Ending the already legendary Itachi vs Minato debate

[Darksharinnegan]

the only way minato can win with his shown feats is to land a blow with his kunai or rasengan.

itachi has sharingan, sharingan tracks movement in the event of minato getting close enough to attack all itachi has to do is look at hiim and game over

so minato must attack from behind.

whilst attacking from behind with itachi being a high level ninja itachi will sense minato rather it be by hear sight sound smell or just the vibrations on the ground itachi will notice which is when he is likely to activate susanoo

susanoo holds a weapon called totsaka blade which can instantly seal his opponent with a stab if minato is fast enough to get away from that without leaving the battlefield which would be considered a retreat and a loss itach still has many more genjutsus which if any of them work for just a second that wil give itachi time to look minato in the eyes or totsaka stab him

in the even of minato closing his eyes fighting wonderfully with using just his ears itachi still has izanami which even if minato beaks out will hold him confused and still long enough for itachi to throw a kunai and kill minato


if minato dancing around ftg all over the place completely invulnerable to taijutsu and ninjutsu itachi still has kotoamatsukami which renders minato a slave to itachis will


literally no way minato can win all that blitz buisness you speak of makes no sense, itachi is a ninja he fought kcm naruto narutos speed still wasnt enough theres is no chance of blitz winning

minato has no weapons vs itachi the end

kotoamatsukami
tsyukuyomi
totsaka blade
ephemeral
kinjutsu
seal speed
sharingan

the biggest rasengan ever ges yatta mirrored and minato still gts totsakad

there isnt a possibility of victory for minato

 

[Jikukan]

Must be bad to be a itachi fan haha, the guy cant even touch minato lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

1. Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto with ease. He is much faster than you give him credit for in this thread.

2. Itachi is the one of the best shuriken users in NV. He would deflect all Kunai directed near him. Don't even make that heavy kunai argument you can still alter the trajectory of something that's heavier.

3. Sasuke's Susanoo and his eyes were still inferior to Itachi's when he fought the Raikage. Itachi would have shitrolled the Raikage.

Those were just 3 points that stuck out the most.

Glad that some people are using reasoning in this thread.


1. Naruto's speed is inconsistent. I think this has to do with his lack of control over body flicker. This is what ends up happening when KCM Naruto uses body flicker.

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Given his lack of control, I doubt he was using body flicker against Itachi. I think Naruto only uses it if he's trapped and needs to doge an attack.

2. It doesn't matter if Itachi deflects it or not considering Minato can FTG to it and throw it again anyway. Eventually, Itachi will run out of shurikens.


3. Actually,that's not what the manga indicated, at least not in the case of amaterasu.

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[Da Best Ever]

Like i've said your reply concerning Obito was meaningless since i never brought back the claim in OP and since i noticed it, i thought you didn't read the topic completely.

Concerning the sensing ability, it's perfectly understandable and i already explained how it works plenty of times

Sensors sense all the time as long as they kneed/concentrate chakra

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Now if they are too distracted, it can happen they fail to notice something they normally should have

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Reason why none of Hokages(sensors included) sensed a thing before Orochimaru told them about war:

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Tobirama for example failed to notice Orochimaru's body was filled with his brother's cells before sensing it better(when Hashirama who was considered weak in sensing managed to):

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Tobirama also didn't notice Sarutobi's approach when he came to help Naruto:

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So really it doesn't depend on your level on sensing in this case but it depends on if the sensor in question is kneeding chakra to sense or not. Minato was capable to know Naruto managed to control Kyubi and that they were partner fighting together from a distance, just like he noticed it was extracted, so Minato is capable to notice chakra build up inside a body.

Sensing in Naruto is no particularly different than in DBZ. They sense all the time but there are times it happens that when they are too focused on something like in Minato's case, they fail to notice. Like Picollo failing to notice Cell's presence:

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Or Kurillin failing to notice Bejita behind him:

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minato's sensing ability is negated, and proof of scans was already shown so why are u still trying to use this...
AO head of the SA sensing division said itachi was the only shinobi in the world that can go undetected so what are u talking about, kneading chakra means nothing, ao clearly said itachi can go undetected against sensors...#Fail

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

All the people who are saying Minato will be defeated by Genjutsu then Itachi should be no 2 in all times strongest ninja.
Hashirama is slower than Minato so Itachi's Tsukuyomi should trap him and then He will totsuka him. Isn't it ???

 

[Prince Charles]

minato's sensing ability is negated, and proof of scans was already shown so why are u still trying to use this...
AO head of the SA sensing division said itachi was the only shinobi in the world that can go undetected so what are u talking about, kneading chakra means nothing, ao clearly said itachi can go undetected against sensors...#Fail

This is true as well, also adding the fact that itachi spilled through the leaf's chakra barrier without getting detected.

 

[Jikukan]

Minato could even barrier al the attacks itachi tries to make, yata mirror gone, susano gone haha etc etc

 

[Bronze]

This is true as well, also adding the fact that itachi spilled through the leaf's chakra barrier without getting detected.

Actually, he managed to do that because he knew the code to get through it as former Anbu.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Keep it going, lads.

 

[Bogard]

Okay, you're just repeating what i said and proving my point that Minato cant sense Itachi's Genjutsu while fighting against at the same time, as the latest chapter proved, that he needs to kneed Chakra to turn on his sensory Chakra, which prevents him from fighting as he is focusing. So I guess you're agreeing he isn't sensing and countering Itachi's Genjutsu, which means he loses the match. Good .

Not really. What i'm trying to tell you is that sensor is basically like a mode. As long as a sensor build chakra, he can sense. Sensors can sense while battling. Tobirama used suiton suidanha while sensing Naruto, Minato used rasengan while sensing Naruto, he sensed Obito while maintaining the hokage barrier, like he sensed the place where he would redirect Kyubi's Bijudama was safe with sensing alone while redirecting said bijudama. He sensed Obito behind him despite being distracted by fighting Kyubi. Only case when they fail to sense in this case like i've said is when they are too distracted to sense something they normally should have

 

[Made in Heaven]

DOes Itachi win? does Minato win? who knows! It's all in your imagination anyways >_>

 

[Prince Charles]

Actually, he managed to do that because he knew the code to get through it as former Anbu.

Didnt know their was a code? Not too mention cant the barrier be changed or coded differently if needed to? Unless you can show me a scan of your claim.

@Bogard I have posted my reasoning on page. #81

 

[Avinash012]

This is true as well, also adding the fact that itachi spilled through the leaf's chakra barrier without getting detected.

I thought Itachi knew the password.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Itachi solos Minato because of Genjutsu.

Itachi solos Nagato because of Genjutsu.

Itachi solos Hashirama because of Genjutsu.

The Genjutsu argument can be applied to just about any non-Uchiha and it's simply retarded to say that a Hokage-level Shinobi would get trapped by a Genjutsu that got Chuunin-level Naruto [Finger Genjutsu].

 

[Prince Charles]

I thought Itachi knew the password.

wasnt aware of this code or password? If im wrong thats my bad.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Actually, he managed to do that because he knew the code to get through it as former Anbu.

Didnt know their was a code? Not too mention cant the barrier be changed or coded differently if needed to? Unless you can show me a scan of your claim.

@Bogard I have posted my reasoning on page. #81

I thought Itachi knew the password.

[[URL="http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/419/3]1[/URL]]

No mention of a code or password.

 

[jsss]

Ask Kishimoto....

But I think that Itachi will win.

 

[Avinash012]

Not really. What i'm trying to tell you is that sensor is basically like a mode. As long as a sensor build chakra, he can sense. Sensors can sense while battling. Tobirama used suiton suidanha while sensing Naruto, Minato used rasengan while sensing Naruto, he sensed Obito while maintaining the hokage barrier, like he sensed the place where he would redirect Kyubi's Bijudama was safe with sensing alone while redirecting said bijudama. He sensed Obito behind him despite being distracted by fighting Kyubi. Only case when they fail to sense in this case like i've said is when they are too distracted to sense something they normally should have

I agree with this^^ Minato can use his sensor abilities while fighting just like Tobirama Senju but that dosen't mean that he can bypass Itachi's undetectable mode though.

 

[Prince Charles]

[[URL="http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/419/3]1[/URL]]

No mention of a code or password.

I was just about to post this scan..

 

[Da Best Ever]

Glad that some people are using reasoning in this thread.


1. Naruto's speed is inconsistent. I think this has to do with his lack of control over body flicker. This is what ends up happening when KCM Naruto uses body flicker.

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Given his lack of control, I doubt he was using body flicker against Itachi. I think Naruto only uses it if he's trapped and needs to doge an attack.

2. It doesn't matter if Itachi deflects it or not considering Minato can FTG to it and throw it again anyway. Eventually, Itachi will run out of shurikens.


3. Actually,that's not what the manga indicated, at least not in the case of amaterasu.

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im not even going to waste time arguing the speed thing because base minato isnt kcm fast anyway and the manga alreayd showed itachi matching kcm naruto(equaling minato's ftg speed) so...


it dosent matter if the kunai is deflected...wft, if the kunai is deflected then the thats defeats its purpose which is to get close neough to the user so minato can teleport to it, if itachi deflects that mens it doesnt reach itachi, u saying mianto can just pick it back up and itachi will run out is ridiculosu...if minato can pick his up wouldnt it make sense itachi could pick his up too???


also sasuke has only surpassed itachi's use of amaterasu and thats as stated by shi who has never saw itachi use the black flames, and to prove that when sasuke used the mangekyou sharingan, shi said to himself " so thats the mangekyou sharingan" so that means shi only heard that itachi used amaterasu and never saw him use them which would make sense since black and white zetsu both who was said to have seen ever battle had never even seen amaterasu... the proof of itachi's ms being better is in the amount if time he had ms before suffering the effects, he had ms befor ehe kill his clan and he had been a rogue ninja for some years so itachi had ms for years and had been using it for years and yet didt suffer the effects until he went back to konoha which was years later, while sasuke after having ms for a short while used only amaterasu a few times and susano ribcage and was damn near blind and cell every cell in his body was hurting...