Ending the Itach vs Minato debate

[ProdigyRokuX]

Dude I am both an Itachi and Minato fan and your argument is invalid.

You just threw out genjutsu because of the fact that we don't know how Minato would react to it. Well you can't do that.

No one is immune to genjutsu, the only thing is that some people can break out of it easier than others. So Minato would get caught in a genjutsu if he looked at Itachi's hands or eyes.

Then it all depends on how fast Minato can break the genjutsu. If he can't do it fast enough then he can be killed easily by Itachi in any number of ways.

Blaze Release was a little biased I will give you that, he forgot to mention a few of Minato's abilities, but the first scenario is where Minato would lose it.

Itachi uses genjutsu, Minato loses. Itachi's genjutsu doesn't work, Minato wins. It is pretty much as simple as that.

look you just said "it all depends".... thats why i left out genjutsu, if we dont know how he'll react or any techs. on genjutsu he has, how can i mention it.

i also left out fuinjutsu for the same reasons.... you cant really say my argument is invaild because i left out one thing we are unaware of..

and you still cant be very simplistic, saying "itachi wins if he gets genjutsu first or minato wins if he doesnt". thats like saying, the first one to hit the other one wins in a boxing match... you cant be simplistic.

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also, you make it seem like my post only revolved around genjutsu. i made othepoints.. they dont seem invalid to me. but if you want i can still provide ways itach can catch minato/ways minato wont be catched.. or whatever..

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

really? totsuka sword is 100x times better than any sealing tech out there

but totsuka sword requires susanoo', which minato can absorb.. or just evade until itachis chakra is gone..

 

[youngdubb]

Ok really IDE say with minato speed not even itachis MS could read his movements but with susano minato can't touch itachi but if he can manage to keep away from itachi attacks with susano long enough for itachi to use all his chakra then he could win but if he get caught by that sword it's over so I can't really say who would win..

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

really? totsuka sword is 100x times better than any sealing tech out there

Well let's not go that far. It is awesome and a one-hit kill, but sealing jutsus also have a huge variety of uses.

Like FTG, Minato uses sealing jutsu to teleport.

Minato also used seals to break Tobi's genjutsu control of the 9-tails, while tagging him for FTG.

The death reaper seal has a different use from the two four element seal that Minato used to seal the 9-tails.

Minato actually used them both on the 9-tails, and the Death reaper sealed away part of the 9-tails chakra for good, while the two 4 element seals just sealed the other half of the chakra into Naruto.

The Totsuka sword though only has one ability (other than just cutting of course) and that is too seal people forever into that sake jar.


So the Totsuka sword is awesome but it isn't the best sealing thing ever because it only has one use.


Oh and sorry for this off-topic post. I know it has nothing really to do with Minato vs. Itachi, but I have already said what I think about this battle.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

but totsuka sword requires susanoo', which minato can absorb.. or just evade until itachis chakra is gone..

am talking about that what am talking about is totsuka sword is the best when it comes to seal ur opponent

Well let's not go that far. It is awesome and a one-hit kill, but sealing jutsus also have a huge variety of uses.

Like FTG, Minato uses sealing jutsu to teleport.

Minato also used seals to break Tobi's genjutsu control of the 9-tails, while tagging him for FTG.

The death reaper seal has a different use from the two four element seal that Minato used to seal the 9-tails.

Minato actually used them both on the 9-tails, and the Death reaper sealed away part of the 9-tails chakra for good, while the two 4 element seals just sealed the other half of the chakra into Naruto.

The Totsuka sword though only has one ability (other than just cutting of course) and that is too seal people forever into that sake jar.


So the Totsuka sword is awesome but it isn't the best sealing thing ever because it only has one use.


Oh and sorry for this off-topic post. I know it has nothing really to do with Minato vs. Itachi, but I have already said what I think about this battle.

let me clear this totsuka sword is the best when it comes to seal your opponent

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

Ok really IDE say with minato speed not even itachis MS could read his movements but with susano minato can't touch itachi but if he can manage to keep away from itachi attacks with susano long enough for itachi to use all his chakra then he could win but if he get caught by that sword it's over so I can't really say who would win..

wow, again.. they dont even read.. minato can absorb susanoo'

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im gonna stress this until people stop using that as an argument lololol xd

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

look you just said "it all depends".... thats why i left out genjutsu, if we dont know how he'll react or any techs. on genjutsu he has, how can i mention it.

i also left out fuinjutsu for the same reasons.... you cant really say my argument is invaild because i left out one thing we are unaware of..

and you still cant be very simplistic, saying "itachi wins if he gets genjutsu first or minato wins if he doesnt". thats like saying, the first one to hit the other one wins in a boxing match... you cant be simplistic.

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also, you make it seem like my post only revolved around genjutsu. i made othepoints.. they dont seem invalid to me. but if you want i can still provide ways itach can catch minato/ways minato wont be catched.. or whatever..

I said it all depends but nothing has shown us that Minato has anything that can break him out of genjutsu quickly. Especially of Itachi's caliber.

And while I may have simplified this battle with that bolded quote, I actually wrote a longer response to Blaze Release on page 5 I believe, so I didn't feel the need to rewrite it.

In it I defend Minato from everything except genjutsu, since as of now Minato has no sure way of getting out of it in time to win this battle, and so the odds are heavily in Itachi's favor.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

wow, again.. they dont even read.. minato can absorb susanoo'

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im gonna stress this until people stop using that as an argument lololol xd

that was space time barrier in order for minato to absorb something the object need to get close or the other way around, and also it all depends on how fast minato can use that jutsu

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

I said it all depends but nothing has shown us that Minato has anything that can break him out of genjutsu quickly. Especially of Itachi's caliber.

And while I may have simplified this battle with that bolded quote, I actually wrote a longer response to Blaze Release on page 5 I believe, so I didn't feel the need to rewrite it.

In it I defend Minato from everything except genjutsu, since as of now Minato has no sure way of getting out of it in time to win this battle, and so the odds are heavily in Itachi's favor.

...exactly. throught out my post i suggested we leave these threads alone be cause we dont know. i said we havent seen enough of minato yet but a lot of itachi. thats kinsa why i left it alone.

but as i also stated, this is an opinionated match-up and until further notice, it always will be. IMO, minato wins.. to each his own.

 

[Ambriel]

I like boys.

Haha

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

that was space time barrier in order for minato to absorb something the object need to get close or the other way around, and also it all depends on how fast minato can use that jutsu

he does not need to be very close.. look at that picture again and look at it closely.

minato is standing on the his statue, notice how far the TBB is from the statue, yeah... he's still absorbing it. lol. now look at the houses, even they look like the are beginning to be sucked in the S/T barrier. or maybe its just a ripple effect or something lol.

but yeah, the point is, he doesnt have to be very close. that blast is fairly far from the statue.

and speed isnt a question.. we know how fast he is, the fastest there is.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

he does not need to be very close.. look at that picture again and look at it closely.

minato is standing on the his statue, notice how far the TBB is from the statue, yeah... he's still absorbing it. lol. now look at the houses, even they look like the are beginning to be sucked in the S/T barrier. or maybe its just a ripple effect or something lol.

but yeah, the point is, he doesnt have to be very close. that blast is fairly far from the statue.

and speed isnt a question.. we know how fast he is, the fastest there is.

minato already form the seal when the kyubi mold the chakra for TBB if that was amaterasu then he won't have enough time

 

[inflame]

Lets begin minato is higly intellegent, strong, and his got pretty good speed. He lived in the era of the 1st and soon become hokage. Sice he is always near the oppnent, it points out he wa good in taijutsu, also since he created the rasangun and demon seal it points out he was good In jinjutsu. Sice he was teaching a sharingun user (obito) he would have picked up a few tricks. Since he accelerated and grow in both ninjutsu and taijutsu i think its safe to say he also increased his genjutsu capabilities since he was the smart calculating type of person.
Susonno is not invincable, remeber the 1st hokage fought madara with the EMS and yet come out the winner. With all madaras tech he still lost. In the naruto world tech and abilities are nothing but an advantage, Also everything and anything is possible. Iam not a minato fan however i like to give credit where it is due. Every ninja has a chance of winning thats how i look at things.
The quote that well fit just right is " it's not what you have it's how you use it"

This is just a theroy. Minato put a seal on tobi to break the genjutsu to free the nine tails, maybe minato created a seal to break him out of genjutsu or to warn him. This is just a theroy so Please do not flame. And it is some what possible since he created the rasangun and the demon seal.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Lets begin minato is higly intellegent, strong, and his got pretty good speed. He lived in the era of the 1st and soon become hokage. Sice he is always near the oppnent, it points out he wa good in taijutsu, also since he created the rasangun and demon seal it points out he was good In jinjutsu. Sice he was teaching a sharingun user (obito) he would have picked up a few tricks. Since he accelerated and grow in both ninjutsu and taijutsu i think its safe to say he also increased his genjutsu capabilities since he was the smart calculating type of person.
Susonno is not invincable, remeber the 1st hokage fought madara with the EMS and yet come out the winner. With all madaras tech he still lost. In the naruto world tech and abilities are nothing but an advantage, Also everything and anything is possible. Iam not a minato fan however i like to give credit where it is due. Every ninja has a chance of winning thats how i look at things.
The quote that well fit just right is " it's not what you have it's how you use it"

This is just a theroy. Minato put a seal on tobi to break the genjutsu to free the nine tails, maybe minato created a seal to break him out of genjutsu or to warn him. This is just a theroy so Please do not flame. And it is some what possible since he created the rasangun and the demon seal.

WTF even when jiraiya was a brat the 1st already gone and yet u say minato live in the 1st era LOL

and minato put the seal on tobi to rip off the summoning contract not the genjutsu

 

[youngdubb]

wow, again.. they dont even read.. minato can absorb susanoo'

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im gonna stress this until people stop using that as an argument lololol xd

I've seen that page but just because he has the ability to obsorb susano doesn't mean he can't b hit by it itachi has plenty other jutsu and minato as well so hea not gonna use susano untill he needs it and by then theyll both be pretty low on chakra so it is still possible for minato to be hit by susano is what I'm saying basically... And like some of the others said we don't know minatos real power so the fight can go either way lol

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

minato already form the seal when the kyubi mold the chakra for TBB if that was amaterasu then he won't have enough time

if it was amaterasu he wouldnt need to absorb it!!!!!! he'd dodge it like the raikage did, but ofcourse he'd do it even faster as he is faster!!!

cmon man, really. you are tragic. every time i prove you wrong , you bring up something else.. i provided that link to show how he could stop susanoo or use an attack like fireball against itachi, not to absorb amaterasu, we know he can dodge that. we all know that

 

[youngdubb]

that was space time barrier in order for minato to absorb something the object need to get close or the other way around, and also it all depends on how fast minato can use that jutsu

Right wether he can obsorb susano all depends on how fast he can use that justu..

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

WTF even when jiraiya was a brat the 1st already gone and yet u say minato live in the 1st era LOL

and minato put the seal on tobi to rip off the summoning contract not the genjutsu

Summoning contract between the 9-tails and Tobi?

I'm all in favor of Itachi winning through genjutsu but WTF? You think Tobi had a contract with the 9-tails?

Then how come the 9-tails was being controlled also via sharingan genjutsu?

You could see the 3-tomoe in the 9-tails' eyes.

So no, he broke the genjutsu that the 9-tails was under, because even if this contract (which doesn't exist) was broken, Tobi still had the 9-tails under genjutsu.

I suppose this is the time in chess where you say check and mate.

BTW I'm just arguing your claims. I still think Itachi would win.

 

[tristan]

I said it all depends but nothing has shown us that Minato has anything that can break him out of genjutsu quickly. Especially of Itachi's caliber.

And while I may have simplified this battle with that bolded quote, I actually wrote a longer response to Blaze Release on page 5 I believe, so I didn't feel the need to rewrite it.

In it I defend Minato from everything except genjutsu, since as of now Minato has no sure way of getting out of it in time to win this battle, and so the odds are heavily in Itachi's favor.

ill not try to prolong the argument in between genjutsu...as ive mentioned in my thread:

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there are 3 things that can setup minato to win against genjutsu:

1. the feat he removed genjutsu from tobi...its a seal against genjutsu meaning he has it in his arsenal...that also means knowing that uchihas are under his control at the time he was reigning as a hokage, he would surely have something against a visual genjutsu and this seal is one of them. question is, how can he become a hokage that time if a simple visual genjutsu can take him down? there are chuunin exams and other test before he becomes a hokage and it would be absurd if he can't avoid such a regular genjutsu...

2. kagebunshins - i don't need to stress it anymore, he used a kagebunshin technique just read the thread...

3. ma and pa toad to assist him in battle...it was heavily stressed in the manga that fighting an uchiha requires you to get out of a 1v1 situation...itachi himself stressed this out unless you're an uchiha...i listed the genjutsu loopholes in my thread as well...

besides ma and pa can dish out several jutsus of their own and they can sync with minato on his shoulder...they can even call out the army of toads to place as a diversion...

with or without FTG...minato can move quickly through body flicker and if itachi misses with an attack, minato can approach him quickly in a split second and place a mark on him...clearly minato had a feat against genjutsu but there was never a feat that placed him under it...

here are the genjutsu holes:

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the only simulation that itachi has is to properly setup a tsukuyomi attack since it was never stated in the manga that a non-uchiha can break through it either with seals or chakra disruption...

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

I've seen that page but just because he has the ability to obsorb susano doesn't mean he can't b hit by it itachi has plenty other jutsu and minato as well so hea not gonna use susano untill he needs it and by then theyll both be pretty low on chakra so it is still possible for minato to be hit by susano is what I'm saying basically... And like some of the others said we don't know minatos real power so the fight can go either way lol

yes, its possible he can be hit by it, im not saying its not possible, lol. just about anything is possible. i was simply providing a way to counter susanoo' .

but about the chakra reserves, do we know how much chakra minato has? i dont remember him explaining that. but people seem to assume he is descendant from the senju in some way, if he is he might have a lot of chakra :shrug::shrug: but who knows...