[END ALL DEBATE]- Who is faster, Naruto or Riakage?

[Decimation206]

OMG why is there even a debate the CREATOR OF THE MANGA even says he is faster.

 

[nakumaru]

DemonicAvenger did an analysis of the feat and proved that KM Naruto (or Rm as he calls him) is faster by a pretty large margin when we factor in Shunshin. BM increases that gap.

 

[fastrthnwind]

DemonicAvenger did an analysis of the feat and proved that KM Naruto (or Rm as he calls him) is faster by a pretty large margin when we factor in Shunshin. BM increases that gap.

Then you definitely haven't seen my counters for it.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

A may be faster with Oonoki lightening him, but that's doubtable.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Then you definitely haven't seen my counters for it.

There's really nothing to argue here. Narutos speed in RM alone puts A's to shame.

Flash Shunshin

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we can see that RM Naruto's unenhanced running speed is equal to V1 A's Shunshin speed.

This is a credible conclusion as Naruto and the Raikage both started moving at the same time and stopped at the same times. We even get a comparison if jumping speed and running movement speed. Neither gained the upper hand in movement.

Later we see RM Naruto using unenhanced running speed and effortlessly matching Edo Itachi's Taijutsu and Shunshin speeds. This further cements that

RM Naruto (unenhanced) = V1 A (Shunshin) > Itachi (Shunshin)

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Later in Naruto and the Raikage's encounter A decides that he's going to test Naruto.

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we can see in the top panel that Naruto is still using unenhanced running speed. Now the part I want you to focus on is the the timing of Naruto and The Raikage's movements.

We'll name the bottom right hand corner of that panel Y

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we can see when Naruto actually dodges the Raikage.

We'll call the largest panel in that scan where Naruto is saying "I won't fail" Z.

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In Panel Y we can see that the Raikage is already moving at full speed while Naruto is still at a light trot. The Raikage's is practically touching Naruto when Naruto uses Shunshin. Naruto then proceeds dodge A's punch an appear behind him.

This alone makes him substantially faster than A due to the fact that Naruto dodged A's punch at point blank. We can delve further into the scan and see that the gap between Naruto and A is actually quite large.

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. Notice the distance between Naruto and the rocks behind him. This is the distance that the Raikage covers from the time Naruto begins Shunshin till the time Naruto comes to a stop.

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we can see that the distance Naruto travel is even larger than the distance the Raikage Traveled. Also note that Naruto is hunched to his left, meaning that he moved in a half circle fashion. This tacks on even more distance as he traveled more ground than a linear path would suggest.

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The last and final layer we add onto this feat is actually really simple. The Raikage was already moving at full speed while Naruto wasn't. Naruto's feat included Accelaeration and deceleraion, meaning he was moving at full speed for the entire movement.

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In conclusion; Naruto moved a much farther distanced in less time while accelerating and decelerating. Bee cements this even further since he was able to keep up with V2 A, yet RM Naruto's Shunshin completely escaped his vision (Pre training at that).

To finish off our little equation.

BM Naruto (Shunshin) > RM Naruto (Shunshin) >>> V2 Raikage (Shunshin) > RM Naruto (unenhanced) = V1 A (Shunshin) > Itachi (Shunshin) = Sasuke (Shunshin) > V1 A (unenhanced) = Sasuke (Unenhanced)


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Naruto's speed has reached a level where no one in the manga would he able mentally register him moving. Kishi has even had to put The Villians in scenarios where Naruto's speed wasn't an option so they wouldn't be one shot material; such as Naruto and Obito fighting amongst debris only to rely in the Kamui tactic once it cleared up. Or Madara and Naruto going start for an AoE battle.

Kishi knew he phucked up once he gave Naruto perfect control of his speed after training when Naruto was already an experienced Martial Artist (Gama Kata)

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Naruto's speed has reached a level where no one in the manga would he able mentally register him moving.

Look

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Tsunade at that moment was moving at the speed of light through FTG and Madara could react to her lol. Of course Madara can react to Naruto.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Tsunade at that moment was moving at the speed of light through FTG and Madara could react to her lol. Of course Madara can react to Naruto.

Tsunade's teleportation was instant but not her attack. (That also wasn't FTG)

But on that note, Madara's reactions are freaking insane. He may honestly be the person I do a calc for next.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

most people can dodge a punch they expect to come. Fact is ay countered naruto/bee at the same time more times than naruto dodged a. Naruto might be a bit faster but ay has better reaction speeds/feats.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Tsunade's teleportation was instant but not her attack. (That also wasn't FTG)

But on that note, Madara's reactions are freaking insane. He may honestly be the person I do a calc for next.

Anyone with a sharingan can always see it. It depends on the body to react. Crunching numbers wouldn't yeild results since ppl in this show have feats like cutting/blocking lightening despite the nervous system/ body movement not being that fast.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Anyone with a sharingan can always see it. It depends on the body to react. Crunching numbers wouldn't yeild results since ppl in this show have feats like cutting/blocking lightening despite the nervous system/ body movement not being that fast.

That's blatantly false.

Sharingan gives increased Pre-Cog. It doesn't give someone the ability to see a movement no matter how fast the movement is. It's been apparent throughout the manga on separate occasions that movement can escape the Sharingan.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That's blatantly false.

Sharingan gives increased Pre-Cog. It doesn't give someone the ability to see a movement no matter how fast the movement is. It's been apparent throughout the manga on separate occasions that movement can escape the Sharingan.

2tome sharingan gives you the ability to see movement regardless of speed. Sasuke vs haku is a good example of this and it has already been stated by lee in part one.The third tome gives you the ability to predict movement based on what one already saw. If the body can't keep up that's the users fault but time and time again these facts have been proven.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

2tome sharingan gives you the ability to see movement regardless of speed. Sasuke vs haku is a good example of this and it has already been stated by lee in part one.The third tome gives you the ability to predict movement based on what one already saw. If the body can't keep up that's the users fault but time and time again these facts have been proven.

Itachi's hand seals escaped 2 3tomoe users

Sasuke said that "he couldn't make out Naruto's movements" when he had 2 tomoe.

Raikage completely escaped the Sharigan's sight

Sasuke when he had 2 tomoe couldn't make out Lee's movements, it's not only that he couldn't keep up. He literally couldn't see him.


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Get your facts straight. Sharingan mearly increases the Pre-cog and recognition of the eye.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Itachi's hand seals escaped 2 3tomoe users

Kakashi said he couldn't keep up. He saw the water drill and made a water wall. Both made clones.
Sasuke could have been more focused on the shuriken. After all itachi pulled the same gambit on kakashi. Using shuriken to distract him.

Sasuke said that "he couldn't make out Naruto's movements" when he had 2 tomoe.

When was this? Sasuke dominated the fight up until km0 mode and even then he put up his guard

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Raikage completely escaped the Sharigan's sight

Again....when did that happen? Sharingan precog helped him here:

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His eyes clearly followed him here.

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And when his body couldn't keep up he threw up his enton

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Sasuke when he had 2 tomoe couldn't make out Lee's movements, it's not only that he couldn't keep up. He literally couldn't see him.

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Reacting to lee's movements without sharingan

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Lee explaining that even though he can see he can't react.


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Get your facts straight. Sharingan mearly increases the Pre-cog and recognition of the eye.

A fully matured sharingan gives one the ability to see their opponents moves, predict what their opponents going to do, put them under genjutsu, control tailed beasts, and copy ninjutsu,genjutsu and taijutsu, that isn't classified as a keke genkai.

 

[Minator93]

Naruto's KCM is Faster than Ay's V2

So BM is obviously faster.

However thanks to Kakashi, we know that Minato and BM Naruto are equally fast U_U

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kakashi said he couldn't keep up. He saw the water drill and made a water wall. Both made clones.
Sasuke could have been more focused on the shuriken. After all itachi pulled the same gambit on kakashi. Using shuriken to distract him.



When was this? Sasuke dominated the fight up until km0 mode and even then he put up his guard

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Again....when did that happen? Sharingan precog helped him here:

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His eyes clearly followed him here.

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And when his body couldn't keep up he threw up his enton

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Reacting to lee's movements without sharingan

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Lee explaining that even though he can see he can't react.


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A fully matured sharingan gives one the ability to see their opponents moves, predict what their opponents going to do, put them under genjutsu, control tailed beasts, and copy ninjutsu,genjutsu and taijutsu, that isn't classified as a keke genkai.

Those movement still escaped their Sharingan. I don't see why your arguing that they can see an movement no matter how fast. Your going to have to provide proof or a statement in the manga. Otherwise yor just stating your bogus opinion.

A dodge Amaterasu because Sharingan couldn't follow him. He completely escaped Sasuke's Sharingan the second time and Sasuke put up Enton as a precaution. You only showed Sasuke countering a V1 A, which is not what we're discussing.

When Lee used the opening for Omoto Renge Sasuke was wondering what the hell happen, he couldn't see the movement at all.

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A fully matured Sharingan does not however allow the user to see any movement regardless of speed. That's just a blatant over wanking of the eye.

 

[Penguin]

KM, BM, TBM Naruto is faster than Raikage.