[VS] EMS Sasuke (w PS and CS2) and Edo Madara vs Six Paths of Pain, Edo Nagato and Gokage

[Fodder#4]

So, Edo Madara and Sasuke with PS vs Five Hokage, the Six Paths Of Pein, and EDO Nagato?

Team two high diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

SO HE CAN SENSE THAT SASUKE IS BEGINNING TO GUIDE SOMETHING ..Right when he senses Sasuke's chakra beginning to form he BT's Him ...Or Uses a summon to block the impact .. Although i think he could easily ST it away .. these will have to suffice .. Nagato>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kirin . I was not trying to say Preta could absorb Kirin .. i was saying the Nagato could see the chakra sasuke is using to control Kirin, While its forming and realize something is happening ..

Sensing that Sasuke is guiding Kirin with his chakra is moot. He won't be able to sense the actual lightning coming towards him. Saying that he can block Kirin with his sensing abilities is like saying he can sense a real bolt of lightning coming down at him. If he can't sense Kirin coming towards him then his reaction to Kirin won't be faster than it should be.

BT Sasuke while he's in Perfect Susanoo? Haha...no.

A Summon blocking Kirin when it tore through a V2 Susanoo? Not even sure If I'm supposed to take you seriously at this point.

You seriously need to learn how reactions work. Nagato can see the dragon up in the sky for the whole day if he wants, it won't stop the fact that he can't react to the lightning coming down and crashing in to him.

 

[H8OnItachi]

So, Edo Madara and Sasuke with PS vs Five Hokage, the Six Paths Of Pein, and EDO Nagato?

Team two high diff.

Please, please, please, tell me youre trolling. Edo madara solos in 5 mins, Sasuke solos in even less thanks to enton. Im losing faith in humanity right here.

EDIT: OT, add hashi to team 2, it at least becomes a not-so one sided fight, but even then, i could argue full potential madara (without kyuubi) solos hashi very high diff, while sasuke roflstomps the others, or maybe PS enton sword can burn the entier shinsusenju (?).

 

[Fodder#4]

Please, please, please, tell me youre trolling. Edo madara solos in 5 mins, Sasuke solos in even less thanks to enton. Im losing faith in humanity right here.

EDIT: OT, add hashi to team 2, it at least becomes a not-so one sided fight, but even then, i could argue full potential madara (without kyuubi) solos hashi very high diff, while sasuke roflstomps the others, or maybe PS enton sword can burn the entier shinsusenju (?).

You're overrating Sasuke and Madara a TAD too much. The Six Paths of Pein have near unlimited chakra here, thanks to their supplier. Edo Nagato. So, they can SPAM as Nagato can too. And the Gokage aren't nearly as weak as you think.

I am not going to get into a debate with you on this, though. I lack the time and interest. Think what you will, but I will keep my views on this battle until someone can prove otherwise to a point where I must agree.

 

[Zexion~]

Sensing that Sasuke is guiding Kirin with his chakra is moot. He won't be able to sense the actual lightning coming towards him. Saying that he can block Kirin with his sensing abilities is like saying he can sense a real bolt of lightning coming down at him. If he can't sense Kirin coming towards him then his reaction to Kirin won't be faster than it should be.

BT Sasuke while he's in Perfect Susanoo? Haha...no.

A Summon blocking Kirin when it tore through a V2 Susanoo? Not even sure If I'm supposed to take you seriously at this point.

You seriously need to learn how reactions work. Nagato can see the dragon up in the sky for the whole day if he wants, it won't stop the fact that he can't react to the lightning coming down and crashing in to him.

Right when it comes down he can activate ST .. really .. if Itachi could use susunoo .. Nagato can use ST which is a quicker technique .. But i was countering Realistic Sasuke using Kirin .. not this made up one for thread

-Nagato has just as good if not Better reflexes than itachi-

If it "Tore Though" the susunoo itachi would be dead.. but ya i get your point ..

 

[MickNerks]

You were better off just putting Team 1 against the Sage of 6 paths. Cause thats the only only who would challenge them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Right when it comes down he can activate ST .. really .. if Itachi could use susunoo .. Nagato can use ST which is a quicker technique .. But i was countering Realistic Sasuke using Kirin .. not this made up one for thread

-Nagato has just as good if not Better reflexes than itachi-

Even if you were countering realistic Sasuke using Kirin, BT'ing him won't stop him from simply moving his hand downwards.

The bold is completely baseless. Nagato has never shown the level of reflexes Itachi has shown. Period.

It doesn't matter how fast the tech is, if Nagato can't react its moot.

 

[-Raviel-]

Team 1-low-mid diff.This shouldn't even be a thread lol.

 

[Zexion~]

Even if you were countering realistic Sasuke using Kirin, BT'ing him won't stop him from simply moving his hand downwards.

The bold is completely baseless. Nagato has never shown the level of reflexes Itachi has shown. Period.

It doesn't matter how fast the tech is, if Nagato can't react its moot.

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Now i know the FRS is not as fast as the Kirin, But it still has impressive speed .. And these are all reflexes.. If you would be so kind to post Itachi;s reflexes if they are greater then these ( and their are a few others from the Jiraiya fight) Then that will settle that ..

P.S- As i look back on this thread i notice i was posting some pretty Big B.S .. lets just say i wasnt myself when i posted some of this XD..

 

[KidGamer65]

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Now i know the FRS is not as fast as the Kirin, But it still has impressive speed .. And these are all reflexes.. If you would be so kind to post Itachi;s reflexes if they are greater then these ( and their are a few others from the Jiraiya fight) Then that will settle that ..

P.S- As i look back on this thread i notice i was posting some pretty Big B.S .. lets just say i wasnt myself when i posted some of this XD..

1 isn't a valid reaction feat as Kakashi was slowed down by Pain via chakra receivers.

-Reacting to lightning (which hits the ground in a 1/1000th of a second) with Susanoo.

-Able to dodge two Fuhma Shuriken by jumping through them.

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-Able to weave hand signs faster than the Sharingan can perceive.

Though reacting to lightning is all I need as Nagato has never shown anything that implies he can react to something that fast while Itachi already did. So you're going to need to provide a feat of Nagato reacting to something as fast as or faster than lightning to say he can deflect Kirin.

 

[Zexion~]

1 isn't a valid reaction feat as Kakashi was slowed down by Pain via chakra receivers.

-Reacting to lightning (which hits the ground in a 1/1000th of a second) with Susanoo.

-Able to dodge two Fuhma Shuriken by jumping through them.

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-Able to weave hand signs faster than the Sharingan can perceive.

Though reacting to lightning is all I need as Nagato has never shown anything that implies he can react to something that fast while Itachi already did. So you're going to need to provide a feat of Nagato reacting to something as fast as or faster than lightning to say he can deflect Kirin.

No he has no feats of that caliber :/ ....So i suppose he can't counter Kirin Directly ...Although Naruka Path could simply revive the pain that was hit .. (If they were in 6pop of course)

 

[KidGamer65]

No he has no feats of that caliber :/ ....So i suppose he can't counter Kirin Directly ...Although Naruka Path could simply revive the pain that was hit .. (If they were in 6pop of course)

Considering Kirin's AoE was able to take out the whole Uchiha hideout.

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Depending on Pains formation, the blast would kill them all.

 

[Zexion~]

Considering Kirin's AoE was able to take out the whole Uchiha hideout.

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Depending on Pains formation, the blast would kill them all.

As you can tell i have not watched or read that fight in a while ... lol .. although i never understood why bring Naruka Path in the formation at all .. i would leave him in the outskirts of the battle ..

 

[Yashoda]

Alright, in any fight, you don't determine the winner based solely on what they can do (about 99% of these arguments) -- the fights should take into account combat style, so it's more like what they will do. There's no way Sasuke will start off with Kirin and just bombard the opponent. Also, Madara has been shown to use his moves about once or twice (he's old fashion), Susano'o-related techniques as an exception. Sasuke is a bit reckless and likes to start off strong against strong enemies. Madara, being much more experienced than his younger family member, works his way up to stronger techniques (so he won't be pulling PS out as soon as he sees a the green light). Sasuke will most likely start off with an Enton-based attack and/or Susano'o as he is an EMS addict. However, the question is not who will do what: but who will do what, and to whom? If Sasuke starts off charging at the Gokage with an Enton sword he's got another thing coming. I believe that Madara will probably challenge the Gokage first any way and send Sasuke else where to fight [Edo] Nagato and the paths. Note: Obito has already stated that in time, Sasuke will surpass Nagato. Now, the only factor to take into account after this is that Nagato is undead*. Sasuke does not have any sealing techniques to deal with resurrected enemies. By this time I believe Sasuke will use his Curse Mark (30-minute limit). Keep in mind, by the approximate end of the 30 minutes the Gokage will be dead (give about 20 minutes if will wish, but the outcome will be the same) -- it has been proven that they cannot handle an undead Madara. Nagato's best hope is to stall against an EMS CS2 Sasuke[!] which he will probably be evenly matched against until Madara's arrival. Edo Madara + EMS/CS2 Sasuke vs. Edo Nagato + Six Paths: a key component in this battle will be the level of teamwork within the teams. Madara and Sasuke have never fought with each other, weakening their chances for success. However, their alike Uchiha abilities complement one another's so their definitely still in the fight. Nagato has pinpoint mastery over his paths and unparalleled chakra control. In the end, the Uchiha take this fight. Nagato can't take on two PS's of two expert Uchiha. The paths will prove nigh-useless in this case.

--- I'm not saying this is guaranteed to happen in this exact fight, but I was considering not only their techniques but also their battle styles and personalities ---

*I assume Nagato's paths are not Edo
Important Question: Since Sasuke has the Curse Mark, has he absorbed Orochimaru, meaning he can Oro's abilities as well?

I actually thought Team 2 was going to win at first, then I realized...

 

[Sephiron]

Alright, in any fight, you don't determine the winner based solely on what they can do (about 99% of these arguments) -- the fights should take into account combat style, so it's more like what they will do. There's no way Sasuke will start off with Kirin and just bombard the opponent. Also, Madara has been shown to use his moves about once or twice (he's old fashion), Susano'o-related techniques as an exception. Sasuke is a bit reckless and likes to start off strong against strong enemies. Madara, being much more experienced than his younger family member, works his way up to stronger techniques (so he won't be pulling PS out as soon as he sees a the green light). Sasuke will most likely start off with an Enton-based attack and/or Susano'o as he is an EMS addict. However, the question is not who will do what: but who will do what, and to whom? If Sasuke starts off charging at the Gokage with an Enton sword he's got another thing coming. I believe that Madara will probably challenge the Gokage first any way and send Sasuke else where to fight [Edo] Nagato and the paths. Note: Obito has already stated that in time, Sasuke will surpass Nagato. Now, the only factor to take into account after this is that Nagato is undead*. Sasuke does not have any sealing techniques to deal with resurrected enemies. By this time I believe Sasuke will use his Curse Mark (30-minute limit). Keep in mind, by the approximate end of the 30 minutes the Gokage will be dead (give about 20 minutes if will wish, but the outcome will be the same) -- it has been proven that they cannot handle an undead Madara. Nagato's best hope is to stall against an EMS CS2 Sasuke[!] which he will probably be evenly matched against until Madara's arrival. Edo Madara + EMS/CS2 Sasuke vs. Edo Nagato + Six Paths: a key component in this battle will be the level of teamwork within the teams. Madara and Sasuke have never fought with each other, weakening their chances for success. However, their alike Uchiha abilities complement one another's so their definitely still in the fight. Nagato has pinpoint mastery over his paths and unparalleled chakra control. In the end, the Uchiha take this fight. Nagato can't take on two PS's of two expert Uchiha. The paths will prove nigh-useless in this case.

--- I'm not saying this is guaranteed to happen in this exact fight, but I was considering not only their techniques but also their battle styles and personalities ---

*I assume Nagato's paths are not Edo
Important Question: Since Sasuke has the Curse Mark, has he absorbed Orochimaru, meaning he can Oro's abilities as well?

I actually thought Team 2 was going to win at first, then I realized...

Bro... Amazing analysis and theoretical approach on the situation.

OT: No this is CS2 without Oro absorbed; which implies the lack of snake abilities and justus he gained after Oro absorbtion

I shall do an Edit to clarify.

 

[karol the don]

The uchiha team rapes

 

[AGoodBoy]

Edo madara solos.

He has all the abilities of 6 paths/nagato.

Gokage can't stop PS.

Adding that sasuke just turn high diff into no diff.