Gouryuuka
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Following the stream of debate enders that Blaze Release has posted, I have decided to post a thread about my side of the best Rinnegan user debate. Keep in mind, this is what I believe and if you don't like it then get out of this thread because flaming would prevent logical thinkers on NarutoBase to understand this. A recent thread has provoked me to make this thread and it is not, in anyway, meant to discriminate others opinion or thoughts so feel free to post your take on my opinion. Here it goes:
1) Who is really a more adept Rinnegan user? Madara Uchiha or Nagato Uzumaki?
I.) I believe that Nagato is the more powerful Rinnegan user than both Tobi and Madara. Here is the basis of my conjecture: Nagato has had 30+ years to perfect a doujutsu he has had since he first awakened it. Lets list some of Nagato's feats using his almighty Rinnegan:
-Integrated six seperate Rinnegan techs into six individual bodies. Thus creating the nearly unstoppable Six Paths of Pain.
-Can use all six powers when he was revived as an Edo, and most likely able to use them if he were not crippled by the Gedo Mazo. Rendering him a powerful opponent.
-Can easily manipulate six individual bodies as a formidable team all on his own using the shared vision.
-Powerful mastery over the powers of Rinnegan, being able to use a single Shinra Tensei to destroy all of Konoha and revive them all later on.
There are much more feats that Nagato has, but that should be enough to support Nagato for now.
Now Madara Uchiha has shown two incredible feats so far. Using Preta Path to absorb Rasenshuriken and summoning two meteors that wiped the floor with the vast majority of the battlefield. Keep in mind that this is Edo Madara.
Tobi on the other hand, has only used the Rinnegan as a shared vision advantage and cannot even use the Rinnegan techniques in any of his paths of Pain. This is also stated by Kakashi.
Some members might think, 'Madara's Meteor attack killed an entire battlefield in a matter of seconds and is much more devastating than anything Nagato has done!' Heres what I have to say to that: Nagato also has the ability to summon meteors as well. Take a look:
The meteor is small compared to the one Madara conjured but there is a good reason for it. Kabuto was not reckless and did not want to kill both Killer Bee and Naruto. This Naruto is the original Naruto fighting both Itachi and Nagato. Madara was able to use his almighty, powerful meteor because the Naruto on the battlefield then was only a clone and not the original. So we see that Nagato is able to use that power as well, but never is given a chance to show it.
So what do we have left? Oh yes, the Preta Path ability that Madara used. But as of this point in the manga, that is all he has compared to all of the feats Nagato has shown before Madara was even around.
It wouldnt make sense to call Madara a better Rinnegan user than Nagato because Madara only had his Rinnegan shortly before his death. There is no way that he would be able to learn of its secrets and master them in such a short time no matter how much of a genius he was. Nagato had his Rinnegan activated 24/7 and was never shown to have them off unless it was before he activated them. A ninja with such a powerful doujutsu activated as long as he has would be obviously the better user. However, if Madara had as much time to master it like Nagato did, then he would probably be taking the title as the best Rinnegan user and not Nagato.
2) Madara can use Sharingan Techs with Rinnegan activated!! Hes a better Rinnegan user than Nagato!
II.) People who say this clearly do not remember that Madara is also an Uchiha! Nagato only had the Rinnegan, and his large Uzumaki chakra reserves. Madara had his EMS, Rinnegan and Hashirama's DNA. Madara is in fact, another SO6P because he has DNA from the other half of the Sages blood(Senju) and has access to the ocular powers that he did. Madara Uchiha is a more powerful entity than Nagato if we look at it.
Not so fast, Madara may have more up his sleeve than Nagato. But that doesnt change the fact that he can't use Rinnegan as adeptly as Nagato can. Just because he can use EMS techs with Rinnegan activated doesn't mean hes a better Rinnegan user. This only means that Madara has come close to being another Rikudo Sennin and nothing else. If you strip Madara of his Uchiha heritage and his stolen Senju DNA, you're left with his Rinnegan which he has hardly any experience with.
The Sage of Six Paths would have been able to use both sets of techniques from the Sharingan and Rinnegan because he is the origin of the two doujutsus. Since Madara has all the traits of the Sage, of course he's able to use both sets of powers without changing his eyes. Its his body that holds the power of his techniques now rather than his eyes. Because if all of his powers were in his Rinnegan, then Nagato would have been able to use EMS techniques too with all of his expertise. But Nagato does not have Uchiha blood so he cannot do so. Madara Uchiha, more powerful than Nagato because of his extra advantages over him. However, he is not a better Rinnegan user than Nagato if you strip Madara of his extra perks and put them face to face in battle right now with only Rinnegan as a weapon.
I know most people wont read the entire thing, but Im only making this thread for those who want to debate a logical resolution without dealing with biased, disrespectful thread makers.
1) Who is really a more adept Rinnegan user? Madara Uchiha or Nagato Uzumaki?
I.) I believe that Nagato is the more powerful Rinnegan user than both Tobi and Madara. Here is the basis of my conjecture: Nagato has had 30+ years to perfect a doujutsu he has had since he first awakened it. Lets list some of Nagato's feats using his almighty Rinnegan:
-Integrated six seperate Rinnegan techs into six individual bodies. Thus creating the nearly unstoppable Six Paths of Pain.
-Can use all six powers when he was revived as an Edo, and most likely able to use them if he were not crippled by the Gedo Mazo. Rendering him a powerful opponent.
-Can easily manipulate six individual bodies as a formidable team all on his own using the shared vision.
-Powerful mastery over the powers of Rinnegan, being able to use a single Shinra Tensei to destroy all of Konoha and revive them all later on.
There are much more feats that Nagato has, but that should be enough to support Nagato for now.
Now Madara Uchiha has shown two incredible feats so far. Using Preta Path to absorb Rasenshuriken and summoning two meteors that wiped the floor with the vast majority of the battlefield. Keep in mind that this is Edo Madara.
Tobi on the other hand, has only used the Rinnegan as a shared vision advantage and cannot even use the Rinnegan techniques in any of his paths of Pain. This is also stated by Kakashi.
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Some members might think, 'Madara's Meteor attack killed an entire battlefield in a matter of seconds and is much more devastating than anything Nagato has done!' Heres what I have to say to that: Nagato also has the ability to summon meteors as well. Take a look:
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The meteor is small compared to the one Madara conjured but there is a good reason for it. Kabuto was not reckless and did not want to kill both Killer Bee and Naruto. This Naruto is the original Naruto fighting both Itachi and Nagato. Madara was able to use his almighty, powerful meteor because the Naruto on the battlefield then was only a clone and not the original. So we see that Nagato is able to use that power as well, but never is given a chance to show it.
So what do we have left? Oh yes, the Preta Path ability that Madara used. But as of this point in the manga, that is all he has compared to all of the feats Nagato has shown before Madara was even around.
It wouldnt make sense to call Madara a better Rinnegan user than Nagato because Madara only had his Rinnegan shortly before his death. There is no way that he would be able to learn of its secrets and master them in such a short time no matter how much of a genius he was. Nagato had his Rinnegan activated 24/7 and was never shown to have them off unless it was before he activated them. A ninja with such a powerful doujutsu activated as long as he has would be obviously the better user. However, if Madara had as much time to master it like Nagato did, then he would probably be taking the title as the best Rinnegan user and not Nagato.
2) Madara can use Sharingan Techs with Rinnegan activated!! Hes a better Rinnegan user than Nagato!
II.) People who say this clearly do not remember that Madara is also an Uchiha! Nagato only had the Rinnegan, and his large Uzumaki chakra reserves. Madara had his EMS, Rinnegan and Hashirama's DNA. Madara is in fact, another SO6P because he has DNA from the other half of the Sages blood(Senju) and has access to the ocular powers that he did. Madara Uchiha is a more powerful entity than Nagato if we look at it.
Not so fast, Madara may have more up his sleeve than Nagato. But that doesnt change the fact that he can't use Rinnegan as adeptly as Nagato can. Just because he can use EMS techs with Rinnegan activated doesn't mean hes a better Rinnegan user. This only means that Madara has come close to being another Rikudo Sennin and nothing else. If you strip Madara of his Uchiha heritage and his stolen Senju DNA, you're left with his Rinnegan which he has hardly any experience with.
The Sage of Six Paths would have been able to use both sets of techniques from the Sharingan and Rinnegan because he is the origin of the two doujutsus. Since Madara has all the traits of the Sage, of course he's able to use both sets of powers without changing his eyes. Its his body that holds the power of his techniques now rather than his eyes. Because if all of his powers were in his Rinnegan, then Nagato would have been able to use EMS techniques too with all of his expertise. But Nagato does not have Uchiha blood so he cannot do so. Madara Uchiha, more powerful than Nagato because of his extra advantages over him. However, he is not a better Rinnegan user than Nagato if you strip Madara of his extra perks and put them face to face in battle right now with only Rinnegan as a weapon.
I know most people wont read the entire thing, but Im only making this thread for those who want to debate a logical resolution without dealing with biased, disrespectful thread makers.
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