EMS sasuke vs war arc kakashi

[wael reda]

restrict legged susano and kakashi would mostlilely win high diff

susano enton arrows and enton shurukins can be evaded by going underground , kakashi showed that he can go underground in high speed so i think he would be able to avoid these arrows with this way, when kakashi sees sasuke aiming at him with susano’s bow ,he would avoid it by going underground and then he can cut sasuke’s legs with raiki Lol
so kakashi wont waste his kamui in warping susano arrows unlike some people think

amatrasu would get warped by kamui, if it caught him

v4 susano isnt that big and it can be warped by kamui easily,

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kakashi warped whole gedo’s arm in less than a second

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gedo’s arm is bigger than sasuke’s v4 susano

also kamui can bypass sasuke’s susano and warp sasuke ’s head or neck

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but if legged susano isnt restricted, then the fight would depend on kakashi, if he was late in using kamui, he would lose

 

[Transcendence]

Single Mangekyou Kakashi? Gets utterly stomped by EMS Sasuke. He could beat MS Sasuke, but he isn't touching EMS Sasuke. However, give Kakashi DMS and he stomps.

 

[Blunt]

Sasuke has to bite his finger, form hadnsigns, summon the hawk, get on him and fly in kakashis direction ( thats not instant)
In the same time kakashi has summoned 2 shadow clones and a ration shadow clone behind a mud wall which he places underground.(which he can do very fast)
Sasuke has intel on that, but he has to defeat them and he has to get down from his hawk.

Kakashi having intel on amaterasu will constantly stay on the move.
Sasuke has to move in a straight line if he tries to blitz kakashi out of the air, no problem for kakahsis 3T.
In close combat, speed and genjutsu they are on pair, sasuke has more strength and more chakra, while kakashis ninjutsus and knowdlge is better.
Don't forget about kamui, kakashi can let things out of his eye which he kamuied earlier, or hides in kamui land to prepear a strategy (Kage bun shins from the other dimension and from underground would attacking sasuke)

Ofc kakashi will loose a lot of chakra, but one should not forget that war arc kakashi has fine resources.
In the end he would be exhausted like years in hell, but he could win it very high diff.

First off, let me start off by saying you completely took my words out of context. I'm saying in this scenario, the first thing Sasuke is going to do, is summon his hawk. Biting his finger and summoning it takes less than two seconds, as he has done it free falling from a relatively small elevation, you fall at 60 feet per second. That says enough. When he does this, he engages, but instead of simply falling down, he uses Katon: Goukakyuu no Jutsu, which serves as a hindrance and to block Kakashi's LoS, when Kakashi sidesteps it, Sasuke lands w/Ribcage Susano'o activated and proceeds to engage Kakashi. Once he engages him, he uses Amaterasu on Kakashi's upper torso and blinds him, Sasuke has the same straight tomoe as Madara, so he should be able to see through clones, as Madara has stated they have the same eyes on two or more occasions

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His two Shadow clones serve nothing more than a hindrance, as I've already explained Sasuke can see through them.

If Kakashi decides to engage in CQC, he gets wrecked by V1 Susano'o, Enton usage (blade) and Raiton enhanced weapons. By no means is Kakashi capable of keeping up with Sasuke in CQC, as the latter has superior precognition, equal speed and slightly superior reflexes.

Underground Bunshins aren't changing much here, Sasuke has canonically fought someone who controlled the entire battlefield (mines below) and bombs above. He will be able to react to Kakashi fairly easy and his Hiding Like a Mole technique in conjunction with Shadow Clones.

Honestly, your whole argument is based off of clone feints and usage, yet Sasuke has experience fighting clones and can see through them. Not only that, but it seems like you are implying Kakashi can spam clones, which he can't.

 

[wael reda]

Lol, he doesnt need to touch him, he only needs to look at him, or he cant look at sasuke too?

 

[Beans2]

How does Sasuke counter a kamui snipe?

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

How does Sasuke counter a kamui snipe?

200M Starting distance, Amaterasu snipe once in range, can use his Susano'o to push dust up into the air, Susano'o arrow spam, the fact that Kakashi likes to develop strategies before resorting to Kamui.

 

[King Of Pop]

sasuke wins this.

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, or a quick

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can be used to quickly put kakashi on the defensive.

And then sasuke quickly activates legged v3, and fires arrows to force kakashi to use his kamui for defensive purposes and then when he is in a vulnerable state, sasuke then attacks him close range and cuts him up with

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[Raykyryn]

sasuke wins this.

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, or a quick

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can be used to quickly put kakashi on the defensive.

And then sasuke quickly activates legged v3, and fires arrows to force kakashi to use his kamui for defensive purposes and then when he is in a vulnerable state, sasuke then attacks him close range and cuts him up with

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1. Sasuke can't shoot arrows constantly. Otherwise he would have done it against Obito

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2. He doesn't have Kyuubi chakra cloak therefor he can't use legged Susanoo by feats.
3.Enton Kagusuchi isn't faster than a Rasenshuriken meaning it can be avoided quite easily by the likes of Kakashi, especially from long range.
4. Amaterasu makes the eyes bleed and the bleeding can be noticed so Kakashi will know when to dodge.
5. Kamui snipe gg.

 

[Blunt]

1. Sasuke can't shoot arrows constantly. Otherwise he would have done it against Obito

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2. He doesn't have Kyuubi chakra cloak therefor he can't use legged Susanoo by feats.
3.Enton Kagusuchi isn't faster than a Rasenshuriken meaning it can be avoided quite easily by the likes of Kakashi, especially from long range.
4. Amaterasu makes the eyes bleed and the bleeding can be noticed so Kakashi will know when to dodge.
5. Kamui snipe gg.

Is that your argument? Try harder, because nothing you said is changing the outcome of this battle.

 

[Raykyryn]

Is that your argument? Try harder, because nothing you said is changing the outcome of this battle.

You seem rustled.

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke techniques are useless, Kakashi goes to Kamui dimension then reappears to snipe him from his blind side.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Sasuke techniques are useless, Kakashi goes to Kamui dimension then reappears to snipe him from his blind side.

The fight ends once you leave the area unless stated otherwise in the OP.

 

[LuckyMan]

The fight ends once you leave the area unless stated otherwise in the OP.

Someone already said that and its just an excuse. I guess Obito should automatically lose all versus threads since he constantly goes in and out of Kamui dimension when he fights. The only restrictions the OP has is PS anyway so nothing else is restricted. What you're basically saying is Sasuke stands no chance against Kakashi unless we restrict his Kamui.

 

[Raykyryn]

The fight ends once you leave the area unless stated otherwise in the OP.

By this logic Kaguya's teleportation ability is useless.

 

[Zee U]

Pretty unfair if you ask me.

CQC: Can go either way, Kakashi is no pushover but Sasuke kept up with a SM user and has pretty awesome speed feats. Nagashi can counter close ranged Raikiri stabs and push back the opponent. Chidori Senbon can hit a relatively large space and Eiso can also push back Kakashi to mid range.

Overall: While Kakashi can't, Sasuke can block his opponent's LOS (and of consequence, Kamui which is the most important thign there) and still view him. He can set up Enton fields and smoke bombs, can create explosions and bait Kakashi to use Kamui with Susanoo arrows and Amaterasu, only to use Enton to manipulate the flames and roast his ass. He can fly with his hawks while in smoke bombs and use Kirin or Final Susanoo to clear the field along Kakashi since the latter lacks the firepower to compete.

Aoda greatly helps also since Kakashi would need to use Raiden (unless he is covered in Susanoo) or Kamui to dispose of him, and his chakra reserves would drop drastically, not to mention that hawks, enton and Sasuke himself would take advantage of that.


Sasuke just loses in the tactical department, nothing else. He wins without much problems.

 

[Blunt]

1. Sasuke can't shoot arrows constantly. Otherwise he would have done it against Obito

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2. He doesn't have Kyuubi chakra cloak therefor he can't use legged Susanoo by feats.
3.Enton Kagusuchi isn't faster than a Rasenshuriken meaning it can be avoided quite easily by the likes of Kakashi, especially from long range.
4. Amaterasu makes the eyes bleed and the bleeding can be noticed so Kakashi will know when to dodge.
5. Kamui snipe gg.

1. Kakashi was canonically forced to use Kamui against Susano'o arrows.

2. Sasuke does have legged Susano'o without KCC and it would most likely be around the same power level and size as Edo Madara's. You're just being ignorant if you are implying he can't utilize V3 despite spamming Susano'o and activating v4 twice in an instant.

3. Irrelevant, in CQC he is getting wrecked.

4. Amaterasu doesn't always make the eyes bleed, he's used it multiple times without it happening, other times it does. It's most likely dependant on execution speed or size.

5. Not happening, countered by myself and others above.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

By this logic Kaguya's teleportation ability is useless.

Not really. Kaguya teleports her enemy with her when ahe uses the Dimension Shift technique, so it's technically a loophole.
If Kaguya were to open a portal and escape to the Ice dimension by herself, then it's a forfeit.

Someone already said that and its just an excuse. I guess Obito should automatically lose all versus threads since he constantly goes in and out of Kamui dimension when he fights. The only restrictions the OP has is PS anyway so nothing else is restricted. What you're basically saying is Sasuke stands no chance against Kakashi unless we restrict his Kamui.

No, not at all. Obito physically leaves the dimension, but he's spiritually still in the battlefield, therefor, it's not a forfeit.
Nor did I ever state that Kamui is restricted. Kakashi is still able to snipe, but he can not warp himself to the Kamui dimension or else it is a forfeit.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Raykyryn;17398569]1. Sasuke can't shoot arrows constantly. Otherwise he would have done it against Obito

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he already fired

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in canon which pressured kakashi so he does the same here. unlike back then hes healthy here, and fresh hence he quickly launches some more. him not doing it there as a way to say he cant do it is bad logic.

2. He doesn't have Kyuubi chakra cloak therefor he can't use legged Susanoo by feats.

not sure if serious. what does kyuubi cloak have to do with soosano forming? Ems gives one the ability to develop his soosano further by giving it legs same as madaras legged variants, its based on skill. you think sasukes Ems is for show? he formed a stabilized ps without any kyuubi cloak, ps>>v3 legged so your argument here is moot.

3.Enton Kagusuchi isn't faster than a Rasenshuriken meaning it can be avoided quite easily by the likes of Kakashi, especially from long range.

and what of amaterasu? pretty sure i mentioned that as sasuke can follow it up after the kagusuchi, he uses v3 after those and proceeds to end the battle.

4. Amaterasu makes the eyes bleed and the bleeding can be noticed so Kakashi will know when to dodge.

sasuke can fire it off rather quickly in the scan i showed dont think kakashi can dodge ama, his best hope of dealing with that is kamui.

5. Kamui snipe gg.

not happening when he is getting pressured by soosano and enton attacks as well as arrows. the distance allows sasuke to make it null and void.

 

[QdonEms]

The people who say kakashi wins are most likely sasuke haters.

Kamui GG? Kakashi can only spam it about 3-4 max before he gets tired. Once that happens sasuke blitzes kakashi and we all know he cant react.

MS sasuke gave kakashi a hard time and sasuke was worn out.

 

[wael reda]

he already fired

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in canon which pressured kakashi so he does the same here. unlike back then hes healthy here, and fresh hence he quickly launches some more. him not doing it there as a way to say he cant do it is bad logic.


not sure if serious. what does kyuubi cloak have to do with soosano forming? Ems gives one the ability to develop his soosano further by giving it legs same as madaras legged variants, its based on skill. you think sasukes Ems is for show? he formed a stabilized ps without any kyuubi cloak, ps>>v3 legged so your argument here is moot.



and what of amaterasu? pretty sure i mentioned that as sasuke can follow it up after the kagusuchi, he uses v3 after those and proceeds to end the battle.


sasuke can fire it off rather quickly in the scan i showed dont think kakashi can dodge ama, his best hope of dealing with that is kamui.


not happening when he is getting pressured by soosano and enton attacks as well as arrows. the distance allows sasuke to make it null and void.

Lol, you make your sasuke attack and attack while kakashi stands there doing nothing but defending, that is BS and unfair

sasuke has no jutsu faster than kamui snipe, so If there is one who is going attack first, that one will be kakashi ,but even if sasuke attacked first, kakashi will counter then attack, he won't stand there waiting for sasuke’s second attack, that is unfair

susano arrows can be countred by going underground(fast and doesn't need hand signs), kamui isn't needed

one look and sasuke head gets warped away by kamui

saying kakashi won't attack with kamui snipe because sasuke will keep him in the defensive mode is BS, you better restrict kamui snipe and then I will agree with you