Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

[sulanis]

Lol, who said Oro was the strongest? Maybe the most durable.

thats what i was going to say, plus the most crafty and intelligent

 

[BossManKakashi]

you oro couldnt beat naruto with no hands . if oro had his justu he would destroy 4 tail naruto.you underrate oro. oro and edo kage solo shinobi alliance if madara could do it by himself im sure the four hokages can

*facepalm* madara never solod the alliance even with the juubi in his control for one thing. for a second thing orochimaru could use jutsu vs 4 tails...

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he had a new body and his arms worked.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

nowhere in this response did you list any logical points of feats. orochimaru isnt going to surpass sasuke at this point that would make no sense and destroy the whole point of the manga. i dont see obito or madara being killed by 4 tails naruto, and the "random battle scenario" is just proof that orochimaru isnt the most badass thing out there even if he is controlling 4 of the greatest shinobi of all time. dont you think that shows just how weak orochimaru is compared to the true powerhouse characters? that he couldnt even win now with 4 hokages on his team.

there is a difference between "speculating" and making an educated assumption. you seem to speculate based on your love of orochimaru, who in reality a 2nd rate villain in this series and when he doesnt do anything significant yet again you will realize how biased and blind you really are.

I'm not even arguing for Orochimaru being the strongest ever, I'm simply pointing out that none of the reasons originally stated are of any consequence anyway. The point of my post was to point out why OP argument is stupid. None of the points made were good ones and a lot of them were untrue.

 

[BossManKakashi]

I'm not even arguing for Orochimaru being the strongest ever, I'm simply pointing out that none of the reasons originally stated are of any consequence anyway. The point of my post was to point out why OP argument is stupid. None of the points made were good ones and a lot of them were untrue.

ummmm AGAIN you have zero logical rebuttals, you are simply refusing the ideas on the grounds that you dont like them. please dont respond again unless you bring something of value to the table such as manga evidence or logical arguments that hold water.

 

[Silverblade]

Sasuke is the main antagonist.
Orochimaru is just his little puppy.
Washed up snake dude.

The story is about Naruto
Obito would serve as a penultimate villain for putting Naruto through so much.
Sasuke is the main antagonist.

Orochimaru purpose is to help Sasuke grow.

 

[BossManKakashi]

Sasuke is the main antagonist.
Orochimaru is just his little puppy.
Washed up snake dude.

The story is about Naruto
Obito would serve as a penultimate villain for putting Naruto through so much.
Sasuke is the main antagonist.

Orochimaru purpose is to help Sasuke grow.

Thank you couldnt have said it better myself

 

[saw2097]

There has been a lot of development with Orochimaru lately, either he's very lucky or he is a lot smarter then we thought. Everything seems to be going his way.

 

[BossManKakashi]

There has been a lot of development with Orochimaru lately, either he's very lucky or he is a lot smarter then we thought. Everything seems to be going his way.

*sigh* he isnt going to be a threat to sasukes plans for revenge he might end up helping sasuke but the days of orochimaru as the main villain are over

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

ummmm AGAIN you have zero logical rebuttals, you are simply refusing the ideas on the grounds that you dont like them. please dont respond again unless you bring something of value to the table such as manga evidence or logical arguments that hold water.

Lol i already typed something out countering each point. Why don't you go through the list and logically counter everything i said...

You just made the stupidest points man. One of them was that Oro would lose to a 9tails chakra boosted SA. No **** sherlock pretty much anyone would. How is that a valid point?

Sasuke is in control of the situation? Really is that why Orochimaru has 4 hokages under his control? I don't like repeating myself man so actually read **** before you reply.


Oh wait, you can't.

 

[BossManKakashi]

Lol i already typed something out countering each point. Why don't you go through the list and logically counter everything i said...

You just made the stupidest points man. One of them was that Oro would lose to a 9tails chakra boosted SA. No **** sherlock pretty much anyone would. How is that a valid point?

Sasuke is in control of the situation? Really is that why Orochimaru has 4 hokages under his control? I don't like repeating myself man so actually read **** before you reply.


Oh wait, you can't.

Oro doesn't have 4 hokages under his control that is speculation, Considering oro is a pile of goop on the floor right now he is far from controlling the hokages . That requires a talisman and if you think oro is beating ems sasuke to that you are crazy.
Oro with the hokages would lose to shinobi alliance so him having that power would be pointless anyways is my point genius.
Simply stating something with a bad attitude doesn't make it true. So bring facts logic or proof with you next time

 

[jsrhoden]

Oro isn't the strongest. Apart from those few who are stating it as a joke, I wouldn't take it too seriously because the majority agree with you on this thread - he isn't the strongest ever. However, by stating he is weak and that he has no control of the current situation isn't exactly correct. Firstly he has taken his arms back and therefore has his justu, as well as having very good intelligence, plus he has his strength back from Kabuto + Senju DNA from Zetsu's (i think, i may be wrong).

Oro right now would put up a decent fight against EMS Sasuke. He might not win, but he wouldn't be fodderized. If he takes control of the Kages, he'll definitely be in an advantageous position. Also, I don't think he would be brought back "from the dead" by such measures if he was just used to fuel Sasukes progression, after all Sasuke is the one asking him for help to find the truth which means he does need Oro. Of course Oro won't surpass Sasuke, but he playing an important role right now and that can't be denied.

 

[FearxDeath]

Made some corrections to what you said

Orochimaru is not the strongest shinobi in history for the love of god..

1. Sasuke is in control of the whole scenario if anything he will be the one who is strongest.
Trollololololool

2. Nine tails army > 4 hokages
Correct, I guess your saying this to say that Oro couldnt take on 4 of the hokages, BUT we know he took on Hiruzen and beat him only losing his arms to him because he toyed around with him, we also know that he took on both Tsunade and Jariaya who are both Hokage level WITH NO ARMS OR JUTSU's and nearly killed tsunade while besting jariaya. Lets not underestimate his strenght just yet, especially now that he has senju DNA

3. Oro isn't going to rise as a main antagonist again, sasuke can own orochimaru now with ems if itachi could with ms. There are no control talismans on the hokages and sasuke isnt gonna let him control those hokages. Believe that.
Oro vs Sasuke? Didnt Sasuke already admit that the ONLY reason that he was able to defeat Oro in the first place was because he was sick, bed ridden and couldnt use his arms or any jutsu, and the only reason Itachi beat Oro was because Oro wasnt at full strenght, hence why he hadnt revealed himself yet, if he was at full strenght he would have just come out and took sasuke's body.

4. Where can you find one shred of evidence that oro is definitively better than jiraiya? I say this cause there are lots of ninja better than jiraiya meaning your boy oro isn't even top 5
Didnt Oro take on Jaraiya and Tsunade and live to talk about it, not only that but didnt he almost kill Tsunade in the process? Didnt Oro already state that a fight between him and Jariaya would be no contest. But I guess you wont be satisfied until we get a scan of them fighting and Oro winning... Oro beat Hiruzen, are you saying JIraiya is stronger than Hiruzen?

5. Oro < Nagato
Oro > JIriaya WITHOUT ANY JUTSU/ARMS, Jiraiya > 3 Paths of Pain, Oro > Pain

6. The main villain is by and far Madara uchia.. He been running game and manipulatin the whole shinobi world since before orochimarus parents were even born. Madara is the real OG you know this.
The guy hasnt been running anything, what was he PLANNING on obito getting hit by a rock? The guy has been bidding his time and waiting for the right moment to strike, god knows how long that would have taken without obito. Then the perfect situation lands in his laps with Obito seeing Kakashi kill Rin and TADA, he is able to bring his planning to fruition. You can barely call that an elaborate plan. Just luck and patience.

7. Oro stated he could be killed by 4 tails naruto, what do you think km naruto could do?
Doubt it, Scan or it didnt happen. Oro took on the 4tails without any arms or jutsu laughing and toying around with it at the same time.

8. Even if orochimaru controls the hokages, What do you think that GAI and Kakashi naruto with kurama chakra share and lets say sai for sealing would do to oro and the 4 hokages? Considering rock lee fodderized edo Madara team naruto would crush them with imputiny.
Now your just talking nonsense. Why would Oro stop with the Hokages, why not bring back even more kages, or control another village like he did with the hidden sand village, perhaps round up another jinkuriki or finish up some of the hundreds of experiments he has going that will make him stronger.


Orochimaru isn't the greatest shinobi of all time, face it.
Bull****t

Ps maybe you aren't creepy but being an oro fanboy connotates "creepy"
Being a hater connotates "misinformation"

 

[UchihaInza]

Ochi was never the strongest ..UchiahInza

 

[BossManKakashi]

Orochimaru isn't going to summon anymore edos he is literally barely alive in a zestu body, he doesn't have senju DNA that is pure speculation. Madara chose obito according to the manga (well documented if you don't know that then you should go back and actually read the manga) and likely orchestrated the situations with obito and Rin and Kakashi to use obito. Sasuke with ems > orochimaru in his prime. Oro is under the direct control of sasuke its so obvious get over it, there will be no more edos by oro and ems sasuke knows the seals to release edo tensei

 

[3MESSIAH]

i agree with point 5 and 6.but seriously....i think even edo madara couldnt handle orochimaru if he controlled edo hokages....

 

[Tingun]

He is not the strongest!

 

[MickNerks]

Woow.. You think Madara is the Best villian yet he was upgraded and brought back to live all because of Orochimaru.

SMH, You are a serious HATER.

 

[know it all]

Orochimaru is not the strongest shinobi in history for the love of god..

1. Sasuke is in control of the whole scenario if anything he will be the one who is strongest.
2. Nine tails army > 4 hokages
3. Oro isn't going to rise as a main antagonist again, sasuke can own orochimaru now with ems if itachi could with ms. There are no control talismans on the hokages and sasuke isnt gonna let him control those hokages. Believe that.
4. Where can you find one shred of evidence that oro is definitively better than jiraiya? I say this cause there are lots of ninja better than jiraiya meaning your boy oro isn't even top 5
5. Oro < Nagato
6. The main villain is by and far Madara uchia.. He been running game and manipulatin the whole shinobi world since before orochimarus parents were even born. Madara is the real OG you know this.
7. Oro stated he could be killed by 4 tails naruto, what do you think km naruto could do?
8. Even if orochimaru controls the hokages, What do you think that GAI and Kakashi naruto with kurama chakra share and lets say sai for sealing would do to oro and the 4 hokages? Considering rock lee fodderized edo Madara team naruto would crush them with imputiny.

Orochimaru isn't the greatest shinobi of all time, face it.
Ps maybe you aren't creepy but being an oro fanboy connotates "creepy"

Yeah, but I don't even think Orochimaru fanboys think he's the strongest. He's not even near the top 10! I totally agree with you though about Orochimaru being creepy. In his debut I was just thinking, "EWWWWWWWWWW! I HATE tongue creepers!" He's also a pedophile

 

[Darkdeeds]

Minato has said to have been surpassed by naruto, so now he couldn't take on km naruto plus others, that's absurdity at its finest.
You are speculating about who is gonna get kuramas other half. Stop it.
Kurama filled alliance could stomp edo hokages quite easily if they can stop the Juubi plus Madara and obito.

Only read the first page but you do realize the shinobi alliance with kurama chakra beating one person hardly makes a person not the strongest.... That would mean that there really isn't a strongest seeing as an ARMY filled with a biju's chakra is pretty much gonna beat any one person.

 

[The Alchemist]

Lord Orochimaru is simply a bad ass, he's died like three times and still comes back with that trademark smirk and laugh. He's not the strongest, but he is the Boss of villains in the Narutoverse.