[Discussion] Enel stomps luffy and Akainu... well old luffy .....

[Black Mamba]

Not this again...


Yeah the Goro Goro no Mi is probably the strongest Logia. But Rubber INSULATES electric currents, so Luffy would remain unaffected. No asspulls, just an exaggeration of real life situations.


For Enel to defeat Akainu, firstly we would need to determine the temperature of Enels lightning, as it can range from approximately 30,000°C to approximately 6,000°C. Magma temperatures range from between 1,500°C to 7,000°C. So depending on the temperature of the Lightning he could stomp Sakazuki (DF's alone) OR be stomped by Sakazuki (DF's alone).


Next Enel will need to have Busoshoku Haki on the same level as Sakazuki (or higher). As far as we know Enel cannot even use Busoshoku Haki, so basically he can't harm Sakazuki and therefore under no circumstances; win. I also have suspicions that the Admiral tier characters all have superior Kenbushoku Haki than Enel anyways.

magma doesn't go past 1500'C and lightning is 30000'C (5 times hotter than the surfuce of the sun) since Ace got burned by mamga, that means Enel can burn Akainu(this is regarding haki)

Enel is better at observation haki because his fruit enhances it extremely he could hear and sense every person on skypiea

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

magma doesn't go past 1500'C and lightning is 30000'C (5 times hotter than the surfuce of the sun) since Ace got burned by mamga, that means Enel can burn Akainu(this is regarding haki)

Enel is better at observation haki because his fruit enhances it extremely he could hear and sense every person on skypiea

You're wrong. It depends on the contents in the atmosphere and which gases get ignited by a lightning strike as it varies from each and every lightning strike.

Enel would need Busoshoku Haki to burn Sakazuki. Which he doesn't have and therefore cannot do. His sense of hearing has nothing to do with CoO. His Devil Fruit just made his hearing superhuman, but if I remember correctly Haki resides in the eyes and utilizes sight etc.
- Go tell that to Isshou who has CoO on 24/7 due to his blindness

 

[Black Mamba]

You're wrong. It depends on the contents in the atmosphere and which gases get ignited by a lightning strike as it varies from each and every lightning strike.

Enel would need Busoshoku Haki to burn Sakazuki. Which he doesn't have and therefore cannot do. His sense of hearing has nothing to do with CoO. His Devil Fruit just made his hearing superhuman, but if I remember correctly Haki resides in the eyes and utilizes sight etc.
- Go tell that to Isshou who has CoO on 24/7 due to his blindness

Enel easily melted a huge chunk of gold into a ball in secs. I'm pretty his lightning is hotter than Akainu's magma.

I already said Enel's DF > Akainu's DF excluding haki

Good point with Fujitora, it looks like his been blind for awhile so he has to have his CoO trained more than other Admirals

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Enel easily melted a huge chunk of gold into a ball in secs. I'm pretty his lightning is hotter than Akainu's magma.

I already said Enel's DF > Akainu's DF excluding haki

Good point with Fujitora, it looks like his been blind for awhile so he has to have his CoO trained more than other Admirals

Magma can do the same considering all Lava is hotter than Golds melting point (1,064 °C) when straight from the source.

I think Luffy's CoO is nearly as good as Enels now. So basically Enel has got a lot of room for improvement with all types of Haki in my opinion

 

[BlueToweR12]

Haki punch would kill Enel

Seriously for a guy who is lightening, he moves pretty slow.

Enel gave his highest voltage and he got blitzed in a few occasions.

Akainu would be just another rapefest

Why he moves so slow? So the viewer (anime) can see him. Like Kizaru. Both shouldn't be visible with normal eyes. It would be extremly hax. Faster than anyone can react.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Hmmm, I gotta agree.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Enel>Akainu fruit wise

Akainu>>>>>Enel skill wise, haki wise, hand to hand wise,

 

[chopstickchakra]

Enel should have been able to one shot luffy in their battle I think Oda wrote himself in a corner and had to do some ass pull to have luffy win and here's why

the simple fact is luffy shouldn't be immune to his lightning even if he is rubber. Rubber is indeed an insulator but there is no such thing as a perfect insulator. ALL MATTER CONDUCTS ELECTRICITY WITH A HIGH ENOUGH VOLTAGE. Rubber can only take so much before it goes through electrical breakdown and becomes a conductor and that limit is way below 200 million volt's (enel's max) the biggest proof I can offer you is that enel easily sends his attacks through the air which has way higher dielectric strength (the factor is determining how well a insulator works) than RUBBER does...

lets not even mention the fact that lightning can reach temperatures 5 times greater than the sun....why doesn't luffy melt and why didn't he melt when he was hit by Akainu. Akainu should lose to Enel if he is not using Haki

I mean we all know current luffy is a different story with Haki and all thats a toss up I don't know how well haki conducts electricity so there's no telling...

My point is Oda should have thought a little more about the fight and not that ass pull shit that happened

How about taking into account that you can survive higher voltage strikes more frequently than lower voltage? Many humans survive being struck by lightning, yet if you step on a third rail you're dead. That plus Luffy's natural resistance to electricity would make Enel's attack nothing more than a shock.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Not this again...
Oh f*ck off

Yeah the Goro Goro no Mi is probably the strongest Logia. But Rubber INSULATES electric currents, so Luffy would remain unaffected. No asspulls, just an exaggeration of real life situations.


For Enel to defeat Akainu, firstly we would need to determine the temperature of Enels lightning, as it can range from approximately 30,000°C to approximately 6,000°C. Magma temperatures range from between 1,500°C to 7,000°C. So depending on the temperature of the Lightning he could stomp Sakazuki (DF's alone) OR be stomped by Sakazuki (DF's alone).


Next Enel will need to have Busoshoku Haki on the same level as Sakazuki (or higher). As far as we know Enel cannot even use Busoshoku Haki, so basically he can't harm Sakazuki and therefore under no circumstances; win. I also have suspicions that the Admiral tier characters all have superior Kenbushoku Haki than Enel anyways.

Akainu stated he was able to harm Ace because magma can burn even fire. No Haki was involved, it was all due to Akainu's fruit being superior because of heat. If Akainu can harm Ace, no Haki needed, because his DF is superior, then Enel can harm Akainu because of DF, no Haki needed. Enel can freely make his lightning strong enough to smelt gold and rock, you think he can't make it hot enough to surpass Akainu's magma?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Akainu stated he was able to harm Ace because magma can burn even fire. No Haki was involved, it was all due to Akainu's fruit being superior because of heat. If Akainu can harm Ace, no Haki needed, because his DF is superior, then Enel can harm Akainu because of DF, no Haki needed. Enel can freely make his lightning strong enough to smelt gold and rock, you think he can't make it hot enough to surpass Akainu's magma?

Considering Magma is smelted rock and Magma melts Gold I'm pretty sure you're missing the plot. Sakazuki can do the same and there are no hints to suggest Enels lightning reaches the maximum temperature (requires high amounts of Hydrogen in the air anyways)

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Well about Luffy's rubber you gotta remember that the wax made ny the devil's candle is as strong as steel so the devil's rubber too is far more exagarated in many other aspects as compared to ormal rubber but yah if Enel used Gloam puddling on Luffy he wld melt is what shld happen.

Anyways Enel just so happened to turn off his CoO as luffy's rifle was coming is what happened