EMS Sasuke Vs. Kakashi and Gai

[Ambriel]

Ambriel's a fanboy dude, its pointless to talk logic to him. Let him live in his "sasuke makes so6p his bitch!" fantasy world.

Sasuke fanboys...ugh, worse than a trap fetish.

You say this but you gave me no fact on how they win

They can beat Mei and Tsunade and i see also Kakashi beating Gaara.
Also for Amaterasu, do you know that Kage bunshin or karawimi exist in the mangas?? And have you forgotten how Kakashi fights?(yeah with kage bunshin ). Have you forgotten also he has Kamui which can absorb it easily? Have you forgotten Sasuke is not the only one who can attack?(yeah you forget really the case if kakashi uses kamui before him).

Do you also forget that Guy with gates is too fast for Sasuke? So he can't spam Amaterasu because he will have even difficulties to follow Guy.

Sasuke shot like 15 Amaterasu discs at zetsu you think he cant waste one on kakashi shadow clone. Tell me this what attack does kakashi have that will get him past susanoo if he uses Kumai he will be caught in sasuke genjutsu. Guy is fast but he has no jutsu that will break susanoo and guy doesnt last long in gate mode he will tire out leaving him open for a susanoo arrow

 

[Bogard]

Sasuke shot like 15 Amaterasu discs at zetsu you think he cant waste one on kakashi shadow clone. Tell me this what attack does kakashi have that will get him past susanoo if he uses Kumai he will be caught in sasuke genjutsu. Guy is fast but he has no jutsu that will break susanoo and guy doesnt last long in gate mode he will tire out leaving him open for a susanoo arrow

- He cast 15Amaterasu discs at Zetsu so what?? Zetsu are only peace of cake. Even Konohamaru can beat them. When Sasuke beat an elite/kage level ninja which an attack like that, you call me.

- Kakashi is not the type of ninja who fight carelessly. He always observs attack of ennemi(when he doesn't know it) by casting kage bunshin or kawarimi. It's stated in the manga. Chouza told that in the fight against Pain. Sasuke can't get him that easily.

- Kakashi uses doton technics. He can go underground which is the weak point of Susanoo. It will be a peace of cake for him to get Sasuke this way.

- genjutsu is not Sasukes fighting style. He's not like his brother. He prefers ninjutsu. He only use genjutsu when he can't do either way.

- Sasukes genjutsu is too weak to be able to take Kakashi in it(he was even able to withstand a bit Itachis Tsukiyomi before he collapsed, and that is when he had a normal Sharingan. Now he has MS), and even if it works, as we've seen against Danzo, it only take 1second, so it's pointless.

- Kakashi doesn't need to see Sasuke in his eyes to use kamui, so i don't know why you talk about genjutsu. Is there eyes(sharingan) now on an arm? On a heart? On a foot? :sy:

 

[Ambriel]

- He cast 15Amaterasu discs at Zetsu so what?? Zetsu are only peace of cake. Even Konohamaru can beat them. When Sasuke beat an elite/kage level ninja which an attack like that, you call me.

- Kakashi is not the type of ninja who fight carelessly. He always observs attack of ennemi(when he doesn't know it) by casting kage bunshin or kawarimi. It's stated in the manga. Chouza told that in the fight against Pain. Sasuke can't get him that easily.

- Kakashi uses doton technics. He can go underground which is the weak point of Susanoo. It will be a peace of cake for him to get Sasuke this way.

- genjutsu is not Sasukes fighting style. He's not like his brother. He prefers ninjutsu. He only use genjutsu when he can't do either way.

- Sasukes genjutsu is too weak to be able to take Kakashi in it(he was even able to withstand a bit Itachis Tsukiyomi before he collapsed, and that is when he had a normal Sharingan. Now he has MS), and even if it works, as we've seen against Danzo, it only take 1second, so it's pointless.

- Kakashi doesn't need to see Sasuke in his eyes to use kamui, so i don't know why you talk about genjutsu. Is there eyes(sharingan) now on an arm? On a heart? On a foot? :sy:

When kakashi fought sasuke last time he almost got killed by a susanoo arrow but he kuami it away and after he felt the side effects, if kakashi goes under ground it wont do nothin he still wont touch sasuke. Kakashi doesn't have to fight carelessly sasuke is too much for him Susanoo Arrow or Amaterasu is too op one hit he will die. Sasuke used genjutsu in most of his fight just because he not better than itachi doesnt mean he suck at it. If kakashi is lookin at sasuke to focus on kumai he will be in a genjutsu aint no way around it.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

Sasuke wins... i wonder if susano can withstand gai's 7 gates

 

[Bogard]

When kakashi fought sasuke last time he almost got killed by a susanoo arrow but he kuami it away and after he felt the side effects, if kakashi goes under ground it wont do nothin he still wont touch sasuke. Kakashi doesn't have to fight carelessly sasuke is too much for him Susanoo Arrow or Amaterasu is too op one hit he will die. Sasuke used genjutsu in most of his fight just because he not better than itachi doesnt mean he suck at it. It kakashi is lookin at sasuke to focus on kumai he will be in a genjutsu aint no way around it.

- First of all, it was not "one" Susanoo arrow. It was 2. Just take a look here:

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- If he goes underground he will catch Sasuke easily that way, so i don't know why you think he can't. Just forget the fact you don't want Sasuke lose and consider the situation, and you will see it will be pretty easy that way.

- You have also forgotten that if Sasuke look at Kakashi, he will also fall in his genjutsu.

- Kakashi doesn't need to look Sasuke in his eyes to cast Kamui. Sasuke can't do nothing if Kakashi teleport his heart, his foot, or his head away.

- Kakashi has already shown that he can even fight Itachis genjutsu. Sasukes genjutsu will be a peace of cake.

- For Susanoo arrows or Amaterasu too much for him, just don't forget, Kakashi is not the only one who will have side effects of his jutsus, and even if they have side effects, that doesn't mean they can't still continue fighting. The fact Kakashi had a side effect doesn't mean he could not spam Kamui again and again. As i've already said in another topic:

Yeah that's what we should call a side effect of his jutsu like Sasuke also had here:

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(You can see him sweating)
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(he seems to have difficulties to breath and stay up)
Like here too:

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(here it seems like his life is even in danger)

I can show you a lot of scenes in that fight where Sasuke was in difficulty but that bring nothing. There were also scenes where he had difficulties to stay up and his mouth was bleeding because he had difficulties to maintain Susanoo for too long and launch his arrows.

But all that doesn't mean that even if they have side effects of their jutsus, they can't still fight. Proof is that after that Kakashi noticed the side effect of the jutsu, he was able to continue fighting with ease(he gave a blow to Sasuke that made him go way to the bridge:

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He also managed to escape quickly to a clone that manage to take him from behind, jumped and catch Naruto with ease:

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So even if kamui has a side effect on him, it doesn't mean he can't do that again and again. You are always saying that, if Sasuke throws 3arrows it will be over for Kakashi, but what you have forgotten is that even in the fight against Danzo, he only manage to throw it 3/4 times(forgotten) and even during that, he had side effects of his jutsus.

Kakashi is not the only one who will get tired.

 

[Ambriel]

- First of all, it was not "one" Susanoo arrow. It was 2. Just take a look here:

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- If he goes underground he will catch Sasuke easily that way, so i don't know why you think he can't. Just forget the fact you don't want Sasuke lose and consider the situation, and you will see it will be pretty easy that way.

- You have also forgotten that if Sasuke look at Kakashi, he will also fall in his genjutsu.

- For Susanoo arrows or Amaterasu too much for him, just don't forget, Kakashi is not the only one who will have side effects of his jutsus, and even if they have side effects, that doesn't mean they can't still continue fighting. The fact Kakashi had a side effect doesn't mean he could not spam Kamui again and again. As i've already said in another topic:

Yeah that's what we should call a side effect of his jutsu like Sasuke also had here:

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(You can see him sweating)
Or here:

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Here too:

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(he seems to have difficulties to breath and stay up)
Like here too:

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(here it seems like his life is even in danger)

I can show you a lot of scenes in that fight where Sasuke was in difficulty but that bring nothing. There were also scenes where he had difficulties to stay up and his mouth was bleeding because he had difficulties to maintain Susanoo for too long and launch his arrows.

But all that doesn't mean that even if they have side effects of their jutsus, they can't still fight. Proof is that after that Kakashi noticed the side effect of the jutsu, he was able to continue fighting with ease(he gave a blow to Sasuke that made him go way to the bridge:

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He also managed to escape quickly to a clone that manage to take him from behind, jumped and catch Naruto with ease:

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).

So even if kamui has a side effect on him, it doesn't mean he can't do that again and again. You are always saying that, if Sasuke throws 3arrows it will be over for Kakashi, but what you have forgotten is that even in the fight against Danzo, he only manage to throw it 3/4 times(forgotten) and even during that, he had side effects of his jutsus.

Kakashi is not the only one who will get tired after that if we consider that the fight would have occured at that time.

I say it because time has past since that. Now it seems Sasuke control Susanoo more easier than before, and Kakashi can fight during 2days against 7swordsmen+haku+2guy with KG+5Jinchurikis along with Guy. So maybe their stamina are far more impressive as they were at that time.

Sasuke shot one susanoo arrow at kakashi and he had to kuami it away then he says he feel weakens, now if he felt weak after one susanoo arrow how would he kumai 3 or 4 away he Wouldn't he will die.

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EMS sasuke has shot already four susanoo arrow, Amaterasu and genjutsu and no side effects because he doesn't get them anymore

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

They can beat Mei and Tsunade and i see also Kakashi beating Gaara.
Also for Amaterasu, do you know that Kage bunshin or karawimi exist in the mangas?? And have you forgotten how Kakashi fights?(yeah with kage bunshin or kawarimi ). Have you forgotten also he has Kamui which can absorb it easily? Have you forgotten Sasuke is not the only one who can attack?(yeah you forget really the case if kakashi uses kamui before him).

Do you also forget that Guy with gates is too fast for Sasuke? So he can't spam Amaterasu because he will have even difficulties to follow Guy.

Mei>>>>Kakashi
Tsunade>>>Kakashi
Gaara>>>Kakashi

Mei is so far superior to kakashi it's a joke just mentioning kakashi beating her.The only dumb logic a kakashi fan can used is Mei would just get Kamui.As if she would stand still without attacking while Kakashi suck her in.For every jutsu Kakashi has Mei has a counter.And from watching the fight between the five Kage and Edo Madara she has large chakra reserve which is something you can't say for kakashi.

Tsunade versus kakashi is nearly the same.Unless we are going to go the Kamui her to death route, how can kakashi killed Tsunade when she is using the strength of a thousand jutsu?

Gaara is Kakashi best bet seeing as his sand is earth and Kakashi is a lightning users.The only problem is the speed of Gaara's sand and the sheer amount he can use to attack kakashi with.Again, only hope of winning is the kamui, which I can't see even a stationary fighter like Gaara getting hit with.


As for the rest of your post,have you forgotten Gai can be as fast as lightning but that won't help him penetrate Susanoo?Have you forgotten that while kakashi can use Kamui, Sasuke can fire Susanoo arrow after arrow until Kakashi is out of chakra and is basically dead weight? Have you forgotten Sasuke can used Amaterasu projective to hit multiple targets?

Yeah, you must have forgot.

 

[Bogard]

Sasuke shot one susanoo arrow at kakashi and he had to kuami it away then he says he feel weakens, now if he felt weak after one susanoo arrow how would he kumai 3 or 4 away he Wouldn't he will die.

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EMS sasuke has shot already four susanoo arrow, Amaterasu and genjutsu and no side effects because he doesn't get them anymore

- Have you even seen my image?? It was two. Just take a look at it.
- As i've said, when Kakashi felt weak after one kamui, Sasuke looked as if he was almost dying here:

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So don't think Sasuke can spam arrows so easily. He has also his side effects.
- I don't know where you have seen EMS Sasuke launching 4Susanoo arrows. So far i've seen it, it was only 2.
- Sasukes stamina is not the only one who has improved. Kakashis also. He fought since 2days against 7swordsmen+Haku+2guy with KG+plenty of Zetsus+5Bijuus and he also thought he could use Kamui 5/6times to absorb Bijuu ball after all that.

 

[GorreVisor]

I really like when fun boys defends the obvious...
Okey, so let`s get started... Databook states that guy has way higher stamina than Sasuke does... he knows how to fight against sharingan by not getting into genjustu through dojustu.
Let`s just say he enters into the 4th Gate in an instant, and he won`t proceed further... we now that he can hold this state further than Sasuke, while he retains the immense speed and power. Sasuke is cornered into using the hard-to-retain Susanoo and Amaterasu spamming, cuz let`s be honest, at Guy`s level of Taijutsu he don`t have anything else. Guy easly outlasts Sasuke, I hope you won`t argue about that. If Sasuke`s chakra is depleted, Guy finishes him off for good.

Possible events:
-Sasuke casts a genjustu with handseals powerful enought on Guy, that he can`t dispel by himself... but theres Kakashi, who can easly read that with his sharingan, and dispels it for him.

-Sasuke may engage in melee combat with guy without Susanoo, using Amaterasu and lightning style and sharingan for evading... again, Guy is much faster than Sasuke in every aspect, and he enters 7th Gate faster than Sasuske can make his Susanoo armored, not even at full. Getting a Daytime Tiger in point blank without armored Susanoo, well you know that.
`Note: during this, Guy might get hit by Amaterasu while he enters 7th gate and do Daytime Tiger, but Sasuke dies, and after that Kakashi maybe can get rid of the amaterasu... or Guy chops down his arm...

Peace.

 

[Bogard]

Mei is so far superior to kakashi it's a joke just mentioning kakashi beating her.The only dumb logic a kakashi fan can used is Mei would just get Kamui.As if she would stand still without attacking while Kakashi suck her in.For every jutsu Kakashi has Mei has a counter.And from watching the fight between the five Kage and Edo Madara she has large chakra reserve which is something you can't say for kakashi.

Kamui is not even needed here. Kakashi will win her in taijutsu where she sucks so far i've seen her. In a team with Genma, Chojuro and a lot of jounins she could not even manage to take out one Zetsu during 2days. She is clearly the weakest kage.

Tsunade versus kakashi is nearly the same.Unless we are going to go the Kamui her to death route, how can kakashi killed Tsunade when she is using the strength of a thousand jutsu?

Tsunade all she can do is taijutsu but even there she sucks in speed. Kakashi is much faster than her and has sharingan to predict his movements, so she could only difficulty manage to touch him. And i don't even talk about his feints with Kage bunshin and Kawarimi which was even able to fool a Rinnengan user like Pain, a sharingan user like Itachi. So even Tsunade could get fooled. If she lands a heat to a raiton kage bunshin for example, it could open a great gape where Kakashi could land a raikiri on her heart or kamui when she got paralysed.
He can even put her in a genjutsu when it's needed.

Gaara is Kakashi best bet seeing as his sand is earth and Kakashi is a lightning users.The only problem is the speed of Gaara's sand and the sheer amount he can use to attack kakashi with.Again, only hope of winning is the kamui, which I can't see even a stationary fighter like Gaara getting hit with.

Genin Sasuke and Lee were able to pass through his sand defense. Kakashi is much faster than them. Also chidori pass through his ultimate defense. Raikiri which is more powerful will just rape it. Gaara has no chance for me unless he fight in a desert.
He can put him in a genjutsu when it's needed.

As for the rest of your post,have you forgotten Gai can be as fast as lightning but that won't help him penetrate Susanoo?Have you forgotten that while kakashi can use Kamui, Sasuke can fire Susanoo arrow after arrow until Kakashi is out of chakra and is basically dead weight? Have you forgotten Sasuke can used Amaterasu projective to hit multiple targets?

Tsunade was able to break through Susanoo. I consider the power of Guy in 6/7gates open much higher than Tsunades. So he will raped Susanoo in pieces. And Sasuke can't do what you think against Kamui. He will be on a difficult phase where he will fight for his life.

 

[Ambriel]

- Have you even seen my image?? It was two. Just take a look at it.
- As i've said, when Kakashi felt weak after one kamui, Sasuke looked as if he was almost dying here:

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So don't think Sasuke can spam arrows so easily. He has also his side effects.
- I don't know where you have seen EMS Sasuke launching 4Susanoo arrows. So far i've seen it, it was only 2.
- Sasukes stamina is not the only one who has improved. Kakashis also. He fought since 2days against 7swordsmen+Haku+2guy with KG+plenty of Zetsus+5Bijuus and he also thought he could use Kamui 5/6times to absorb Bijuu ball after all that.

The day sasuke fought danzo he shot like 4 susanoo arrows total and he only shot one at kakashi. Sasuke has launched four arrows if u want pics tell me, Ms has side effects it CAUSES you to go blind EMS doesn't. kakashi chakra has alway Ben low cuz of the sharingan why do you think he covers it up, it really dont matter about stamina kakashi will be killed before he can even make sasuke break a sweat.

 

[Bogard]

The day sasuke fought danzo he shot like 4 susanoo arrows total and he only shot one at kakashi. Sasuke has launched four arrows if u want pics tell me, Ms has side effects it CAUSES you to go blind EMS doesn't. kakashi chakra has alway Ben low cuz of the sharingan why do you think he covers it up, it really dont matter about stamina kakashi will be killed before he can even make sasuke break a sweat.

- I don't know how you can't see 2arrows. Ok i will show it clearly this time. Just see it:

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- When i say Sasuke only shot 2arrows so far, i was talking about the current Sasuke EMS we have seen so far. For Danzo, maybe he did 4arrows, but he had side effects of it. That's what i'm talking for. Kakashi is not the only one who has it.

- Yes Kakashi had low stamina because of Sharingan, but his stamina has improved great a lot. Even Neji could not stay a day long fighting and must got be healed only by fighting Zetsus. Kakashi manage to fight 2days long against powerfuls oponents and now Tobi.

 

[ZeroCross2]

Sasuke is fast enough to beat kakashi and gai, Sasuke hands down

 

[Ambriel]

- I don't know how you can't see 2arrows. Ok i will show it clearly this time. Just see it:

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- When i say Sasuke only shot 2arrows so far, i was talking about the current Sasuke EMS we have seen so far. For Danzo, maybe he did 4arrows, but he had side effects of it. That's what i'm talking for. Kakashi is not the only one who has it.

- Yes Kakashi had low stamina because of Sharingan, but his stamina has improved great a lot. Even Neji could not stay a day long fighting and must got be healed only by fighting Zetsus. Kakashi manage to fight 2days long against powerfuls oponents and now Tobi.

Here is sasuke shootin four Susanoo Arrow since he got EMS:

Here he used his fully armored susanoo which shoots a arrow covered in Amaterasu.
He killed Zetsu with one and he used the other to destroy the ceiling and get outside.

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Here the 3rd one in his complete susanoo

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Here's the fourth one

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Hmm it seems you were right he did kumai both of them away s ok that means sasuke can shoot multiple arrow I didnt know that thanks. Low stamina high stamina how does kakashi own sasuke

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Sasuke wins, easy to mid difficulty.

 

[Bogard]

- I haven't seen the fourth image. I don't think he got out of Tobis backward with Susanoo. As i've seen that, he cut it with his kusanagi.
- He use something like a Amaterasu blade to take out Zetsu. It was not an arrow.
- Time has passed since he has beaten Zetsu(1day or maybe more). He even manage to walk through 3villages without seeing someone. He had time to recover. Just see how fast Gai has recovered after his fight against Kisame when he was almost dying.

Hmm it seems you were right he did kumai both of them away s ok that means sasuke can shoot multiple arrow I didnt know that thanks. Low stamina high stamina how does kakashi own sasuke

I'm always right :scorps: And for your question, Kamui is there^^

 

[Ambriel]

- I haven't seen the fourth image. I don't think he got out of Tobis backward with Susanoo. As i've seen that, he cut it with his kusanagi.
- He use something like a Amaterasu blade to take out Zetsu. It was not an arrow.
- Time has passed since he has beaten Zetsu(1day or maybe more). He even manage to walk through 3villages without seeing someone. He had time to recover. Just see how fast Gai has recovered after his fight against Kisame when he was almost dying.

I'm always right :scorps: And for your question, Kamui is there^^

Which image didnt you see I can list the chapter and u go reread em. Haha you not always right but you did make things better for sasuke if he can shoot multiple arrows he could probably shoot his Amaterasu disc and Arrows at the sametime. Bogard u still didn't tell me how kakashi wins. Haha one day didn't past its still the same day as now that he fightin kabuto and he shot four arrows

 

[Bogard]

Which image didnt you see I can list the chapter and u go reread em. Haha you not always right but you did make things better for sasuke if he can shoot multiple arrows he could probably shoot his Amaterasu disc and Arrows at the sametime. Bogard u still didn't tell me how kakashi wins. Haha one day didn't past its still the same day as now that he fightin kabuto and he shot four arrows

How does it make it better? In the contrary, it proofs that number is not a problem for kakashi to kamui it(like he also wanted to kamui 5/6 TBB)

I have already told you how Kakashi wins, but you don't want to accept it. He can kamui Sasukes head or heart. He can take him from underground which is Susanoos weakness.

 

[Rafeal brown]

I really like when fun boys defends the obvious...
Okey, so let`s get started... Databook states that guy has way higher stamina than Sasuke does... he knows how to fight against sharingan by not getting into genjustu through dojustu.
Let`s just say he enters into the 4th Gate in an instant, and he won`t proceed further... we now that he can hold this state further than Sasuke, while he retains the immense speed and power. Sasuke is cornered into using the hard-to-retain Susanoo and Amaterasu spamming, cuz let`s be honest, at Guy`s level of Taijutsu he don`t have anything else. Guy easly outlasts Sasuke[/RED], I hope you won`t argue about that. If Sasuke`s chakra is depleted, Guy finishes him off for good.

Possible events:
-Sasuke casts a genjustu with handseals powerful enought on Guy, that he can`t dispel by himself... but theres Kakashi, who can easly read that with his sharingan, and dispels it for him.

-Sasuke may engage in melee combat with guy without Susanoo, using Amaterasu and lightning style and sharingan for evading... again, Guy is much faster than Sasuke in every aspect, and he enters 7th Gate faster than Sasuske can make his Susanoo armored, not even at full. Getting a Daytime Tiger in point blank without armored Susanoo, well you know that.
`Note: during this, Guy might get hit by Amaterasu while he enters 7th gate and do Daytime Tiger, but Sasuke dies, and after that Kakashi maybe can get rid of the amaterasu... or Guy chops down his arm...

Peace.

firstly, taijutsu is quite useless against sasuke due to amaterasu shield we saw that during the kage summit arc, if guy engages in taijutsu with sasuke he'd get crushed like danzo... Same can be said about kakashi so taijutsu is out of the option here
secondly, at bolded part: sasuke held susanoo and other jutsus for a reasonable amount of time while enduring it's side effects against danzo, so i doubt guy in 4 gates can outlast him... Sasuke always has kirin as a last resort Besides 4th gates is not enough to evade amaterasu or susanoo arrows and it's debatable if 7 gates can, in fact it took the fastest ninja, A to escape it so good luck to 4 gates guy lasting minutes against a amaterasu spammer like sasuke...
Susanoo can tank any attack guy throws at sasuke be it daytime tiger or whatever you call it... The real threat here is kakashi who will probably die due to amaterasu as well.

 

[Ambriel]

How does it make it better? In the contrary, it proofs that number is not a problem for kakashi to kamui it(like he also wanted to kamui 5/6 TBB)

I have already told you how Kakashi wins, but you don't want to accept it. He can kamui Sasukes head or heart. He can take him from underground which is Susanoos weakness.

kakashi would've kumai 1 or 2 tbb then died. Only reason ppl think susanoo weakness is underground is because Onoki helped gaara lighten his sand an pull madara out of it. If kakashi try to kumai sasuke he will be in a genjutsu anyway Amaterasu which is faster than the arrow will kill kakashi he cant kuami it cuz it will already be on His body before he knows what happen