Enma Staff(Hiruzen's Summon) strength

[Mellanoma]

Enma Staff strength seems to be quite underrated in the series. Basing it off of manga feats it is much more powerful than many people want to accept. I also believe Enma's strength may be dependent on Hiruzen's strength as well but here are some examples

Examples:

Pushing 100% Kurama out of the village

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Kurama after Kushina held him for Minato to seal

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Clearly the brute size of Kurama was drastically cut including his overall strength.


Now lets analyze 50% Kurama

Tanking Senjutsu Giant Rasengan effortlessly at 50% Kurama

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Matching Perfect Susanoo in strength and doesn't move at all (50% Kurama)

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With this being said how can people doubt the sheer strength of Hiruzen and Enma staff especially when we saw what he could do 12 years younger against a full powered Kurama​

 

[wanderingcactus]

I agree that Prime Hiruzen is the GOAT

 

[Sagebee]

When did hiruzen push out kurama

 

[startup98]

When did hiruzen push out kurama

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[ninjarasengan]

Enma Staff strength seems to be quite underrated in the series. Basing it off of manga feats it is much more powerful than many people want to accept. I also believe Enma's strength may be dependent on Hiruzen's strength as well but here are some examples

Examples:

Pushing 100% Kurama out of the village

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With this being said how can people doubt the sheer strength of Hiruzen and Enma staff especially when we saw what he could do 12 years younger against a full powered Kurama​

Manga showed no such thing...how Kurama was push out of the village was left ambiguous.

No staff retracting to Normal size...no Hiruzen saying i've managed to push it out of the village.


In fact he says " We've driven him out of the Village" and he is backed by many ninja

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Filler=D

 

[rollin]

I agree that hiruzens staff is underrated especially how he held back full kurama but 50% kurama and Narutos combined chakra is stronger than 100%kurama

 

[Nobel]

Manga showed no such thing...how Kurama was push out of the village was left ambiguous.

No staff retracting to Normal size...no Hiruzen saying i've managed to push it out of the village.


In fact he says " We've driven him out of the Village" and he is backed by many ninja





Filler=D

Wrong. It's a perfectly reasonable showcase of his versatility , hiruzen fought alone against the wooden statue that not even the Gokage plus the entire shinobi force could keep up with. Hiruzen>bijuu's.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Wrong. It's a perfectly reasonable showcase of his versatility , hiruzen fought alone against the wooden statue that not even the Gokage plus the entire shinobi force could keep up with. Hiruzen>bijuu's.

So, where is that filler drawn out in the manga...I suppose Kurama breaths fire like a dragon and creates twisters with claw swipes eh?

He had unlimited Edo chakra didn't he?:bdpf:

 

[Nobel]

So, where is that filler drawn out in the manga...I suppose Kurama breaths fire like a dragon and creates twisters with claw swipes eh?

He had unlimited Edo chakra didn't he?:bdpf:

Do you lack reading comprehsion or is just fatally insecure? The anime did not contradict the databook or manga in any way, they just showcased a brief glimpse of hiruzen's versalitity. The original source (manga & databook) make him even more powerful than those displayed feats.
And Is that your excuse?, that he had unlimited chakra? Ok you tell me who has better possiblities to win, a edo tensei Ebisu against the wooden statue or the entire shinobi force against the wooden statue?. "It's quality not quantity my friend."


You should engrave those words into your soul. And then again, by your logic it would mean that the entire gokage + shinobi squadron would have lost against kurama.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Do you lack reading comprehsion or is just fatally insecure? The anime did not contradict the databook or manga in any way, they just showcased a brief glimpse of hiruzen's versalitity. The original source (manga & databook) make him even more powerful than those displayed feats.
And Is that your excuse?, that he had unlimited chakra? Ok you tell me who has better possiblities to win, a edo tensei Ebisu against the wooden statue or the entire shinobi force against the wooden statue?. "It's quality not quantity my friend."


You should engrave those words into your soul. And then again, by your logic it would mean that the entire gokage + shinobi squadron would have lost against kurama.

To bold. That might be you bro. My original post and your response....

Me...
"Manga showed no such thing...how Kurama was push out of the village was left ambiguous.

No staff retracting to Normal size...no Hiruzen saying i've managed to push it out of the village.


In fact he says " We've driven him out of the Village" and he is backed by many ninja

Filler"

You...
"Wrong. It's a perfectly reasonable showcase of his versatility , hiruzen fought alone against the wooden statue that not even the Gokage plus the entire shinobi force could keep up with. Hiruzen>bijuu's. "

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