EMS Sasuke vs. The three Sannin
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Yo nice counter bro? You haven't stated how Orochimaru with hands loses to Sasuke... Sasuke can't chop him in half, he has substitution jutsu. Ameterasu is the only problem for Orochimaru in this fight and let's be honest, his snake form fodderizes that.
Jiraya solo's because he counters everything Sasuke has and still has more to defeat him with... Sound genjutsu, Katon + Oil, Dust storm to block the sharingan's vision, Gamabunta to fight susanoo(He stood against Shukaku).
I fail to see how Sasuke beats either of them as they both have counters to his jutsu. Don't reply with more dots, reply with counters to my argument; otherwise it's pointless to come at me.
@Drapshin, I see no counters from you either...? Cat got your tongue there?
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Amaterasu/Susanoo Arrow/ Enton Magatama/ = GG Tsunade, GG Jiraiya
Orochimaru alone isn't even a factor. Sasuke wins this with no to low diff.
Orochimaru alone isn't even a factor. Sasuke wins this with no to low diff.
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Orochimaru can't evade Susanoo arrows or Enton arrows first of all, if he gets pierced, he not only gets skwered, his insides and outsides are lit up with Amaterasu. Its debatable whether Oral Rebirth would work then due to the nature of the technique. (Old body coming up from new one) He isn't blocking it with Rashomon either when Kakashi's only option was Kamui, and Kakashi>Oro in speed and reactions.
Orochimaru can keep on using Oral Rebirth Sasuke would just keep on lighting him up till he died. Orochimaru doesn't stand a chance here.
-You mean the Sound Genjutsu he needs to summon Ma and Pa in order to use? Not to mention that it took him a whole chapter just to call on them and almost a whole chapter for the Sound Genjutsu. Him getting into Sage Mode isn't happening against EMS Sasuke let alone Sound Genjutsu.
-If he started in Sage Mode, he still wouldn't last long enough to prep the Genjutsu. Enton Magatama spam would end him with ease.
-Dust Storm is temporary and Jiraiya can't do anything to Sasuke in this time so there really is no point except escaping being one shotted by Amaterasu off the bat, doesn't save him from Amaterasu later on, which Jiraiya can't detect as he is not a sensor and he doesn't know about Amaterasu's bleeding to counter before its used. Even if he did, Sasuke doesn't bleed anymore.
-Wow, you think Katon and Oil is going to even harm Susanoo in the slightest? Please, Susanoo tanks without effort.
-I'm debating with myself whether I should even take you seriously right now. You think Gamabunta is going to toe to toe with a Susanoo that has Enton Weapons? An arrow, a magatama, or Enton Blade one shots him, hardly any effort has to be put into beating summons.
Sasuke shits on Jiraiya or Orochimaru 1 on 1. Especially the latter.
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not sure if trolling or serious
OT let Jman start in SM Sasuke still shitstomps no diff
1. Doesn't matter, Orochimaru can use the same jutsu he used against Naruto when his body was chopped in half. Kurama's red chakra was volatile to anyone who was touched by it, as Yamato said after Naruto re-transformed. orochimaru rejoined his body and fixed himself regardless, he'll be fine with enton.
Even if he keeps using oral rebirth and Sasuke keeps lighting him up, Orochimaru will still win... Sasuke will collapse before he even takes like half of Orochimaru's chakra. Oral rebirth is a substitution justu while Sasuke had to get an upgrade so his chakra didn't fall below zero after using ameterasu twice. Upgrade or not, Sasuke isn't spamming ameterasu as you suggest, and we already know that susanoo sword isn't doing shit all to Orochimaru.
2A. You say a whole chapter like it means something. With Orochmaru and Tsunade blitzing you actually believe he won't have plenty of time to pull this off? That's such a mediocre counter. You actually don't think he can get into sage mode after he summons Fukasaku and Shima and they can do it for him? This is such a sad debate honestly.
2B. If he starts in sage mode, all he does is summon ma and pa and they can keep feeding him nature energy while he fights... Even so, Sasuke can't target Orochimaru and Tsunde and Jiraiya all at the same time, and keep them all from doing finishing moves. Enton magatama isn't a long range jutsu, medium range at max. Orochimaru has no problem with it, substitution spam remember?
Tsunade is the only who might be effected by it, but if her byakugou is active she's fine. 2C. First, if he starts out in sage mode and summons Shima and Fukasaku, he fodderizes Sasuke in the dust(Unless susanoo is up). Notice how fast Jiraiya moves before Preta Path even realizes it:
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So uh, yeah about not being able to do anything? Jiraiya in sage mode can sense ameterasu, that's all that needs to be said on that matter tbh.
2D. I never said Katon and Oil beats susanoo? I said it stands up to ameterasu. Just as Sasuke's regular katon stood up to Itachi's ameterasu. Regardless of if it was eventually defeated, it still gives Jiraiya and crew to escape ameterasu's clutches. It's not even like the jutsu isn't spammable either. Katon and oil for days.
2E. You know what, I agree Gamabunta wouldn't be much of a factor. Swamp of the underwold however, fodderizes susanoo, and Sasuke for that matter. It was sucking up Manda while Jiraiya was at 20% chakra levels(poisoned). Imagine what a healthy Jiraiya can do with it?
You already know I come with all haymakers. Tap out now or get that work.
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Uh, Im too lazy for long response, but I just want to say one thing: SM Jiraiya has no sensing skills. Why? Becuase his SM is imperfect. If he had sensing abilities Pain wouldnt be able to do this. ->
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Asura didnt appear out from nowhere. Naraka path appeared on the battlefield, restored him, and then Asura dashed to Jiraiya. Jiraiya wasnt aware of him until he opened his mouth. If Jiraiya had sensing abilities he would notice all of that.
I guess you're right then, however, I don't see how him not being in perfect sage mode has to do with not being able to use sage mode sensing. What would the perfect aspect have towards sensing that imperfect sage mode doesn't?
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ell me more how he's going to reattach his body using snakes when:
When it comes to burning, Kurama's chakra is clearly inferior to Amaterasu, so no, he won't be fine with Enton.
Oral Rebirth still takes u
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, it being a substitution jutsu is completely irrelevant. Inb4 you say they are different, they aren't. The only difference is how they are used, this is still Orochimaru's substitution technique.Sasuke effortlessly uses these amounts of Amaterasu with pretty much no drawbacks or noticeable fatigue.
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In the above scan he fired enough projectiles to light every Zetsu on fire, for each one that hits him he'd have to use Oral Rebirth unless he wants to die. Using 1 of those isn't going to cost more chakra than using Oral Rebirth once. Not a chance.
Enton Sword, not Susanoo sword. Not to mention
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just how an arrow would pierce him, his insides and outsides get lit on fire, rendering Oral Rebirth useless.Not to mention I still haven't heard from you how Orochimaru wins. I'm not really surprised though, cause offensively Orochimaru can't even phase Sasuke in the slightest when ET is restricted. All you are doing is saying he'll Oral Rebirth from all his moves and that Sasuke will die of using Enton so much despite him using great amounts of Amaterasu at one time w/o feeling any kind of fatigue or strain. lmao, petty.
What the hell are you talking about? If you obviously couldn't tell with my post, my qualms were with you saying Jiraiya can solo, so why are you even mentioning Orochimaru and Tsunade here?
It clearly does mean something, it means that it takes a while for the jutsu to be prepped.
When I said starts in SM, I was referring to him starting with them summoned, wondering how that is even relevant to anything I said.2B. If he starts in sage mode, all he does is summon ma and pa and they can keep feeding him nature energy while he fights... Even so, Sasuke can't target Orochimaru and Tsunde and Jiraiya all at the same time, and keep them all from doing finishing moves. Enton magatama isn't a long range jutsu, medium range at max. Orochimaru has no problem with it, substitution spam remember?
Going by feats, Sasuke takes a dump on Preta Path when it comes to reflexes and speed, not to mention the former has Sharingan, but as you said, its moot if Susanoo is up, so there is nothing left to say here.
Scans of Jiraiya being able to sense? Until then he can't do it. So once he gets an opportunity, Amaterasu fries him.
Ok...Then Susanoo tanks it and he finishes off Bunta with Enton. It being able to stand up against Amaterasu means nothing here as they aren't always going to clash like Itachi and Sasuke did in Katon.
Not even seeing why Sasuke would attempt to counteract with Amaterasu when it dwarfs anything he can produce at once.
Yomi Numa isn't a factor here. Its still liquid just like water is and ninja have been shown to stand on water by focusing their chakra to their feet, the same goes for Yomi Numa.
Also, I could have sworn that it only trapped generic snakes, not Manda. Don't know where that 20% chakra level came from, was it in the manga? Eh, doesn't matter either way.
Not to mention his Susanoo has been shown to have legs where he stands in the head of it, and its as big as Naruto's Bijuu Mode. If its standing tall it'd take a while for Jiraiya to sink it. In this time Susanoo can still take Jiraiya out as it's upper body (Bow and Arrow
Apparently imperfect SM comes with some flaws. Imperfect Sage cant completely balance physical, spiritual and natural energy, thats the reason why Jiraiya went through partial frog transformation, and most probably, why he couldnt sense things.
That could be the case with normal sensors, but SM users sensing abilities are much greater. -
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Sasuke's perfect susanoo stomps them low diff sasuke before legged susanoo could win this med-high
I don't think they were finding it,theu were just far away. Howeber, in that scan you posted, previous pages stated that the island was suppose to erase the chakra from those off the island. So this makes no sense unless it develps from experience. If that is the case, SM (perfect or imperfect) have sensing ability. But it needs training, otherwise itwill be lke regular senors