Enton Chidori vs Kamui Raikiri

[UzumakiFate]

Rikudou Sasuke clashing his Enton Chidori with Kakashi's Kamui Raikiri.
Head on, there will be no dodging or Preta path.
Who comes out on top ?

 

[Mellanoma]

I imagine space/time > Matter lol

 

[Sagebee]

I imagine space/time > Matter lol

Agree kamui would Pierce through the enton , Sasuke can't straight up take kamui chidori his only option is to try and Dodge and try and attack him first so he's going to need ameno

 

[UzumakiFate]

Agree kamui would Pierce through the enton , Sasuke can't straight up take kamui chidori his only option is to try and Dodge and try and attack him first so he's going to need ameno

Dodging is restricted here as this is a head ta head clash, i imagine the Raikir would cut through the Enton but won't pierce the Raiton part of the Chidori, as the described in DB4, Kamui Raikiri only warps what it pierces.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke rips him apart. As you said Raikiri warps what it pierces, but Sasuke's Chidori>>Kakashi's Raikiri.

 

[Mellanoma]

Sasuke rips him apart. As you said Raikiri warps what it pierces, but Sasuke's Chidori>>Kakashi's Raikiri.

If they clashed with one another wouldn't the Kamui warp the chidori? or does it literally mean Warp what it pierces.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

kamui raikiri for reasons already explained. The enton gets absorbed then it's a head on clash.

 

[KidGamer65]

If they clashed with one another wouldn't the Kamui warp the chidori? or does it literally mean Warp what it pierces.

The DB said it warps what it can pierce, and it can't pierce the stronger jutsu.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Total Clash, I'll bet my money in Kakashi's ST Raikiri.
With more time to spare and better stategies, I'm sure Sasuke's Enton Chidori can overcome the other.

 

[Holy God]

I'd go with Kamui Raikiri. If it only warped what it could literally pierce, it would be no stronger than Raikiri itself.

 

[UzumakiFate]

I'd go with Kamui Raikiri. If it only warped what it could literally pierce, it would be no stronger than Raikiri itself.

This doesn't make any sense.
There are things Kamui Raikir can pierce that regular Raikiri can't, doesn't mean kamui Raikiri can literally pierce through anything in the universe.

 

[Mellanoma]

The DB said it warps what it can pierce, and it can't pierce the stronger jutsu.

I see why you say that but it literally makes no sense based on that definition.

Its like having a black hole and fire in your hand but the black hole can only suck up what is burned. Kishi i tell ya

 

[Holy God]

This doesn't make any sense.
There are things Kamui Raikir can pierce that regular Raikiri can't, doesn't mean kamui Raikiri can literally pierce through anything in the universe.

Using my description of the technique makes perfect sense. Yours does not. How is Kamui Raikiri stronger than Raikiri if the only change, the Kamui aspect, does not work unless the Raikiri aspect does something first?

 

[UzumakiFate]

Using my description of the technique makes perfect sense. Yours does not. How is Kamui Raikiri stronger than Raikiri if the only change, the Kamui aspect, does not work unless the Raikiri aspect does something first?

Kamui Raikiri utilizes the six paths sage chakra, regular Raikiri doesn't, making the Kamui Raikiri far stronger than regular Raikiri even if you ignored the warping property of the Kamui Raikiri.
By your logic, SM Rasengan = regular Rasengan because they both do the same thing right ?? lol.
How about we use the same logic and say a Kyuubi chakra Rasengan is no stronger than regular Rasengan because it doesn't have any other property.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see why you say that but it literally makes no sense based on that definition.

Its like having a black hole and fire in your hand but the black hole can only suck up what is burned. Kishi i tell ya

I know, it sounded dumb when I first heard it too, and even how it worked in the Manga was redundant.

 

[Holy God]

Kamui Raikiri utilizes the six paths sage chakra, regular Raikiri doesn't, making the Kamui Raikiri far stronger than regular Raikiri even if you ignored the warping property of the Kamui Raikiri.
By your logic, SM Rasengan = regular Rasengan because they both do the same thing right ?? lol.
How about we use the same logic and say a Kyuubi chakra Rasengan is no stronger than regular Rasengan because it doesn't have any other property.

I predicted you would bring Six Paths Sage chakra into this, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You need to remove that factor, because otherwise you are just comparing the power of the chakra, and that has literally nothing to do with this argument, so the rest of your post is practically irrelevant.

What we are actually comparing is Raikiri and Kamui Raikiri both powered by the same chakra. Are you really going to tell me they would be at the same level, despite the Databook explicitly crediting it's new cutting power to the Kamui aspect? There'd be literally no point to Kakashi adding Kamui if it did nothing else, since he would already be using Black Raikiri due to Obito's Six Paths Sage chakra.

 

[UzumakiFate]

I predicted you would bring Six Paths Sage chakra into this, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You need to remove that factor, because otherwise you are just comparing the power of the chakra, and that has literally nothing to do with this argument, so the rest of your post is practically irrelevant.

What we are actually comparing is Raikiri and Kamui Raikiri both powered by the same chakra. Are you really going to tell me they would be at the same level, despite the Databook explicitly crediting it's new cutting power to the Kamui aspect? There'd be literally no point to Kakashi adding Kamui if it did nothing else, since he would already be using Black Raikiri due to Obito's Six Paths Sage chakra.

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Yes the strength of the chakra is what matters here, if regular Raikiri is made of six paths chakra, then it's no longer a regular Raikiri, and yes the difference between six paths chakra Raikiri and Kamui Raikiri just lays in the fact that Kamui Raikiri warps what it pierces, while the the six paths Raikiri doesn't.
Kamui Raikiri only warps what it pierces, and until it actually pierces through something, it isn't warping anything.
I don't care if it doesn't make sense for you or not, that's how the jutsu works and is descibed as such in the DB.

 

[Holy God]

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Yes the strength of the chakra is what matters here, if regular Raikiri is made of six paths chakra, then it's no longer a regular Raikiri, and yes the difference between six paths chakra Raikiri and Kamui Raikiri just lays in the fact that Kamui Raikiri warps what it pierces, while the the six paths Raikiri doesn't.
Kamui Raikiri only warps what it pierces, and until it actually pierces through something, it isn't warping anything.
I don't care if it doesn't make sense for you or not, that's how the jutsu works and is descibed as such in the DB.

No, the chakra doesn't matter because Kamui Raikiri doesn't have to be used with Six Paths Sage chakra, despite you assuming otherwise. We'll just have to agree to disagree, since there's literally no reason to have introduced the move if all it did was teleport the already stricken matter, which is really useless.