Ending the already legendary Itachi vs Minato debate

[Gold Lightning]

Take notes Bogard. This is how you present your opinion in a dignified manner than earns rep. This is how adults respond. You have brought me down to your childish level, Bogard. I hope you're happy.

I'm sorry but no one is bringing anyone down to anyone's level. If you act childish and silly then that's on you, no one to blame but yourself.

 

[deadp00l]

Wow people are showing their true colors

They are giving neg reps and calling op names

I guess this is how itachi fans respond to a thread supported by manga scans

 

[Minator93]

I can shit on any and every counter Itachi fans put up U_U Minato wins Low diff against Alive Itachi and Med diff against Edo Itachi.

This isn't even a contest Itachi plays with MS Sasuke and Kisame whilst Minato plays with Hashirama and Madara U_U

 

[Smd]

I'm sorry but knowing is bringing anyone down to anyone's level. If you act childish and silly then that's on you, no one to blame but yourself.

got to say i agree with this. i scanned thur the thread


and some ppl are just plain butthurt. like above

i dont understand how itachi fans could be, Op basically proves nothing new...

 

[theacknowledgedone]

1. Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto with ease. He is much faster than you give him credit for in this thread.

2. Itachi is the one of the best shuriken users in NV. He would deflect all Kunai directed near him. Don't even make that heavy kunai argument you can still alter the trajectory of something that's heavier.

3. Sasuke's Susanoo and his eyes were still inferior to Itachi's when he fought the Raikage. Itachi would have shitrolled the Raikage.

Those were just 3 points that stuck out the most.

 

[~Sky~]

A bunch of angry nerds, so fun to read while drinking coffee.

I'm eating a biscuit.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

A bunch of angry nerds, so fun to read while drinking coffee.

I'm eating a biscuit.

I'm just doing my usual Saturday morning ritual while reading this.

 

[Smd]

1. Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto with ease. He is much faster than you give him credit for in this thread.

2. Itachi is the one of the best shuriken users in NV. He would deflect all Kunai directed near him. Don't even make that heavy kunai argument you can still alter the trajectory of something that's heavier.

3. Sasuke's Susanoo and his eyes were still inferior to Itachi's when he fought the Raikage. Itachi would have shitrolled the Raikage.

Those were just 3 points that stuck out the most.

i lmfao

i agree...

 

[Da Best Ever]

I examined your counter of Genjutsu, and I must say, you are unaware of Itachi's prowess of Genjutsu.

To start off, Obito never attempted to use Genjutsu on Minato, as the latter was already focusing massive amount of Chakra manipulating Kurama. There isn't any evidence he used Genjutsu on Minato. So that is non-factor. Your other part being Hokage, well that's not so great as Jiraiya, Danzo, Gokage and pretty much everyone knew Madara can control Kurama. He was a legend, naturally being famous for his actions. Now regarding your last part of the sensory abilities helping Minato sense the Chakra build up in Itachi's eyes, Itachi can disable any sensory including the sensory enhanced equipment to prevent anyone sensing Genjutsu, noted and stated by Byakugan user:

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Itachi can replicate the same feat on Minato to prevent the latter from knowing he is under Genjutsu. And regarding the eye contact, Itachi replace this weakness with his finger to perform the trick. Kage Bunshin are non-factor to someone who sensed and saw through the real Naruto despite Naruto creating 5000 Bunshin making the probability 1/5000 impossible to catch him. Kage Bunshin is non-factor to Itachi. This battle will end with Minato under Itachi's Genjutsu without noticing as Itachi proceeds to finish him off.

this is all true and really good work...if u would have used this type of logic against me yesterday(if u remember) u would have owned my thread but then again i had fatcs to back me but nevertheless this is really good

 

[Bogard]

1. Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto with ease. He is much faster than you give him credit for in this thread.

2. Itachi is the one of the best shuriken users in NV. He would deflect all Kunai directed near him. Don't even make that heavy kunai argument you can still alter the trajectory of something that's heavier.

3. Sasuke's Susanoo and his eyes were still inferior to Itachi's when he fought the Raikage. Itachi would have shitrolled the Raikage.

Those were just 3 points that stuck out the most.

1- He kept up with 1/22 KCM Naruto who wasn't using Shunshin and was only there for a talk
2- Minato is a great shuriken user as well. Countering Shurikens would means nothing since they would still fall on the ground
3- He may have won, but that is besides the point. I'm talking about the reading ability of the Sharingan(or MS) in where Sasuke surpass him

 

[Da Best Ever]

I can shit on any and every counter Itachi fans put up U_U Minato wins Low diff against Alive Itachi and Med diff against Edo Itachi.

This isn't even a contest Itachi plays with MS Sasuke and Kisame whilst Minato plays with Hashirama and Madara U_U

what does the people u knw have to do with anything...and minato just met hashirama and madara so wtf are u talking about

 

[Bronze]

Your Obito point is meaningless since i never mentioned he put or not Minato in a genjutsu(something that obviously didn't happen)

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Minato is a great sensor. To determine how great a sensor is, you can notice his sensor field. Ao's sensory unit for example needed large equipments just to sense Kumo's battlefield. Great sensors like Minato and Tobirama however are capable to sense even countries away(from Konoha to Kumo) and all that without equipments

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Minato can sense chakra build up since he has shown the capacity to notify the change in chakra when a Bijuu is extracted. This is particularly interesting especially when you know that a Bijuu's power can't even be sensed inside a Jinchuriki unless his chakra comes out from one or another reason, so there is no possible ways to notice if one is even a Jinchuriki or a normal person, let alone know whether a Bijuu gets extracted or not, yet Minato did just that. On the picture above you can also notice that even before that, during his revival, he was capable not only to notify Naruto's chakra inside the nine tails countries away, but notice he completely controlled the Kyubi and they were fighting together

As a counter-example for example, Naruto who managed to sense Minato's chakra battlefields away as well [

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], only noticed Minato's control over the nine tails when he actually used it infront of him [

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]. That speaks volume concerning Minato's sensing abilities

Sensors are capable to sense chakra build inside the body(like you can see above with Minato as well)

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It helps to prevent even occular attacks, which means before Itachi even thinks about puting Minato in a genjutsu, he would know

Also, even in case you're caught inside a genjutsu(outside tsukuyomi of course) a sensor can identify it directly by noticing the disturbance in the flow. It works for every genjutsu since even Shisui's KA was detected by Ao

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As for your scan, you didn't understand what Ao meant. He was talking about distance here. Basically Itachi can put someone in a genjutsu while being far away from a sensor of his caliber to be capable to sense, it was nothing more than that

First of all, copying something you already wrote down in the OP is pointless as I have read it. Second of all, you either don't know or don't want to post Minato's weakness of sensory. So don't worry, I will do the job.

1-Minato couldn't sense Obito anticipate the barrier. Also, he couldn't sense the war happening before Orochimaru told him. Not to mention he sensed the Kurama extraction after Yin Kurama told him to. Yes, I understand that sensors must turn on their Chakra sensory to feel around them, but the difference between Minato and other respective sensors such as Muu and Karin, is Minato cannot battle and sense at once which can be proven by these scans [

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]. Unlike Muu and Karin who demonstrated they can fight and sense at once, while Minato can only do per thing. He isn't fighting and sensing at the same time as it contradicts your so called Minato's sensory feats.

2-Ao never mentions anything about distance. He says Itachi is the only who can cast Genjutsu while simultaneously move undetected by the sensory equipment.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Wow people are showing their true colors

They are giving neg reps and calling op names

I guess this is how itachi fans respond to a thread supported by manga scans

I know Minato fans can be bad, but majority of the time we only say positive things. And Itachi is one of the greatest anime characters ever wrttiten, but damn his fans have a temper when they fell Itachi is threatened. They mad as hell right now lol

The abuse is real.

 

[Minator93]

what does the people u knw have to do with anything...and minato just met hashirama and madara so wtf are u talking about

Lel that means Itachi is of MS Sasuke and Kisame level whilst Minato is Hashirama, Madara level as proven and backed by manga U_U Heck I got Madara confirming things Lol

 

[Minator93]

If Itachi fans are too excited I can drop off material from the manga itself showing how Minato shits on everything Itachi has to offer and How Itachi can't counter Minato and gets killed with relatively easy difficulty Lol

 

[Bogard]

First of all, copying something you already wrote down in the OP is pointless as I have read it. Second of all, you either don't know or don't want to post Minato's weakness of sensory. So don't worry, I will do the job.

1-Minato couldn't sense Obito anticipate the barrier. Also, he couldn't sense the war happening before Orochimaru told him. Not to mention he sensed the Kurama extraction after Yin Kurama told him to. Yes, I understand that sensors must turn on their Chakra sensory to feel around them, but the difference between Minato and other respective sensors such as Muu and Karin, is Minato cannot battle and sense at once which can be proven by these scans [

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]. Unlike Muu and Karin who demonstrated they can fight and sense at once, while Minato can only do per thing. He isn't fighting and sensing at the same time as it contradicts your so called Minato's sensory feats.

2-Ao never mentions anything about distance. He says Minato is the only who can cast Genjutsu while simultaneously move undetected by the sensory equipment.

Like i've said your reply concerning Obito was meaningless since i never brought back the claim in OP and since i noticed it, i thought you didn't read the topic completely.

Concerning the sensing ability, it's perfectly understandable and i already explained how it works plenty of times

Sensors sense all the time as long as they kneed/concentrate chakra

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Now if they are too distracted, it can happen they fail to notice something they normally should have

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Reason why none of Hokages(sensors included) sensed a thing before Orochimaru told them about war:

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Tobirama for example failed to notice Orochimaru's body was filled with his brother's cells before sensing it better(when Hashirama who was considered weak in sensing managed to):

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Tobirama also didn't notice Sarutobi's approach when he came to help Naruto:

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So really it doesn't depend on your level on sensing in this case but it depends on if the sensor in question is kneeding chakra to sense or not. Minato was capable to know Naruto managed to control Kyubi and that they were partner fighting together from a distance, just like he noticed it was extracted, so Minato is capable to notice chakra build up inside a body.

Sensing in Naruto is no particularly different than in DBZ. They sense all the time but there are times it happens that when they are too focused on something like in Minato's case, they fail to notice. Like Picollo failing to notice Cell's presence:

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Or Kurillin failing to notice Bejita behind him:

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[Minator93]

Splendid might get some myself.

Was about to go to a party but the weather is a load of horse shit. I'm glad Bogard made a surprisingly good bait thread.




Good for you i guess.

Why post if all you do is delete Lol Butterfly Effect much

 

[Da Best Ever]

1- He kept up with 1/22 KCM Naruto who wasn't using Shunshin and was only there for a talk
2- Minato is a great shuriken user as well. Countering Shurikens would means nothing since they would still fall on the ground
3- He may have won, but that is besides the point. I'm talking about the reading ability of the Sharingan(or MS) in where Sasuke surpass him

naruto knew itachi and nagato were trying to kill since kabuto restricted their thoughts so why wouldnt he be trying to move fast or outmanuever itachi who was trying to kill him...

also naruto losing chakra had nothig to do with his speed, u can make that claim only if he lost all his chakra and didnt have kcm but he did so...


we've seen itachi shukien skills several times we have only seen minato through ftg kunai all over the ground and directly at his opponenet, itachi was hitting targets blindfolded when he was akid and while his target was behind other objects...there is a big difference, and inorder for minato to get to itachi he needs to his kunai to reach itachi, if itachi hits the kunai and they fall short then minato doesnt reach itachi and it would just be a taijutsu battle...ms can read base minato's speed movements so...#Levels


also sasuke's ms visual prowess never surpassed itachi's...sasuke's amaterasu use and manipulation of it surpassed itachi's...u do knw itachi has ms before he killed his clan, and he has been gone from the village for some years now so i would imagine he has been using ms for some years before the affects were shown, sasuke had just got his ms was was already going blind after a few uses...even kakashi's and obito's use of ms is was way more efficiently used than sasuke with his ms

 

[Prince Charles]

In regards to your genjutsu point and minato's sensory abilities, it is true that he can tell whether or not if he is in a genjutsu but karin only checked due to the suspicious behavior or danoz being constantly revived which

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, karin was able to pull that off due to her not being directly in the battle so she had the time and means to pull that off, minato will be in a battle against itachi in which itachi will be pressuring minato, minato won't have the chance to concentrate as karin did to check if his in a genjutsu and also the fact that minato first has to realize he is in a genjutsu. Itachi can replicate the real world perfectly so minato will first have to figure he is in a genjutsu, by the time he does it's over, if it's tyusukuyomi he finished regardless of knowing if his in a genjutsu which goes back to the fact how Itachi mentioned in part 1 no one can break his tysukuyomi(excluding sasuke and jinchuriki) so I don't see minato breaking it when even kakashi couldn't and he wielded a sharigan.

By the time Minato realizes he is in a genjutsu itachi can end it right there.

Not mention we don't even have knowledge in Minato's skill in breaking genjutsu, even he can it doesnt guarantee that he will be able to break out of the genjutsu.

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^^ that panel is for sharigan genjutsu,

Minato will be by himself so the buddy method will not work.

And then theirs chakra disruption but look at what kishimoto saids, even with the chakra disruption method it becomes possible which doesnt mean guarantee.

all it takes is a simple glare and its GG.

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[Bronze]

Like i've said your reply concerning Obito was meaningless since i never brought back the claim in OP and since i noticed it, i thought you didn't read the topic completely.

Concerning the sensing ability, it's perfectly understandable and i already explained how it works plenty of times

Sensors sense all the time as long as they kneed/concentrate chakra

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Now if they are too distracted, it can happen they fail to notice something they normally should have

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Reason why none of Hokages(sensors included) sensed a thing before Orochimaru told them about war:

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Tobirama for example failed to notice Orochimaru's body was filled with his brother's cells before sensing it better(when Hashirama who was considered weak in sensing managed to):

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Tobirama also didn't notice Sarutobi's approach when he came to help Naruto:

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So really it doesn't depend on your level on sensing in this case but it depends on if the sensor in question is kneeding chakra to sense or not. Minato was capable to know Naruto managed to control Kyubi and that they were partner fighting together from a distance, just like he noticed it was extracted, so Minato is capable to notice chakra build up inside a body.

Sensing in Naruto is no particularly different than in DBZ. They sense all the time but there are times it happens that when they are too focused on something like in Minato's case, they fail to notice. Like Picollo failing to notice Cell's presence:

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Or Kurillin failing to notice Bejita behind him:

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Okay, you're just repeating what i said and proving my point that Minato cant sense Itachi's Genjutsu while fighting against at the same time, as the latest chapter proved, that he needs to kneed Chakra to turn on his sensory Chakra, which prevents him from fighting as he is focusing. So I guess you're agreeing he isn't sensing and countering Itachi's Genjutsu, which means he loses the match. Good .