Ending the Itachi vs. Kakashi debate Part 1: 3T Kakashi > 3T Itachi
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I am afraid I don't agree, at all. Itachi is just a far superior fighter overall. First of all, in CQC and speed, there is just no contest. Itach's speed was enough to keep Killer Bee - the guy is faster than KCM Naruto - and KCM Naruto on their toes. He parried KB's Seven Sword Dance without breaking a sweat. Kakahsi has displayed literally nothing to warrant his win against Itachi on this ground. War arc Kakashi's speed feats are not even marginally better than his mid part two feats. I am not sure how you are under the impression that in CQC he would even manage a hit on Itachi of all the people.
His Bushin making speed - or handseal speed to be precise - far outclasses Kakashi's. Sasuke, whose eyes are canonically superior than Itachi's, could not detect when Itachi made the Kage Bushins. That is how fast he is. In regards to tools management, Kakashi is practically slaughtered. He nearly matched Sasuke's Shurikenjustu and Sasuke's is practically untouchable in the manga, and he guarded himself with a kunai - a freaking kunai - against Sasuke's use of Fuma Shuriken. That is a colossal feat as Sasuke's finesse with them is incredible that even Orochimaru was fooled easily. And that was part one.
What does Kakashi have to counter this? Nothing. How is he countering a barrage of Shuriken Jutsu from a guy who matched Sasuke's strikes? Kakashi has zero feats that even come close to this. Not to mention his fiddling with Kunais doesn't match Itachi's. In CQC, their skill was evident, when a 30 % clone whose entire stats were locked at this figure - Speed, Ninjutsu, Strength etc - when he couldn't overpower him and needed to hold him and wait for Naruto to finish the job. How can you even assume that Itachi at 100% stats would be matched, or God forbid it, overpowered in combat by Kakashi of all the people? You cannot be serious.
Genjutsu is still a viable option, as Itachi has the two prerequisites that give his eyes the maximum potency: Uchiha Blood and Body. It would be pointless to assume that Kakashi will not get trapped in 3T Genjutsu at CQC or not at all. It is a very viable option for Itachi, when he possesses - after Sasuke - the most powerful eyes in the entire clan that was present at that time. No to mention the fact that he has a knack for Genjutsu.
As far as Ninjutsu goes, then Kakashi doesn't have any long ranged decent techniques to fend off Itachi. All his useful ones are CQC based - Chidori - and those are automatically rendered useless by Itachi's far far - and I mean far - superior speed and reaction rate. He has nothing on him to take Itachi down. And I am not even counting Izanami and crow clones that Itachi can use to mount the pressure even more.
If they do fight at this level then it's mid Difficulty at most for Itachi on his very bad day. I also haven't touched on Kenjutsu. I mean, he was swift enough to cut Kabuto's horn. I am not sure why people believe this guy to be special.
His Bushin making speed - or handseal speed to be precise - far outclasses Kakashi's. Sasuke, whose eyes are canonically superior than Itachi's, could not detect when Itachi made the Kage Bushins. That is how fast he is. In regards to tools management, Kakashi is practically slaughtered. He nearly matched Sasuke's Shurikenjustu and Sasuke's is practically untouchable in the manga, and he guarded himself with a kunai - a freaking kunai - against Sasuke's use of Fuma Shuriken. That is a colossal feat as Sasuke's finesse with them is incredible that even Orochimaru was fooled easily. And that was part one.
What does Kakashi have to counter this? Nothing. How is he countering a barrage of Shuriken Jutsu from a guy who matched Sasuke's strikes? Kakashi has zero feats that even come close to this. Not to mention his fiddling with Kunais doesn't match Itachi's. In CQC, their skill was evident, when a 30 % clone whose entire stats were locked at this figure - Speed, Ninjutsu, Strength etc - when he couldn't overpower him and needed to hold him and wait for Naruto to finish the job. How can you even assume that Itachi at 100% stats would be matched, or God forbid it, overpowered in combat by Kakashi of all the people? You cannot be serious.
Genjutsu is still a viable option, as Itachi has the two prerequisites that give his eyes the maximum potency: Uchiha Blood and Body. It would be pointless to assume that Kakashi will not get trapped in 3T Genjutsu at CQC or not at all. It is a very viable option for Itachi, when he possesses - after Sasuke - the most powerful eyes in the entire clan that was present at that time. No to mention the fact that he has a knack for Genjutsu.
As far as Ninjutsu goes, then Kakashi doesn't have any long ranged decent techniques to fend off Itachi. All his useful ones are CQC based - Chidori - and those are automatically rendered useless by Itachi's far far - and I mean far - superior speed and reaction rate. He has nothing on him to take Itachi down. And I am not even counting Izanami and crow clones that Itachi can use to mount the pressure even more.
If they do fight at this level then it's mid Difficulty at most for Itachi on his very bad day. I also haven't touched on Kenjutsu. I mean, he was swift enough to cut Kabuto's horn. I am not sure why people believe this guy to be special.
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Hearing about how stupid they are or looking at their obvious troll posts like "totsuka blitz gg" is one thing, having to debate them and find out that they actually believe in all of that horrendous pile of garbage is another. I've already declared war on these asshats as it is, and I won't stop until my word is heard and known on this damn site (well, at least until I have time to make the other thread Lol). I like Itachi and he's one of my favorite characters, but I certainly am not fond of these clowns that look at him like some sort of invincible god that can defeat anyone.
Anyways, shelke. Bring some new points to the table, because all I have to say to you is that I've countered those false claims that you've stated already, literally all of them. Maybe you'll respond with some new garbage which I'll proceed to call you out on like I just finished doing on some other uninformed Uchiha fan (he assumed that I was talking about part 1 Kakashi, that Kakashi got "negged" by Itachi in Part 1 when it was 3T vs. 3T, that Kakashi apparently can't maintain the sharingan active for more than 5 seconds because he's not an Uchiha), or perhaps you'll bring good points which I'll appraise and take into account, yet somehow I don't think that the latter is going to happen. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.
And really? Lmfao, get that shit out of here. I don't think vs section debating is for you if you think a shinobi can beat other kage level shinobi, let alone high jonin level shinobi, with this nonsense. Shame on you Zex for liking that post.
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I wouldn't ever look at you as rude. It's just what you think, after all. Nothing wrong with that.
As for subjective reasoning, biased perception, false claims, etc- to each their own I guess. People view things differently and any "vs" fight is a hypothetical situation. Anyone debating a close fight is going to seem "biased", seem "subjective", and make their own claims when another with a differing view looks at their post. The fight never happened, so any fan has their own view of how it would go down.
The lack of implementing new manga scans isn't necessarily a negative, either. Yes, manga scans are helpful to prove points but many things fans remember since we read the same manga. Then again, an argument w/o manga scans is pretty lack-luster, so I concede on that.
Yes, I seem biased since I have a relatively clear stance on the issue. Just as some hard-core Kakashi fans that commented in this thread believe that any version of Kakashi beats any respective version of Itachi. And how I said in an earlier post that some of your points seemed biased imo.
I think that one MS Kakashi beats Itachi, DMS Kakashi beats Itachi easily, and 3-tomoe/no-sharingan lose. I've seen their feats as well, their quotes, have my views on their personalities- and that's just what I think. Many factors come into this like starting distance, location, and whatever else. And if this were going to be a canon fight, Kishimoto would just write a way for either to win. I don't think it's impossible (not that you said it was impossible, I'm just saying) for 3-tomoe Itachi to beat 3-tomoe Kakashi high-diff.
My point is that a "vs" fight is pretty subjective to begin with. All people are afforded with are some knowledge on a character's techs and the way they act, then the rest is up to them and how they debate. When people come to a conclusion it's not going to be a 100% definite one, even after an extensive thread.
I think you do care who wins the fight. You went to all the trouble of researching Kakashi's best points and posting this thread. Plus, you're responding to everyone.
Most people agreeing and stating this conclusion of the OP was obvious are known Kakashi fans/wankers. Most disagreeing and not giving good replies to it are Itachi fans/wankers.
Yeah, you're implying that your thread holds more weight since you don't have a character preference- but I think you do prefer Kakashi as a character. Even if it's just a little. Which isn't a bad thing, no one can really like two characters equally unless they were the exact same.
No one is ever going to prove you wrong here in a way that you'll be satisfied. Even if older debaters were here from 2011/2012. If canon material existed that would be "undeniable", "undivided", and "legitimate", then it wouldn't be arguable and this thread wouldn't even be needed since the entire fandom would know that "x character wins". The winner of this isn't as obvious as some other matchups with larger power gaps between opponents. But you know this (everyone does, this debate won't ever end until the series fandom dies out eventually) and just wanted to state your points, which is cool.
Doesn't really put a "collective dunce cap on the whole fanbase" when most serious Itachi fans aren't on NB. Or even the NB-side of the fandom since wankers don't represent the entirety of any fanbase.
Also, no need for dunce caps. lol
Sorry for typing these walls of text for this post. Isn't really a rebuttal, more just info on my perspective. (Yeah, it's useless to you, but oh well. xD ) You did make a really nice thread, good points, and put much effort into this. But there's no way to "end this debate" since people will always disagree with these two, unless Kishimoto woke up tomorrow and said "so-and-so wins".
@bold- They never were a part of "ItachiBase". ItachiBase is just a wank group.
And @ last sentence- Hmm, maybe. And yeah, my posts for "vs" debates do suck, we get it. Lol
@bold- Yes, the first few posts were filled with it. They weren't really serious and sounded pretty condescending. Lol
Let's not exaggerate here. Wankbase =/= Fanbase. At least not always.
Not sure where I mentioned 5 seconds or whatever. Whatever you countered with wasn't enough properly. For someone bawling garbage, you should read posts with both eyes open. Let's not get full of ourselves:
- Speed? War arc Kakashi is superior to Itachi? This is laughably false. Can I get one scan other than the ones you misinterpreted?
- Genjutsu isn't a viable option, how? I have read the clone trick of yours and Kakashi didn't see through it, the clone was prepped precisely for that occasion. All individuals in Genjutsu are mostly aware of the situation. It doesn't mean they can break it. Next.
- Raikiri is again a CQC feat and in this department, Kakashi isn't superior.
- What about his poor Taijutsu skills? Or with any major tools that don't match Itachi's? I would need solid scans for this. Saying War arc doesn't give a free pass to this argument, when Kakashi's war arc feats were a combination of Kamui and Kurama's chakra.
Let's get real.
What is left? The rest is hodgepodge of argumentation with little evidence behind it.
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Ok, because I don't want to make enemies (except for the ****ing idiots obviously, but I don't peg you as one) here.
Well you just stated what I was trying to hint at you my whole post, no point in saying anything else. Reading the same manga doesn't mean anything when not everyone has the same level of reading comprehension, retention, knowledge, and objectivity.As for subjective reasoning, biased perception, false claims, etc- to each their own I guess. People view things differently and any "vs" fight is a hypothetical situation. Anyone debating a close fight is going to seem "biased", seem "subjective", and make their own claims when another with a differing view looks at their post. The fight never happened, so any fan has their own view of how it would go down.
The lack of implementing new manga scans isn't necessarily a negative, either. Yes, manga scans are helpful to prove points but many things fans remember since we read the same manga. Then again, an argument w/o manga scans is pretty lack-luster, so I concede on that.
The thing is, you can't just say that I'm biased and not effectively counter anything I've said nor any of the source material that I've cited and referenced throughout my post. Debating in this section doesn't work like that, and has never worked like that from all of the old threads and posts I've read.
Maybe to a point, but not really. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge, skill, reading comprehension, etc., etc.
Not really, and I have considered all of Itachi's skills and feats. I just haven't seen anybody that has effectively weaved it into a decent argument against my case, with all due respect to you, Zhoom, and Zexion.I think you do care who wins the fight. You went to all the trouble of researching Kakashi's best points and posting this thread. Plus, you're responding to everyone.
Just so you know, T Bogard is a good debater and is an Itachi fan. Icelerate and Xlad are among the best on the site and agree with what I've had to say, and they are primarily fans of other characters.
It holds more weight because I've taken into account both characters feats and abilities while the Uchiha/Itachi fans on here hace not done the same.
Nope, you still have Magatsu Izanagi who could prove me wrong. There's Forbidden Technique, Strict, or FloriGori that could come out of the blue and shit on my points. If someone says something right and supported by both logical reasoning and the manga, then I'll agree. If not, then I won't... which has been the case here.
With the Itachi fanbase, uh yeah, you do, and they do represent the whole fandom unfortunately
Suit yourself, I suppose.Sorry for typing these walls of text for this post. Isn't really a rebuttal, more just info on my perspective. (Yeah, it's useless to you, but oh well. xD ) You did make a really nice thread, good points, and put much effort into this. But there's no way to "end this debate" since people will always disagree with these two, unless Kishimoto woke up tomorrow and said "so-and-so wins".
Well whoever's alt that is he clearly knows more about the Base's past debaters than I do, and I already know that some of those guys are indeed big Itachi fans, which means that they are part of ItachiBase aka his fanbase, not the wank group that was created with like 1,000 members.
Smh, now shelke is trying to put words in my mouth. Nice tactic, too bad that doesn't work against even a semi-conscious person.
And yep, the rest is garbage, as I expected.
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Now you are just coming across as a cheap wanker:
Shurken-Jutsu:
- Worked against Orochimaru.
- Worked against Deidara.
Both far superior than 3 T Kakashi and both Kage level opponents. It worked against Itachi as well. That makes three Kage level opponents.
- Saved KCM Naruto multiple times against Jins.
- Shielded him against Ae.
- Provided support to BM even when he was bound.
- Reacted faster than BM Naruto agaisnt Obito's Kmaui Shurikens.
Yeah, I stand by what I said.
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There's one thing that I must note though: Izanami is completely and utterly redundant in this matchup. In other words, it's immaterial to whether Kakashi wins or not. Izanami only works on those who are use Izanagi, or those who don't acknowledge their own results and try to run away from themselves. Kabuto was trying to be like Orochimaru, hence he was running away from who he really was, which was the reason that he got caught in the loop. In other words, Kakashi is never even going to be caught in the loop in the first place as he doesn't fit either of the 2 criteria. You may as well unrestrict it IMO.
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- What do you mean, Obviously Kakuzu can stop the attack after he's fired it. Kakashi stated his attack wouldn't be able to stop the combo. So I would assume that Kakashi held back the technique from Kakuzu and then Kakuzu himself stopped the masks from streaming fire and wind in order to sneak up on him, and if Kakuzu wanted he could of had the masks continue to stream fire and wind in order to overpower Kakashi. Because again it would make no sense if Kakashi said he couldn't stop the fire but then he does.....It's should be logical to think Kakuzu stopped the masks. Also you said he could stop the mask after he fired the attack, why is that? So in the end Kakashi never really stopped the attack properly and would of been overpowered if not for Kakuzu stopping the attack, so yeah it should stop Itachi's katon but not overpower it to the degree you're implying. As for Kakashi's growth you're assuming too much seeing how Kakashi's other Justus apart from Kamui didn't improve much, plus most of Kakashi improvement with kamui comes from when he has Kurama's chakra.
- As for the scan you posted, Kakashi's suiton did match it in length but not width, though some of it did evaporate so I will compensate for that saying it was nearly the same size of Kakuzu's attack. But again Itachi's suiton seemingly did fill a section of a rather large cave
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(that's not even all of it), which to me is just as impressive than Kakashi's suiton but both of the feats are comparable to each other plus it's noted Itachi has powerful chakra
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and the stronger than chakra the stronger than ninjustu. So again both feats are comparable while Itachi has the stronger chakra aswell, while Kakashi didn't really show much improvement with normal ninjustu. Though you do make a good point about the water dragon so that's why at best Kakashi is slight better than Itachi at Suiton.- Aight cool, that makes it easier on me if you don't count Kakashi having katon. You're really over-exaggerating things, Kakashi is not a ration master when he know four moves, when one of them is a variant of raikiri. So yeah at best Kakashi is a above average katon and ration user while also being an adept doton user. So yes he's better than Itachi at ninjustu but not to the degree you're implying.
- As for the clones, none of Kakashi's clones prove as a good as a distraction as Itachi's crow clones , while exploding clones can cause harm. The only type of clones that Kakashi has that is better than Itachi's clones are his ration clones. Overall Itachi has the better clones. Though Kakashi saw through one of Itachi's clones doesn't mean he's seeing though multiple ones.
- I know it isn't mud, but it still isn't blocking the katon. You can't say because he didn't see through it in canon he won't see through hiding mole all the time, as the circumstances in canon were different. Itachi was fighting Kakashi, Naruto, that old lady and Chiyo, while he's only dealing with Kakashi now.
- Kakashi is barley better in suiton, while most of his doton arsenal is useless and he's skilled in ration. Kakashi only has one clones that more useful than Itachi's and Kakashi never uses the rasengan, the gap in injustu is not as nearly wide as you think.
- Never said it put him above Kakashi in kenjustu just overall ninja tool usage. Since you want to bring this up, Itachi was dominating Sasuke in CQC with a kunai and Sasuke has shown more proficiency with a sword than Zabuza and most of the featless swordsman. Which trumps any feats Kakashi has in the department, as for your other points they're irrelevant my point was to show Itachi has more skill with ninja tools. If Kakashi has to resort to incorporating ninjustu it just proves my point.
- I think it does, a Susanoo arrow is fast but not hyped to be as nearly as fast as Kirin so yeah it's a good feat but not comparable to Itachi's. Again you keep on referring to to they stalemated in canon, first thing Itachi was really looking to beat out Kakashi on tai but instead to put him in a genjustu. Plus Itachi states the clones of themselves have limited strength
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- Well Base Naruto has already shown impressive feats in taijustu
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. KCM improves his movement and reaction speed greatly so he should be pretty good in CQC unless you implying Kakashi bullies him in taijustu. Plus even though it was short Kakashi seemingly couldn't straight up land a clean hit on a injured and fatigued Sasuke in CQC
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. Compared to Itachi dominating a much healthier Sasuke. Itachi was sick and still outright dominated Sasuke in CQC when he had his sword, while Kakashi couldn't land a clean blow on a hurt and tired Sasuke with no sword. Kakashi doesn't have the means to evade Bee's sword style, unless Kakashi's reaction are way better than Sasuke's which they are not. As for the the v2 Jins, Kakashi lands two hit and then is thrown back a couple pages later
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, but even then it's still not better than Edo Itachi's reaction feat I pointed out earlier.- lol You're trying to make it out like I'm wanking Itachi. Itachi should be able to dodge Kakashi in CQC due to superior reaction and movement speed.
- Too bad Kakashi only has more physical strength while Itachi his better hand to hand along with skill and reflexes. Plus footspeed is a big factor.
- Again that as Itachi at 30% plus he can't focus only on Itachi when Naruto, Sakura and Chiyo is also there. So Kakashi stalemate a Itachi clone at 30% doesn't mean he's doing that to the real thing. Though Naruto was being defensive it's sill an impressive feat, while the KillerBee feat was more to show off his reactions. While Kakashi's best taijustu is going against Kakuzu and Hidan, while as you said Itachi punked Sasuke while being sick. But don't tell me you're gonna claim Kakuzu and Hidan are better at CQC than Hebi Sasuke.
- Please show me evidence where it says sharingan gives an immunity to genjustu all genjustu below MS level, because last time I checked it was visual genjustu not all genjustu. Plus you talk about the Uchiha blood like it's not important when it is.
- Same goes for you, the burden of proof is one you. It has never been stated that sharingan gives you an immunity to all MS genjustu and below, as soon as I pointed out sound gen you changed your argument to all gen apart fro sound based.
- True but we have nothing else but feats to base it on, which realy doesn't help you since Itachi's feats are better.
- People who receive the same score ain't the exact same speed, please the databook isn't completely reliable.
- Again that eat is good but still doesn't close the gap, the main reason is we don't know how fast
Asa Kujaku so Kakashi keeping up with it doesn't really prove much.
-Again how is Kakashi faster, plus Itachi didn't really use body flicker in that scan and when did did Bee was gonna get blitzed. So him only being a bit faster than Bee (which he isn't) isn't going to help him at at all.
-Hmm you have a good point. But then again taka and Sasuke failed to hit any good hits on Bee so it's still safe to assume that Bee is a good deal faster than Sasuke who's comparable to Kakashi. Plus Bee was fast enough to block a punch from v1 Ayy and even surprise him (bare some say he outpaced Ayy)while he was in the air
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I know Ayy didn't really us his body flicker but it looked like Naruto wouldn't of been able to defend himself due to the punch's speed.-That feat is unreliable because it happened off screen and correct if I'm wrong but weren't the jins in Bijuu mode at the time.
-Pretty sure he suspected it, Itachi himself didn't really seem surprised when it was a clone, but then again you're more likely right on this point. Though I don't see how he got faked out in part 1, the way it played out it seemed like he was aiming for Kurenai at the start. But yeah I agreed that Kakashi has better clone feints. But again feinting a SM user is more impressive than feinting a Rinnengan user, just throwing that out there.
-Pretty sure Kakashi said he had a strategy to fight Pain with, we never saw what he would of done making the point useless. Though again the Kaguya feats was impressive, both Itachi and Kakashi have ot really good feats to their name but both of Itachi's feats were on the spot while Kakashi had time to analyse Kaguya. Again his feat against Obito was only there because he had seen Kamui in action and suspected that their S/T Justus were link only after seeing his kunai scratch Obito's mask. You bring up Shkiamru, though it was stated in the manga Shikmaru shows superior intellect and planning in the Hidan fight. I would really like to see what makes Kakashi stronger than Shikmaru, until then you only have some hype for Kakashi.
-Great Fire Ball justu isn't really a high level technique and Itachi started off his fight against Kakashi with this, and his mud wall gets blown away his only option is to use the hiding mole move like in canon where Itachi should see him clearly.
-Again you have yet to bring evidence to Kakashi being able to see through genjustu, along with Kakashi stalemating Itachi has already been addresses he stalemated a weaker clone version. If the fight was to enter CQC Itachi would gain the upper though his overall superior refaxes, footspeed and tool usage. You said yourself Kakashi is a bit faster than Bee, who still was slow enough to the point where he would of got blitzed if not for Naruto. Kakashi is getting badly overwhelmed due to the gap in footspeed and ration streamed weapons should be avoided. While Kakashi has better clones feints Itachi should be able to set up one in the midst for CQC, seeing how he was able to weave signs for one in his shuriken with Sasuke. Itachi's handseal speed is much faster than Kakashi and should be able to do this while engaging in tai. while Kakashi has never shown to able to apply ration to his water stream and if Kakashi attempts to use a clone to trap him it get countered by Itachi's very own clone. Kakashi is not spamming Raiton infused weapons, you're grossly overestimating his stamina. Lighting wolf may get Itachi depending on the range, but most likely it's getting dodged.
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I didn't read through this entire post, but to cover this paragraph here:
Kakashi saw through Obito's genjutsu.
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In regards to Kakashi's stamina, he used 8 raikiri(including variants), 5 kamui, 2 kage bunshins and 1 doton wall before receiving any healing/chakra from Kurama. His war arc self has the stamina to spam raiton attacks. You take away those 5 uses of kamui and you're looking at a ton more chakra for him to use for other things.
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In terms of speed, when using Raiden, Kakashi was able to move as fast as Gai could punch using Asa Kujaku when fighting the bijuu:
It can cover the distance between him and those bijuu arms as fast if not faster than Gai's Asa Kujaku reaches the attack Gai is fending off
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Implying his speed when using raikiri(as raiden is just him and a clone forming a chain of lightning with raikiri) is greatly enhanced. So he has means of matching Itachi in speed, if you want to imply that Itachi is somehow so much faster than Kakashi that it would hinder Kakashi in the fight.
Kakashi's stamina in the war arc pushed him over the edge in regards to facing 3T Itachi. Kishi went completely stupid in how much stamina he gave Kakashi, but then again, he turned it in to some mountain busting, DBZ-wannabe manga, so I guess he had to do something to let Kakashi sort of keep up with Naruto/Sasuke/Obito.
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EK, I'm gonna have to ask you to lemme finish. This is my war, and I want to ruin everybody by myself. My foot's sleeping on the gas. I appreciate the help, though.
...Though I wouldn't mind your help in my upcoming thread (MS Kakashi w/o offensive Kamui snipe beats unrestricted MS Itachi) ^_^
...Though I wouldn't mind your help in my upcoming thread (MS Kakashi w/o offensive Kamui snipe beats unrestricted MS Itachi) ^_^
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Ohh, that's getting a little iffy. It's possible..but iffy. There's 2 aspects of that fight that I ultimately question. One of them potentially resolved easier than the other. The speed of the one not so easily resolved is what makes me unsure.
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