Bro it does not say to better aid him in the fight...
It says to better aid him he sealed it in mito. Kushina was talking about how jinchuriki's came about... jesus christ learn how to read man
- Why Hashirama would leave the Kyuubi lying around for the rest of the fight when he could've used it against Madara. Does that make any sense to you?
that is if he can force the kyuubi to fight for himself isn't it?
- How Hashirama suddenly went from being = Madara to being > Madara + PS + Kyuubi
depends on how you take this statement
hashirama> madara+kyuubi
did he defeat them simultaneously?- no, highly unlikely
did he defeat them one by one- yes
but does that mean hashi>madara+kyuubi?
yes cause no matter in the end he defeated them both, its upto you ofcourse
- Why the manga has used the word 'control' when it could've very easily said 'suppressed'.
it also uses that in case of killer bee and we know where killer bee stands
- How Madara knows his Perfect Susanoo can stand up to a Bijuu.
he is comparing power and feats, you can always compare your feats with someone else
lol I feel like you are avoiding the obvious here.
- The manga said he gained control of the Kyuubi. I don't really know who else you can see this. Not 'he suppressed', he 'gained control'. Why would he not force the Kyuubi to fight Madara? It makes no sense to say he would just leave it there. Even if he did not force the Kyuubi to, i'm pretty sure the Kyuubi would choose to fight against Madara anyway, Kurama hates Madara.
- What? Come on man. Hashirama drew with Madara countless times before that. And now he is supposed to be able to win a fight where his opponent now has two Uber HAX powerups? I'm not buying that.
Dude, YOU need to read the passage again yourself... it said, "DURING the fight, Hashirama gained control of the fox." PERIOD!, Notice the period after that quote. THen it says, "And in order to better aid himself", keyword is AND! Signifying that the better aid, is NOT in conjuction with, during the fight... it is a different subject all together....
Now continuing..... "And in order to better aid himself, Mito-sama sealed the nine-tails within herself, becoming its first jinchurricki." NOTICE the comma between himself, and Mito.... It signifies a pause, continuing the statement. Then at the end it says, Mito became the FIRST jinchurriki... Now HOW could Hashirama use the fox, DURING the fight, if infact DURING the fight, Mito sealed the fox in herself? Do you understand now?
It said in the manga ithat he got control of the fox and in order to help him, mito seal the fox. sealed not used it to fight madara gee. It was shodai's fight not mito and mito couldn't have fought in this fight but only to seal the fox after the restraining of kurama.
It still seems to me some NB members around here still aren't aware of the fact that Hashirama used the fox to better aid him in battle against madara?
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Right here Kushina state's it right to naruto that hashirama in fact used the fox against madara.
just clearing it up to some people that still think he didn't, apologies if everyone already knows he did.
he actually didn't she was saying by taking away the kyuubi from the fight it would better aid him wan't more proof
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mito didn't become a jinchuriku to fight but to keep the kyuubi at bay you see harishima on the bottom left that probably was during the fight with madara and he said he couldn't roam free because of his power he sealed it within mito not for her to fight with harishima and madara would not have shown so much respect for harishima if he fought together with mito he would have said something about having to fight two on two case close
lol I feel like you are avoiding the obvious here.
what?
- The manga said he gained control of the Kyuubi. I don't really know who else you can see this. Not 'he suppressed', he 'gained control'.
well we wouldn't be arguing if we knew Japanese anyway i am simply not buying this that hashirama can hijack the mind of the bijuus and control them via a remote control, that is the sharingans area of expertise
mokuton is hashirama's signature technique
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even here you see him trying to restrain the kyuubi via mokuton, if you trap an animal in a cage you would still be said to in control of the animal
- What? Come on man. Hashirama drew with Madara countless times before that. And now he is supposed to be able to win a fight where his opponent now has too Uber HAX powerups? I'm not buying that.
yes madara was at hashirama's level but you can defeat both of them one by one
i suppose you agree that
hashirama>kyuubi and madara>kyuubi?
he simply removed the kyuubi from the equation
- Manga has been clear with what it has said.
make killer bee face the seven tails and he will get vaporised without hachibi, he cannot control bijuus despite having been said to completely control his bijuu
if he could control any bijuu you throw at him and make the bijuu do his bidding then wouldn't be in this situation
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- Less likely that what I proposed IMO.
i believe there were different translations of this
i think this is most accurate
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even here he says bijuu have a power comparable to this
this here refers to destroying landscapes or moutains
even if you don't fight with a bijuu you can always compare what you can do and what a bijuu can do
lol I feel like you are avoiding the obvious here.
what?
- The manga said he gained control of the Kyuubi. I don't really know who else you can see this. Not 'he suppressed', he 'gained control'.
well we wouldn't be arguing if we knew Japanese anyway i am simply not buying this that hashirama can hijack the mind of the bijuus and control them via a remote control, that is the sharingans area of expertise
mokuton is hashirama's signature technique
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even here you see him trying to restrain the kyuubi via mokuton, if you trap an animal in a cage you would still be said to in control of the animal
- What? Come on man. Hashirama drew with Madara countless times before that. And now he is supposed to be able to win a fight where his opponent now has too Uber HAX powerups? I'm not buying that.
yes madara was at hashirama's level but you can defeat both of them one by one
i suppose you agree that
hashirama>kyuubi and madara>kyuubi?
he simply removed the kyuubi from the equation
- Manga has been clear with what it has said.
make killer bee face the seven tails and he will get vaporised without hachibi, he cannot control bijuus despite having been said to completely control the bijuus
- Less likely that what I proposed IMO.
i believe there were different translations of this
i think this is most accurate
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even here he says bijuu have a power comparable to this
this here refers to destroying landscapes or moutains
even if you don't fight with a bijuu you can always compare what you can do and what a bijuu can do
Manga has already said he can bend them towards his will. I've no idea how he goes about doing this but it's clear he can control them. I mean there's no way of knowing what really happened until we actually see the fight but I do believe the Kyuubi turning against Madara seems likely with what we know.
Pretty much confirms Mito sealed it after the fight.
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Hashirama can control Bijuu.
If you ask me, the manga is implying that Hashirama ended up seizing control of the Kyuubi and used it against Madara. It by far makes the most sense with what we know so far.
None of these things really imply that Hashirama really used Kurama against Madara.
Yes, Hashirama controlled Kurama but neither he used him against Madara or just suppressed his power is the theory. Your first picture just shows an exhausted Hashirama who sealed Kurama away after a tough fight. This wouldn't be the case if he would have fought Madara with Kurama.
Your second page just shows that he could control them but doesn't show explicit that he used them against Madara, too.
- Why Hashirama would leave the Kyuubi lying around for the rest of the fight when he could've used it against Madara. Does that make any sense to you?
- How Hashirama suddenly went from being = Madara to being > Madara + PS + Kyuubi.
- Why the manga has used the word 'control' when it could've very easily said 'suppressed'.
- How Madara knows his Perfect Susanoo can stand up to a Bijuu.
1. One could say that Hashirama wanted to face Madara with his own strength to determine the stronger Shinobi, but yes, the question is why didn't he used Kurama. But if Hashirama could gain control over Kurama, couldn't Madara do this, too, like Hashirama took control over him? This could turn into an endless try to take control over the tailed beast.
2. It was never said that Hashirama was an equal to Madara, it was only said that they fought everal times, without to tell the result. Kakuzu wasn't an equal to Hashirama, too though trying to fight him. Above both, Madara and Hashirama could turn stronger after some power up. And since Hashiramas Mokuton is able to suppress Bijus, it wasn't actually the case that Hashirama beat them both, he just set him out of the combat.
3. Suppressing and controlling are at some point synonyms, Hashirama can took control over the Bijus, what includes that he can suppress them as well. At the point when he suppressed and collected the Bijus, he actually controlled them with his Mokuton.
4. Therefore he didn't need to fight a Biju actually, it is enough to compare Susanoos power with those of the Biju. Susanoo is more than two times bigger than a Biju and his power is overcoming them too. Therefore there is no need to mess up with a Biju since Madara is aware of this by comparing his Susanoo to the Biju.
We can only speculate at this point since there is no proof which backs up our claims; but here I have one to back up my claim that Hashirama is in fact stronger.
Madaras own words were that Hashirama can stop him, when he was obviously referring to his perfect Susanoo. Also Dan said that Hashirama can stop him, where he was also referring to the Madara who was using the EMS.
Two persons (Madara included) said, that Hashirama can stop him, without going on detail or talking about some foreign aid of some Biju.
And since Hashirama was said to be the one who can stop him, he is at this point the stronger one. No matter how the fight was actually going on.
What I want to say is that explicit statements are more important than a theory about a fight we don't know about.
That's the whole point of it, no one knows what happened during the fight, it could be a number of things, from Hashirama using the kyuubi to anally rape Madara, to Mito sealing it inside of her. Keeping Kurama out of the way is a form of helping during that fight.
