Ems Sasuke vs Killer B

[sayian]

sc1: no jutsus, only swordsmanship

sc2: enton-sword /chidori variants and v1 cloak/tentacles/samehada allowed.


sc3: no restrictions

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[SumireKakei]

I still think Killer Bee because of the 8 tail's help.

 

[KidGamer65]

S1: Sasuke loses. Don't think just getting EMS will let him actually overcome B in close combat this time around. He definitely won't be stomped like before though.

S2: Sasuke wins. Enton Kagutsuchi. Nuff said.

S3: Sasuke one shots.

PS>>>Hachibi Mode.

 

[Holy God]

sc1: no jutsus, only swordsmanship

The others are obvious, but this somewhat depends on whether Sasuke has just awakened the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan or if he's already adjusted to Host Obito's speed.

 

[Microsword57]

S1: Sasuke loses. Don't think just getting EMS will let him actually overcome B in close combat this time around. He definitely won't be stomped like before though.

S2: Sasuke wins. Enton Kagutsuchi. Nuff said.

S3: Sasuke one shots.

PS>>>Hachibi Mode.

I don't understand. Killer B should be win scenario 2. Lighting blocks Sasukes Chidori variants, sameheda absorbs Enton, version 1 cloak is physically dominant and with tentacles he could still utilize his other swords while wielding sameheda

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't understand. Killer B should be win scenario 2. Lighting blocks Sasukes Chidori variants, sameheda absorbs Enton, version 1 cloak is physically dominant and with tentacles he could still utilize his other swords while wielding sameheda

Sasuke's Enton projectiles fired from that blade are about half as large as FRS's explosion. Samehada can only absorb what it touches and it didn't like it when it was hit with regular fire let alone black flames of that size. Lightning streaming works against Sasuke's own streaming, but not Chidori itself. That also doesn't protect his other swords. If they get caught on fire and B is left with Samehada he won't beat Sasuke in Kenjutsu.

V1 cloak being physically dominant is irrelevant. Sasuke was dodging him w/ 3-Tomoe and an injured body, and Sasuke has the firepower to penetrate his cloak if given the opportunity. Tentacles are also irrelevant and don't let him merge his two styles. It's not a matter of whether or not he can hold all those weapons. Seven Swords Dance is a style that only works due to his blades and his physical ability. Samehada is too large for that.

 

[Microsword57]

Sasuke's Enton projectiles fired from that blade are about half as large as FRS's explosion. Samehada can only absorb what it touches and it didn't like it when it was hit with regular fire let alone black flames of that size. Lightning streaming works against Sasuke's own streaming, but not Chidori itself. That also doesn't protect his other swords. If they get caught on fire and B is left with Samehada he won't beat Sasuke in Kenjutsu.

V1 cloak being physically dominant is irrelevant. Sasuke was dodging him w/ 3-Tomoe and an injured body, and Sasuke has the firepower to penetrate his cloak if given the opportunity. Tentacles are also irrelevant and don't let him merge his two styles. It's not a matter of whether or not he can hold all those weapons. Seven Swords Dance is a style that only works due to his blades and his physical ability. Samehada is too large for that.

Good attention to detail. I looked back at the Itachi V. Killer B fight and he does put sameheda down before using his multiple sword skills. That alone makes it very easy to ignite with his Enton sword.

 

[sayian]

The others are obvious, but this somewhat depends on whether Sasuke has just awakened the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan or if he's already adjusted to Host Obito's speed.

Right but didn't the 8 style basically disrupted the sharingan's ability to focus it's precognitive tracking anyway.

S1: Sasuke loses. Don't think just getting EMS will let him actually overcome B in close combat this time around. He definitely won't be stomped like before though.

S2: Sasuke wins. Enton Kagutsuchi. Nuff said.

S3: Sasuke one shots.

PS>>>Hachibi Mode.

Kinda figured you'd say that about sc1 lol, can any uchiha go toe to toe w/ Killer B in hand/sword combat? madara?

 

[Holy God]

Right but didn't the 8 style basically disrupted the sharingan's ability to focus it's precognitive tracking anyway.

It's because Sasuke was trying to keep track of every sword at the same time (which he can't do with his peripheral vision) and didn't notice Bee. With his eyes being good/fast enough to track Host Obito, it should be less of a problem.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kinda figured you'd say that about sc1 lol, can any uchiha go toe to toe w/ Killer B in hand/sword combat? madara?

Madara was fast enough to intercept SM Naruto who could only raise his arm in response to Madara's speed. SM Naruto's much faster than Base Bee and Bee has to toss up his blades and position himself for his Acrobatics which is more than enough time to blitz Bee.

If Bee were using his Acrobatics however, it's anyone's guess.

 

[KidGamer65]

Right but didn't the 8 style basically disrupted the sharingan's ability to focus it's precognitive tracking anyway.


Kinda figured you'd say that about sc1 lol, can any uchiha go toe to toe w/ Killer B in hand/sword combat? madara?

If Sasuke can't then no. Madara has done nothing to prove that he's more skilled in Kenjutsu than Sasuke. If we're giving Madara access to his own weapons though then he'd beat B in close combat.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

S1: Sasuke loses. Don't think just getting EMS will let him actually overcome B in close combat this time around. He definitely won't be stomped like before though.

S2: Sasuke wins. Enton Kagutsuchi. Nuff said.

S3: Sasuke one shots.

PS>>>Hachibi Mode.

S1 draw. As per manga the only reason he got caught was by suprise after the chidori sword fails. No jutsu allowed so just swordsmanship. Sasuke was tracking B with 3T in that fight. EMS > MS > 3T. I'm leaning Sasuke but I would go with a draw.

The rest I agree.

 

[KidGamer65]

S1 draw. As per manga the only reason he got caught was by suprise after the chidori sword fails. No jutsu allowed so just swordsmanship. Sasuke was tracking B with 3T in that fight. EMS > MS > 3T. I'm leaning Sasuke but I would go with a draw.

The rest I agree.

He was clearly on the defensive even before he used Chidori Katana.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

Sasuke loses the first fight, wins the rest.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Sasuke wins the 1st and loses the rest, his tracking speed increased with ems no doubt but it wasn't bee's speed he was having an issue with, it was his completely unorthodox movements

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Sasuke wins the 1st and loses the rest, his tracking speed increased with ems no doubt but it wasn't bee's speed he was having an issue with, it was his completely unorthodox movements

If his tracking skills improved doesn't that mean he should be more capable of reading unorthodox movements.
I think you may have it the other way around as in Sasuke loses the first one and wins the rest. Because in s1, he has the highest chance of losing due to lack of ninjutsu and only relying on swordsmanship.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

If his tracking skills improved doesn't that mean he should be more capable of reading unorthodox movements.
I think you may have it the other way around as in Sasuke loses the first one and wins the rest. Because in s1, he has the highest chance of losing due to lack of ninjutsu and only relying on swordsmanship.

Holy fu k your right, I didn't even notice I wrote it like that. Yea I meant he loses the first and wins the rest. As far as the tracking thing goes, the way I look at it, the problem is having all those swords to keep track of, and what he might possibly do with them, as he does seem to be able to attack with some as well as move others' position during combat(the swords). That's what would make it insanely difficult to track imo, jj obito was moving somewhat linearly, he was just going blazing fast. KB's kenjustu "style" seems to be incredibly easy to faint with or "whiff" with one while still attacking with with another pretty quickly

 

[Edogawa]

If his tracking skills improved doesn't that mean he should be more capable of reading unorthodox movements.

No, because tracking Obito's normal speed /=/ reading Bee's unorthodox swordsmanship /=/ physically reacting blocking or dodging Bee's swordsmanship. This was already stated and shown:

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Rock Lee is far faster than Neji, yet got stomped in CQC because of Neji's unorthodox Gentle Fist. So it doesn't matter how EMS improved Sasuke's reactions, he still hasn't shown any physical improvements suggesting he could block Bee's unorthodox swordsmanship, and gets fodderized as it happened before.

Scenario 1 - Bee fodder-stomps.
Scenario 2 - Still fodder-stomps him because Chakra Cloak negates Enton.
Scenario 3 - TBB blows him up.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

No, because tracking Obito's normal speed /=/ reading Bee's unorthodox swordsmanship /=/ physically reacting blocking or dodging Bee's swordsmanship. This was already stated and shown:

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Rock Lee is far faster than Neji, yet got stomped in CQC because of Neji's unorthodox Gentle Fist. So it doesn't matter how EMS improved Sasuke's reactions, he still hasn't shown any physical improvements suggesting he could block Bee's unorthodox swordsmanship, and gets fodderized as it happened before.

Scenario 1 - Bee fodder-stomps.
Scenario 2 - Still fodder-stomps him because Chakra Cloak negates Enton.
Scenario 3 - TBB blows him up.

Sc 1 sasuke . Bcuz in that fight juugo stated sasuke's injuries in his fight with itachi wasnt healed , therefore his movements were slow and even then sasuke was keeping up with him , it was just that his swords were unorthodox .
Sc2 killer B . Sasuke . Because of amaterasu and chidori .
Sc3 sasuke . V3 susanoo tanks all of bee and samehada but still it will be a close battle as samehada can shred anything .

 

[Draegod]

S1: Sasuke loses. Don't think just getting EMS will let him actually overcome B in close combat this time around. He definitely won't be stomped like before though.

S2: Sasuke wins. Enton Kagutsuchi. Nuff said.

S3: Sasuke one shots.

PS>>>Hachibi Mode.

Bee wins all the scenrios unless you're giving Rinnegan PS feats to EMS smaller much much lower PS chakra feats. Are we using Rinnegan PS to determine the power of EMS ps?

Enton is neglected by cloak, cannon fact. Sama absorbs and heals at the same time.