this jutsu isn't even on the level of Madara's PS feet [
So eventhough BM Minato isn't as big as Perfect Susanoo, the attack would be too small that it won't even be noticeable, the pollen only affecting people on human being scale
In BM, Minato would probably use moves like Bijuudama
Or his giant rasengan to finish of Hashirama off the bat
Hashirama would probably try to counter this either by catching the Bijuudama and throwing it back
Defend himself with Rashoumon gates
Or the human golem that contained this Bijuudama [
The first counter would prove itself unsuccessful though if he were to fire continous bijuudamas in kurama form
And it's doubtful the other one would be great enough to contain the power of 4Bijuudamas
Hashirama may decide to use the wood dragon to contain Kyubi's power
But it would prove itself unsuccessful against a teleporter
Same can be said concerning his gates [
And because of being pushed back by Kyubi's fire power, things like clones or normal wood techniques would prove themselves to be worthless at this point. Hashirama would probably decide to enter SM and use his Shinsuusenju
Something powerful enough to contain the power of multiple tailed beast bombs [
Problem however is that this statue lacks long range attacks(at least from what we know). Its Chojou Kebutsu needs close contact to be effective [
Well because of it's size, normally it shouldn't be a problem, but remember, he is fighting a teleporter here and like i've proved above, Minato can mark territories far greater than Shinsuusenju's range, so he could easily get out of the way and decide to attack the statue from a long range position anytime he wants
Worse being worse is that lately, Minato has even shown long range chakra arms that make even Bijuus look small
Chakra arms alone aren't easy to dodge and when you dodge them, you're not far away from them [
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Combining this move with FTG kunais or markings like i've shown on my picture for example, and he could be capable to surprise Hashirama above the Boudha at anytime he desires either with a surprise teleported Bijuudama on top of the statue(so on Hashirama's position) [
If he wants to play safe, he can even make a clone do the job
In terms of fire power i would also like to point out that the combined Bijuudama created by half Kyubi and Hachibi was roughly 33times bigger than Juubi(who is bigger than Shinsuusenju)
If you consider that Kyubi contributed in half the power, it would mean Kyubi's Bijuudama would have been roughly 16times bigger than Juubi if he made it alone, but half Kyubi having far greater fire power than Hachibi, the range should obviously be far greater as well
So all in all, Minato possess superior fire power, greater evasivity and speed as well as dangerous markings, allowing him to take this fight IMO
This is how i think the battle would play out between the 2. Minato usually waste no time to mark the territory
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Concerning Hashirama it depends. However it's possible he may want to start with his flower tree world
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If Minato is in human form(KCM without avatar), he will notice the start of the jutsu [
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] and get out of the way with HiraishinHe has shown the capacity to mark a territory even bigger than the Juubi in one-go
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Other possibility would be to simply throw it in the opposite direction of the jutsu formation [
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], so basically in Hashirama's direction since the flower tree world is a straight forward jutsu so i don't think it affects the area where Hashirama is supposed to be behind the formation of the techniqueSo it wouldn't be difficult for him to throw kunais far away from Hashirama's jutsu(if he didn't do it already) and get out of the area before the flower tree world actually take effects [
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]And it has also be shown that the effect isn't really permanent since the Kages even after inhaling the pollen during a certain while, still managed to wake up after Onoki(who wasn't put to sleep by the technique) destroyed the flowers [
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]So Minato has all the time necessary to evade this technique anytime he wants since his kunai spreading capacity is above that of the flower tree world
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Infact later when Obito used his own barrier(that has greater scale than the Hokage barrier)
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We realised that Minato even managed to put kunai markings outside the area
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So all in all, Minato has the tools to dodge this jutsu even in base form
If he uses Kyubi's avatar it would even be easier since this jutsu isn't even on the level of Madara's PS feet [
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]So eventhough BM Minato isn't as big as Perfect Susanoo, the attack would be too small that it won't even be noticeable, the pollen only affecting people on human being scale
In BM, Minato would probably use moves like Bijuudama
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Or his giant rasengan to finish of Hashirama off the bat
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Hashirama would probably try to counter this either by catching the Bijuudama and throwing it back
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Defend himself with Rashoumon gates
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Or the human golem that contained this Bijuudama [
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]
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The first counter would prove itself unsuccessful though if he were to fire continous bijuudamas in kurama form
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And it's doubtful the other one would be great enough to contain the power of 4Bijuudamas
Hashirama may decide to use the wood dragon to contain Kyubi's power
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But it would prove itself unsuccessful against a teleporter
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Same can be said concerning his gates [
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]And because of being pushed back by Kyubi's fire power, things like clones or normal wood techniques would prove themselves to be worthless at this point. Hashirama would probably decide to enter SM and use his Shinsuusenju
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Something powerful enough to contain the power of multiple tailed beast bombs [
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]Problem however is that this statue lacks long range attacks(at least from what we know). Its Chojou Kebutsu needs close contact to be effective [
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]Well because of it's size, normally it shouldn't be a problem, but remember, he is fighting a teleporter here and like i've proved above, Minato can mark territories far greater than Shinsuusenju's range, so he could easily get out of the way and decide to attack the statue from a long range position anytime he wants
Worse being worse is that lately, Minato has even shown long range chakra arms that make even Bijuus look small
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Chakra arms alone aren't easy to dodge and when you dodge them, you're not far away from them [
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]Combining this move with FTG kunais or markings like i've shown on my picture for example, and he could be capable to surprise Hashirama above the Boudha at anytime he desires either with a surprise teleported Bijuudama on top of the statue(so on Hashirama's position) [
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], or instant teleporting himself there and finish him off with a kunai slash [
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], Rasengan [
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] or whateverIf he wants to play safe, he can even make a clone do the job
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In terms of fire power i would also like to point out that the combined Bijuudama created by half Kyubi and Hachibi was roughly 33times bigger than Juubi(who is bigger than Shinsuusenju)
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If you consider that Kyubi contributed in half the power, it would mean Kyubi's Bijuudama would have been roughly 16times bigger than Juubi if he made it alone, but half Kyubi having far greater fire power than Hachibi, the range should obviously be far greater as well
So all in all, Minato possess superior fire power, greater evasivity and speed as well as dangerous markings, allowing him to take this fight IMO
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