Ending the already legendary Itachi vs Minato debate

[Bogard]

Da fuk? whoa yall boys need to chill and get off my day one niga bogard! Instead of hating on his dik, counter the nigas thread da fuk. (no disrespect to necromancer, he my homeboy too)

Lol i love how they present no counter arguments but are the first whining. It just proves to me even more why Itachi stands no chance at winning and they know that

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

If Minato can't look at Itachi how does Minato see Amatarasu coming?

While I believe Itachi wins this, I'd like to point out that I think Minato CAN anticipate Amaterasu by feeling the pressure and/or anticipating chakra buildup that comes before it. Just my 2 cents.

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But it isn't enough to take out Itachi.

 

[Mattek2008]

I think this is just one of thouse matchups that can't be proven unless Kishimoto directly confirms the outcome....I'm 50/50, both are extremly strong. IMO

 

[Bogard]

lol cant? minato cant even look at itachi without getting one shotted. this is coming from someone who is neutral, unlike your obvious favourism

One advice, just read the thread before posting next time

 

[Xēnovia.]

Why so much hate broskis? If you want to prove T Bogarde wrong counter his thread respectfully, but please refrain from the childish name calling. #GattaHaveDatClass​

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Yep, Minato>Itachi. I think that's cemented by the fact that most(not all) replies in this thread are just ignoring the argument completely and are not using logic to counter. I have my own counter for genjutsu and susanoo. Lol to the fans saying that amaterasu and toska blade will kill Minato! What makes you think they're fast enough to get him before FTG?

 

[Bronze]

I examined your counter of Genjutsu, and I must say, you are unaware of Itachi's prowess of Genjutsu.

To start off, Obito never attempted to use Genjutsu on Minato, as the latter was already focusing massive amount of Chakra manipulating Kurama. There isn't any evidence he used Genjutsu on Minato. So that is non-factor. Your other part being Hokage, well that's not so great as Jiraiya, Danzo, Gokage and pretty much everyone knew Madara can control Kurama. He was a legend, naturally being famous for his actions. Now regarding your last part of the sensory abilities helping Minato sense the Chakra build up in Itachi's eyes, Itachi can disable any sensory including the sensory enhanced equipment to prevent anyone sensing Genjutsu, noted and stated by Byakugan user:

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Itachi can replicate the same feat on Minato to prevent the latter from knowing he is under Genjutsu. And regarding the eye contact, Itachi replace this weakness with his finger to perform the trick. Kage Bunshin are non-factor to someone who sensed and saw through the real Naruto despite Naruto creating 5000 Bunshin making the probability 1/5000 impossible to catch him. Kage Bunshin is non-factor to Itachi. This battle will end with Minato under Itachi's Genjutsu without noticing as Itachi proceeds to finish him off.

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol i love how they present no counter arguments but are the first whining. It just proves to me even more why Itachi stands no chance at winning and they know that

man I aint even gunna front with minato's present new feats(clones,sensing,etc) he stands a higher chance of defeating itachi now but the fight can go either way!

But give me some time and I may bring up some counters cus im watching boondocks re-runs right now!

 

[Kαmi]

Take it easy you guys no need to turn this into a sausage feast then it already is. Peace & love and what not.​

Da fuk? whoa yall boys need to chill and get off my day one niga bogard! Instead of hating on his dik, counter the nigas thread da fuk. (no disrespect to necromancer, he my homeboy too)

These two^^ Stop the hate and debate n***as. If Tranny Bogard is bothering y'all that bad then just prove him wrong, no need for anyone to antsy, though Bogard isn't making things much better on his behalf Lol

OT: I actually agree that Minato > Itachi but I have no intentions of explaining my reasoning ._. But I think Minato wins 6 times out of 10.

 

[The Necromancer]

Da fuk? whoa yall boys need to chill and get off my day one niga bogard! Instead of hating on his dik, counter the nigas thread da fuk. (no disrespect to necromancer, he my homeboy too)

Not taken at all. I planned on simply negging (for obviously bringing up a debate that will cause flamming and trolling, and because frankly, I don't like him) then leaving. But someone decided to derail his own thread with spam because he couldn't handle the 8 point drop.

Let's be honest. T Bogard isn't ending this ongoing debate.
I am not ending this ongoing debate.
No one on this forum is ending this ongoing debate.

Any attempt is inciting a hate thread. Fact.

These two^^ Stop the hate and debate n***as. If Tranny Bogard is bothering y'all that bad then just prove him wrong, no need for anyone to antsy, though Bogard isn't making things much better on his behalf Lol

OT: I actually agree that Minato > Itachi but I have no intentions of explaining my reasoning ._. But I think Minato wins 6 times out of 10.

Take notes Bogard. This is how you present your opinion in a dignified manner than earns rep. This is how adults respond. You have brought me down to your childish level, Bogard. I hope you're happy.

 

[Smd]

man i like you and all but this is kinda BS

i actually read your whole thread cuz i like you.

but


-Those first scans dont prove minato being aware of not looking into the eyes
-obito is not itachi
-Itachi will not be fooled by a shadow clone
-minato didnt switch on his own, kurama had to tell him to do it, proving that its questionable if he can effectivly use it against someone like itachi

-That scan clearly says naruto felt minato because of KCM


im sorry but i still think w/o kurama minato will lose rather easily.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

This is always a fun topic.

 

[~Sky~]

The thread was okay. The embarrassing part were the responses, I didn't expect people to take it so personally. Bogard, I don't think the Itachi vs Minato debate will ever be over, at this point in the manga.

But I was laughing out loud at the people who always feel the need to bring up Ephermal, even though it only ever worked on a kid with absolutely minute training in genjutsu. Also, I found it quite ironic when you bring up sensing feats as a whole, people say you're speculating, but then they go and use Genjutsu feats of other characters like they're so much better.

 

[Avinash012]

Iam a fan of both of them and like them both equally.

OT:IMO Itachi wins if Minato made an eye contact and loses if not.

 

[GenKiDama]

One advice, just read the thread before posting next time

I read some of it and stopped due to the minato wanking. Maybe someone might be bothered to counter it, but I doubt it.

 

[Smd]

Why so much hate broskis? If you want to prove T Bogarde wrong counter his thread respectfully, but please refrain from the childish name calling. #GattaHaveDatClass​

this kid.

wbu? im sure i saw you trolling and acting childish with blades and godly last night.

But its not ok when its about minato or naruto


you kids are so annoying its not even funny sometimes


ot- this thread didnt end anything, only started a shit storm

 

[Bogard]

I examined your counter of Genjutsu, and I must say, you are unaware of Itachi's prowess of Genjutsu.

To start off, Obito never attempted to use Genjutsu on Minato, as the latter was already focusing massive amount of Chakra manipulating Kurama. There isn't any evidence he used Genjutsu on Minato. So that is non-factor. Your other part being Hokage, well that's not so great as Jiraiya, Danzo, Gokage and pretty much everyone knew Madara can control Kurama. He was a legend, naturally being famous for his actions. Now regarding your last part of the sensory abilities helping Minato sense the Chakra build up in Itachi's eyes, Itachi can disable any sensory including the sensory enhanced equipment to prevent anyone sensing Genjutsu, noted and stated by Byakugan user:

Spoiler

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Itachi can replicate the same feat on Minato to prevent the latter from knowing he is under Genjutsu. And regarding the eye contact, Itachi replace this weakness with his finger to perform the trick. Kage Bunshin are non-factor to someone who sensed and saw through the real Naruto despite Naruto creating 5000 Bunshin making the probability 1/5000 impossible to catch him. Kage Bunshin is non-factor to Itachi. This battle will end with Minato under Itachi's Genjutsu without noticing as Itachi proceeds to finish him off.

Your Obito point is meaningless since i never mentioned he put or not Minato in a genjutsu(something that obviously didn't happen)

How great Itachi's genjutsu are is meaningless as well

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Minato is a great sensor. To determine how great a sensor is, you can notice his sensor field. Ao's sensory unit for example needed large equipments just to sense Kumo's battlefield. Great sensors like Minato and Tobirama however are capable to sense even countries away(from Konoha to Kumo) and all that without equipments

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Minato can sense chakra build up since he has shown the capacity to notify the change in chakra when a Bijuu is extracted. This is particularly interesting especially when you know that a Bijuu's power can't even be sensed inside a Jinchuriki unless his chakra comes out from one or another reason, so there is no possible ways to notice if one is even a Jinchuriki or a normal person, let alone know whether a Bijuu gets extracted or not, yet Minato did just that. On the picture above you can also notice that even before that, during his revival, he was capable not only to notify Naruto's chakra inside the nine tails countries away, but notice he completely controlled the Kyubi and they were fighting together

As a counter-example for example, Naruto who managed to sense Minato's chakra battlefields away as well [

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], only noticed Minato's control over the nine tails when he actually used it infront of him [

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]. That speaks volume concerning Minato's sensing abilities

Sensors are capable to sense chakra build inside the body(like you can see above with Minato as well)

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It helps to prevent even occular attacks, which means before Itachi even thinks about puting Minato in a genjutsu, he would know

Also, even in case you're caught inside a genjutsu(outside tsukuyomi of course) a sensor can identify it directly by noticing the disturbance in the flow. It works for every genjutsu since even Shisui's KA was detected by Ao

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As for your scan, you didn't understand what Ao meant. He was talking about distance here. Basically Itachi can put someone in a genjutsu while being far away from a sensor of his caliber to be capable to sense, it was nothing more than that

 

[Made in Heaven]

do you ever see an opinion that’s so terrible that you actually feel bad for that person’s brain?

 

[Da Best Ever]

Lol i love how they present no counter arguments but are the first whining. It just proves to me even more why Itachi stands no chance at winning and they know that

Minato fights making eye contact,he succumbs to Tsukoyomi and loses.
-He doesn't fight making eye contact,he never sees Amaterasu coming and loses.

It's not rocket science,Itachi wins no matter how you look at it.


this guys post countered your arguments...and saying one of the most powerful shinobi and most feared shinobi has no chance is ridiculous...#Levels


also i like both shinobi and think very highly of their abilities but its hard for me to say who wins but i do believe whoever itachi is up against as far as high level opponents his biggest opponents is himself, what i mean is his illness is what beats him not any shinobi, i cant even imagine how good itachi was prior to being ill, he has been soloing and fighting at a high level will being terminally ill, thats says a lot, thats illness hurt his chakra, hurt his stamina, hrt his durablity, hurt his accuracy, hurt his proficiency, hurt his timing, hurt his balance hurt his speed, hurt his strength, and he is so good we didnt even knw he was ill


also naruto's kcm speed was said to match minato's ftg speed, and we seen edo itachi matching and getting the better of naruto in taijutsu


also u underestimate itachi's genius, he is the smartest in battle shinobi



im not against minato at all im just pointing out itachi's side because thats what u did with minato

 

[Smd]

Your Obito point is meaningless since i never mentioned he put or not Minato in a genjutsu(something that obviously didn't happen)

How great Itachi's genjutsu are is meaningless as well

Spoiler

Minato is a great sensor. To determine how great a sensor is, you can notice his sensor field. Ao's sensory unit for example needed large equipments just to sense Kumo's battlefield. Great sensors like Minato and Tobirama however are capable to sense even countries away(from Konoha to Kumo) and all that without equipments

You must be registered for see images

Minato can sense chakra build up since he has shown the capacity to notify the change in chakra when a Bijuu is extracted. This is particularly interesting especially when you know that a Bijuu's power can't even be sensed inside a Jinchuriki unless his chakra comes out from one or another reason, so there is no possible ways to notice if one is even a Jinchuriki or a normal person, let alone know whether a Bijuu gets extracted or not, yet Minato did just that. On the picture above you can also notice that even before that, during his revival, he was capable not only to notify Naruto's chakra inside the nine tails countries away, but notice he completely controlled the Kyubi and they were fighting together

As a counter-example for example, Naruto who managed to sense Minato's chakra battlefields away as well [

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], only noticed Minato's control over the nine tails when he actually used it infront of him [

You must be registered for see links

]. That speaks volume concerning Minato's sensing abilities

Sensors are capable to sense chakra build inside the body(like you can see above with Minato as well)

You must be registered for see images

It helps to prevent even occular attacks, which means before Itachi even thinks about puting Minato in a genjutsu, he would know

Also, even in case you're caught inside a genjutsu(outside tsukuyomi of course) a sensor can identify it directly by noticing the disturbance in the flow. It works for every genjutsu since even Shisui's KA was detected by Ao

You must be registered for see images

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As for your scan, you didn't understand what Ao meant. He was talking about distance here. Basically Itachi can put someone in a genjutsu while being far away from a sensor of his caliber to be capable to sense, it was nothing more than that

yes bogard

he may be able to sense

-amatersu
-genjutsu non uchiha


But w/o kurama he has to much to overcome