End all debate: Hiruzen did NOT fight a 100% Hashi and Tobirama.

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Hiruzen wasn't fighting at 100%, either. Not sure why it's relevant.

It was a greatly watered down fight for all parties.

Also, God of Shinobi applies to Hiruzen just as much as it applies to Hashirama and Rikudou Sennin. Dunno why people try to claim the title only belongs to one ninja.
That's fine, so long as it is not used to claim Hiruzen = Hashirama. This latest chapter proved that much. If Hashirama, and Tobirama were brought back near there full power, Hiruzen, and Minato were too. They most certainly are not as powerful as Hashirama.
 

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Agree lol.
Looks like Kishimoto retconed Hashirama into the god of shinobi like a boss, it was obvious Hashirama was gonna be the strongest after seeing what his DNA can do, It's like, wtf can't his DNA do?, so he needed to somehow imply Hashi and Tobirama weren't summoned at full strenght to validate the retcon.
 

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In relation to how strong he was in his prime I believe? The point, however, that I am really trying to make is that Hashi and Tobirama were not at 100%, not so much Hiruzen being at 100%.
Yes, but even if he was at his prime he'd have to sacrifice his life, but as Orochimaru said, if he was 10 years younger he would've been able to rip his soul out. Age was a GREAT and highly emphasized factor in Orochimaru's victory.. But your point is agreed with 100% due to the fact Hiruzen was retconned.
 

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Hiruzen has underwhelming feats and retconned hype. I always supported Hiruzen, but he was unfortunately confirmed as the weakest Hokage after latest chapter
 

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Didnt read. i still agree
This^
Hiruzen wasn't fighting at 100%, either. Not sure why it's relevant.

It was a greatly watered down fight for all parties.

Also, God of Shinobi applies to Hiruzen just as much as it applies to Hashirama and Rikudou Sennin. Dunno why people try to claim the title only belongs to one ninja.
And this^

I take Orochimaru's and Suigetsu's opinion on who is God, rather than Iruka's. LOL.
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