[VS] EMS Sasuke vs KCSM Naruto

[Izanamı.]

Condition: Sasuke has Juugo boosting up his Susano'o

Restriction: PS, legged Susano'o



Scenario 2: Sasuke can use legged Susano'o



Who would win?

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[KidGamer65]

Sasuke loses scenario 1, but wins scenario 2.

 

[Lariatoo]

^^ That's sounds about right with me.

 

[Beans2]

Naruto wins both scenarios

edit: he loses Scenario 2

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto wins both scenarios,

no kyuubi cloak boosting legged susanoo, means that sasukes susanoo would be atleasst 6x weaker than the one he formed in canon,
so regardless of the senjutsu boost, a couple of Bijuudama Rasengan should do the trick

 

[KidGamer65]

^ No feats or hype for Bijuu Dama Rasengan that'd even begin to imply it'd take down Sasuke's Susanoo, not to mention his Susanoo not being as strong as it was when Naruto was buffing it=/=Being unable to beat KCSM Naruto.

 

[Beans2]

^how does legged Susanoo change the outcome of the battle?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Naruto wins scenario 1, looses scenario 2.

 

[KidGamer65]

^how does legged Susanoo change the outcome of the battle?

Mobility combined with an Enton Blade, Amaterasu, and the ability to track and react to people as fast as Juubito means that no FRS is ever hitting his Susanoo. If thrown, it's evaded by Susanoo. If guided with chakra arms, Amaterasu or Enton Blade turns it to flame, it having Senjutsu thrown into the mix only makes said mobility much greater.

Without legs for his Susanoo, he's a sitting duck for any FRS that is thrown by Naruto regardless of being able to track and react.

 

[ARGUS]

^ No feats or hype for Bijuu Dama Rasengan that'd even begin to imply it'd take down Sasuke's Susanoo, not to mention his Susanoo not being as strong as it was when Naruto was buffing it=/=Being unable to beat KCSM Naruto.

Uh, yes there are, Bijuudama rasengan was hyped to be superior to an FRS, which IMO when boosted by KCSM can definitely bust V3 susanoo
so a stronger attack would eradicate it

and without the 6x boost, his susanoo is not having anywhere near the durability, mobility, and strength compared to what he made in canon,

not seeing why you are giving this weaker susanoo the same feats as the one that was made in canon

 

[Beans2]

Mobility combined with an Enton Blade, Amaterasu, and the ability to track and react to people as fast as Juubito means that no FRS is ever hitting his Susanoo. If thrown, it's evaded by Susanoo. If guided with chakra arms, Amaterasu or Enton Blade turns it to flame, it having Senjutsu thrown into the mix only makes said mobility much greater.

Without legs for his Susanoo, he's a sitting duck for any FRS that is thrown by Naruto regardless of being able to track and react.

Ah, didn't see Sasuke got a senjutsu boost. Well in that case he wins, seeing how he "tagged" Juubito so Naruto won't be able to dodge.

 

[Icelerate]

Mobility combined with an Enton Blade, Amaterasu, and the ability to track and react to people as fast as Juubito means that no FRS is ever hitting his Susanoo. If thrown, it's evaded by Susanoo. If guided with chakra arms, Amaterasu or Enton Blade turns it to flame, it having Senjutsu thrown into the mix only makes said mobility much greater.

Without legs for his Susanoo, he's a sitting duck for any FRS that is thrown by Naruto regardless of being able to track and react.

Though wasn't Sasuke's V3 susanoo's mobility further boosted by Naruto's Kurama cloak? Even so without the cloak, the susanoo would be smaller so I guess that may somewhat compensate and still allow Sasuke's unenhanced V3 to retain a large amount of its mobility. Sasuke's V3 susanoo was as fast as Naruto with Kurama avatar but Naruto without the Kurama avatar should be much faster due to not lacking mobility so with a large number of clones, I could see Naruto pulling it off. However, if Naruto merges KCM with SM, he'd risk turning into a frog with too many clones so I guess Naruto may not have enough clones to act as diversions.

Sasuke probably wins scenario two with mid difficulty. Scenario one is a mid diff win for Naruto though.

 

[KidGamer65]

Uh, yes there are, Bijuudama rasengan was hyped to be superior to an FRS, which IMO when boosted by KCSM can definitely bust V3 susanoo
so a stronger attack would eradicate it

Nope. My debate with another member (Touken) made me realize this line of thinking was flawed. Naruto aimed to create a full sized Bijuu Dama, but failed, meaning Naruto aiming to use that means Full Sized Bijuu Dama>FRS, which is something we already know, not Bijuu Rasengan>FRS.

and without the 6x boost, his susanoo is not having anywhere near the durability, mobility, and strength compared to what he made in canon,

Doesn't need to.

not seeing why you are giving this weaker susanoo the same feats as the one that was made in canon

Never did. Not once. I specifically said that Sasuke not having that specific Susanoo isn't any kind of evidence that he'd lose to KCSM Naruto. I'm not sure why you are using him not having a KCC Senjutsu Susanoo as an argument for his loss, when that argument implies that KCM Naruto is near Juubito in strength...when he's nowhere near Juubito in speed and strength, so he doesn't need a construct that's capable of tagging Juubito.

Though wasn't Sasuke's V3 susanoo's mobility further boosted by Naruto's Kurama cloak? Even so without the cloak, the susanoo would be smaller so I guess that may somewhat compensate and still allow Sasuke's unenhanced V3 to retain a large amount of its mobility. Sasuke's V3 susanoo was as fast as Naruto with Kurama avatar but Naruto without the Kurama avatar should be much faster due to not lacking mobility so with a large number of clones, I could see Naruto pulling it off. However, if Naruto merges KCM with SM, he'd risk turning into a frog with too many clones so I guess Naruto may not have enough clones to act as diversions.

Sasuke probably wins scenario two with mid difficulty. Scenario one is a mid diff win for Naruto though.

Yes, it's stats got a tremendous boost, but he'd obliterate Naruto with a Susanoo that powerful, he doesn't need a Legged Susanoo on par with the one he used against Juubito to defeat someone much weaker than BM Naruto. Then there's the fact that Sasuke has a Senjutsu boost for his Susanoo this time around. (Large increase in power as the manga has continually shown us) Madara, with the smallest V3 Susanoo he's ever made (against Bijuu) has the mobility to jump across the battlefield in one leap. His V2, transforming to v3, so I guess a kind of inbetween Susanoo w/o any kind of boost had the mobility to jump behind the Edo Kage,

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Only half of that is needed to evade/counter FRS.

And yes, Naruto w/o the Avatar is faster due to Shunshin, but that's pretty much it. Avatar strikes faster than he does, moves longer distances at one time than he does too, as seen when BSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar was fast enough to tag the likes of Juubito, despite Naruto himself not being able to, and even if you argue that BSM Naruto>>>KCSM Naruto, since the latter is the one used in the match up, my comparison stands as it proves that the Avatar strikes and moves faster than Naruto outside of Shunshin...which is something Naruto himself can't spam. Combine that with something like a Senjutsu Susanoo used by a guy with the reactions to react to Juubito, and a Susanoo that strikes faster than his basic movement, and Naruto might not have a good chance at winning.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Since when did a Kurama cloak increases durability? Kurama chakra doesn't fuse in with who ever it's on it only gives them much greater reserves which makes a Jutsu aoe/size much bigger. Sasuke standing Susanoo was only inhanced via size not durability. Kakashi Kamui was only increased via size that's it.

It could go either way i would debate for either of the 2 so im going with draw. ​

 

[Conspirator.]

Naruto takes S1, but S2 goes to Sasuke.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Naruto for both ^.^

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when did a Kurama cloak increases durability? Kurama chakra doesn't fuse in with who ever it's on it only gives them much greater reserves which makes a Jutsu aoe/size much bigger. Sasuke standing Susanoo was only inhanced via size not durability. Kakashi Kamui was only increased via size that's it.

It could go either way i would debate for either of the 2 so im going with draw. ​

Lol, dafuq? It makes the jutsu stronger, period. Kamui increasing in size is how Kamui gets stronger. Kamui isn't Susanoo, so why you are using Kamui to prove that Susanoo only got a size increase is beyond me.

Not to mention if Sasuke had the Legged Susanoo he used on Juubito, he'd shitstomp Naruto here with lowest of difficulties, lol @ the prospect of a draw.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol, dafuq? It makes the jutsu stronger, period. Kamui increasing in size is how Kamui gets stronger. Kamui isn't Susanoo, so why you are using Kamui to prove that Susanoo only got a size increase is beyond me.

Not to mention if Sasuke had the Legged Susanoo he used on Juubito, he'd shitstomp Naruto here with lowest of difficulties, lol @ the prospect of a draw.

Larger isn't stronger. Susanoo is just as good as it's user chakra reserves. Which is why DMS Kakashi Ps was puny. Compared to Sasukes and Madaras. Kurama chakra only makes your jutsu bigger/larger which is why Kamui was so huge because Kakashi reserves were boosted through the roof which is why Sasuke Susanoo was bigger than the Kurama avatar. Kurama chakra doesn't fuse with who ever it's touching it only increases there reserves. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Larger isn't stronger. ​

Never said it was.

Susanoo is just as good as it's user chakra reserves.

No, it's not.

Which is why DMS Kakashi Ps was puny. Compared to Sasukes and Madaras.

Except it wasn't, at least when comparing Sasuke and Kakashi's.

[QUOTE]Kurama chakra only makes your jutsu bigger/larger which is why Kamui was so huge because Kakashi reserves were boosted through the roof which is why Sasuke Susanoo was bigger than the Kurama avatar. Kurama chakra doesn't fuse with who ever it's touching it only increases there reserves. ​

[/QUOTE]

"Kamui got 3x stronger"

Kakashi disagrees. Manga disagrees. Everything shown disagrees. Bigger=/=Stronger, and the jutsu the Shinobi used were clearly and undeniably shown to be stronger. Same goes for Susanoo.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Never said it was.



No, it's not.



Except it wasn't, at least when comparing Sasuke and Kakashi's.

[QUOTE]Kurama chakra only makes your jutsu bigger/larger which is why Kamui was so huge because Kakashi reserves were boosted through the roof which is why Sasuke Susanoo was bigger than the Kurama avatar. Kurama chakra doesn't fuse with who ever it's touching it only increases there reserves.[/GLOW][/COLOR][/CENTER][/FONT]

"Kamui got 3x stronger"

Kakashi disagrees. Manga disagrees. Everything shown disagrees. Bigger=/=Stronger, and the jutsu the Shinobi used were clearly and undeniably shown to be stronger. Same goes for Susanoo.[/QUOTE]

What Jutsu did the SA use to prove these claims? Kakashi Susanoo was a mix of his and Obito's chakra plus it had some Hagoromo chakra in it. Also i was clearly smaller than Sasuke's seeing

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). Kaguya who is a giant was much smaller to Sasuke .(

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