[Question] Enel vs

[24 12 11 to troll]

The last time Ace had a real fight was 10 volumes before Marineford and even AT Marineford Oda didnt yet know how to show Haki

If Tashigi has Haki and the 2nd div Commander of the WB pirates, a pseudo-legend even in the NW AND WB's main contender for the title of the PK doesn't, that's just moronic

If you want to follow Haki by strict portrayal than you also have to say that Vergo's Haki is stronger than Haki Of everyone at Marineford combined

Which is exactly why speculation is acceptable in this discussion... Riker Slade sees it otherwise...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Which is exactly why speculation is acceptable in this discussion... Riker Slade sees it otherwise...

Speculation on how strong his Haki is would be acceptable, not speculation that grants him an ability he's never been shown or stated to have. We can't just give people abilities they've never shown. Otherwise, what's stopping me from saying Nami can create F-5 tornadoes, or island-erasing hurricanes and tsunamis?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Speculation on how strong his Haki is would be acceptable, not speculation that grants him an ability he's never been shown or stated to have. We can't just give people abilities they've never shown. Otherwise, what's stopping me from saying Nami can create F-5 tornadoes, or island-erasing hurricanes and tsunamis?

What's stopping you? Well, perhaps the fact that Ace has feats with other forms of Haki, and you simply blew Nami's abilities out of proportion which is entirely different to thinking Ace's supposed Haki surmounted to (in conjunction with the Mera Mera no Mi) the level of strength we are familiar with.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What's stopping you? Well, perhaps the fact that Ace has feats with other forms of Haki, and you simply blew Nami's abilities out of proportion which is entirely different to thinking Ace's supposed Haki surmounted to (in conjunction with the Mera Mera no Mi) the level of strength we are familiar with.

What feats? He has no Observation Haki feats, no Armament feats, and one page of using Conqueror's unconsciously. Ace has nothing that suggests he's good enough in Haki to defeat Enel. Giving someone with zero Buso feats strong enough Buso to defeat a Logia is also blowing things out of proportion, as you are giving value to a category that the manga has currently given zero.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What feats? He has no Observation Haki feats, no Armament feats, and one page of using Conqueror's unconsciously. Ace has nothing that suggests he's good enough in Haki to defeat Enel. Giving someone with zero Buso feats strong enough Buso to defeat a Logia is also blowing things out of proportion, as you are giving value to a category that the manga has currently given zero.

Anyone with any Busoshoku Haki of any level can, technically defeat a Logia. You're hyping Enel up too much. His Devil Fruit is superior to Aces in terms of destructive capability, but lightning doesn't effect fire (other than making Flames stronger and hotter). So, Enel would only complement Ace in combat anyways.

Besides that, you really don't get a scope of how essential Haki is to the New World, and for someone like Ace (of that Caliber) not to have it is simply ludicrous.

I am giving value to something most likely, which doesn't add anything to a characters strength as we already know where Ace stands. You're giving value to EoS Nami that hasn't happened yet.

 

[jiraiya lives]

fast as lighting but slower than base luffy in combat speed :|

He gets beat by everyone on that list except for crocodile and maybe Ace. Law embarrasses him with room/radio knife combo or a haki laced injection shot, Doflamingo and WB are>>>>>>>>>>>base Luffy skypia saga hand to hand skill so they rape. Plus Dofla and WB can attack with haki and from a long range.

Enel is overrated tbh, anyone on Dofla's level and above or has hax like law would make quick work of Enel