Environment needs to be considered when discussing someone's motives

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I've seen a lot of threads recently comparing the motives and pasts of the characters in the series. But the truth is, we really can't compare them. Everybody has a different way of going about things because of their environment and physiological beliefs. Calling a character pathetic because of their reasoning because of one character suffering the same is just as simple minded as using A>B>C logic to support battle debates.

I will use a few examples to support this with my first being a recurring debate on the site:
Who suffered more? Naruto or Sasuke?
As I stated in my title, we can't tell. Sasuke always tried his best to impress his father and live up to his older brother and prove himself to the rest of the clan. Sasuke deeply loved his family as we all know from the flashbacks. Losing his family at only 10 years old is a very traumatic experience. Then we have Naruto, who's been insulted and isolated for all of his life. The main statement people share on this debate is that if Naruto got through loneliness, why couldn't Sasuke? I'll tell you why it was his physiological beliefs. Naruto didn't have bonds, whilst Sasuke had bonds only to have them taken away by none other than his own brother. This in no way indicates that Sasuke had it worse but you need to understand his point of view.

Next example is 'A lot more people suffered like Obito so why didn't they go for Tsuki no Me?
The answer to this one is once again physiological but this time also because of environment. Naruto lost his parents and his master, Sasuke lost his whole clan and Kakashi had to kill Rin. So the statement about suffering is justified but saying he did it because he 'didn't get some' is way too simple minded and apathetic. As we see from chapter 599, Rin was a best friend figure to him. She spurred on his dream of becoming the Hokage along with Minato. People use his family as an arguement but remember he was labeled as 'the black sheep of the Uchiha" so it's plausible that they did not give a damn about him. Now onto why Naruto and co did not lose their way. Obito was offered a free way solution to bring his own way of peace into the world. Naruto and co did not rebel simply because they had no idea that such a method would even be plausible. Another factor is that Naruto had Iruka and Kakashi had Gai and Asuma. Obito was trapped in an underground cave without anybody having even the slightest knowledge that he was alive. He had Madara and Zetsu. The only person who could talk him out of it was Rin.

The final example I will use is how the Uchiha's are commonly referred to as 'emo' or 'crybaby'.
This belief is once again too simplistic and apathetic. Uchihas actually have realistic beliefs and represent the people in the world who have lost themselves in despair. Sasuke, Obito and Madara have all felt betrayed by the ones closest to them and have sought out in their own way how to achieve peace.
 

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My issue with decisions like Sasuke's and Obito's is that there is very little thought given before their decision. It just happens. Like Sasuke claiming to destroy the hidden leaf. That was a huge jump form point a (killing his then-presumed criminal brother) to point b (swearing revenge for his clan). It took what? 5 chapters?

And obito's (while more logical in essence) should have been given more time to simmer through. Like what if Obito tried to avoid Madara's plan at first. Resisted it, but in living with the harsh reality of losing Rin and all hope of going home, he then submitted to the plan. That would have been wonderful!

I think the concept with Sasuke and Obito is phenomenal. It's the execution that is a little iffy.

One thing that I absolutely must say here (and please keep in mind that I am a huge Naruto Uzumaki fan) is that Kishimoto keeping him on the "right side" of morality is a huge missed opportunity.
 

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I was unsure about Obito's character until I read this.

Thanks, bro.

Also, the Uchiha are also extremely sensitive when it comes to love
 

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I agree wholeheartedly. Sadly, the base doesn't think the same way. They look at it too linearly and base it off of preferences (If they like Naruto/Sasuke over the other, they will convince themselves that that one is the one that suffered more out of nothing more than personal opinion rather than substantiated deliberation). I like the way you dissected the case with Obito.
 

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Damn, threads like these are awesome to get Into and I am stuck on my cellphone at work!
 

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I agree wholeheartedly. Sadly, the base doesn't think the same way. They look at it too linearly and base it off of preferences (If they like Naruto/Sasuke over the other, they will convince themselves that that one is the one that suffered more out of nothing more than personal opinion rather than substantiated deliberation). I like the way you dissected the case with Obito.

Thanks man. And yeah it's sad that the base doesn't think the same way.
 

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My issue with decisions like Sasuke's and Obito's is that there is very little thought given before their decision. It just happens. Like Sasuke claiming to destroy the hidden leaf. That was a huge jump form point a (killing his then-presumed criminal brother) to point b (swearing revenge for his clan). It took what? 5 chapters?

And obito's (while more logical in essence) should have been given more time to simmer through. Like what if Obito tried to avoid Madara's plan at first. Resisted it, but in living with the harsh reality of losing Rin and all hope of going home, he then submitted to the plan. That would have been wonderful!

I think the concept with Sasuke and Obito is phenomenal. It's the execution that is a little iffy.

One thing that I absolutely must say here (and please keep in mind that I am a huge Naruto Uzumaki fan) is that Kishimoto keeping him on the "right side" of morality is a huge missed opportunity.

@bold i agree with this.
nice thread
 

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I like the way you think owo
 
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