EMS Sasuke Vs Itachi and Kisame

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Right back at you, show me proof that any person besides Nagato, can have more than one contract summoning at a time.
They can't look it up...And When was the last time Sasuke used Hawks? Chapter 488 or something like that.
He does not have Hawk summons anymore, deal with it.

What Amaterasu logic? That it doesn't disintegrate a person instantly?
That is a fallacy, ask 7 pages worth of instantly vaporized Nagato about that.

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What is focusing? Adding more flames?
Any further flames added are just absorbed... Its the initial ignition that does the damage, once it begins getting absorbed, how is adding more flames going to damage him when they get absorbed and any damage done gets healed?

Maybe you should stop with the petty insults and actually bring something to the debate?

So in your humble but utterly rubbish opinion, Sasuke didn't have the Snake contract when he brought out the Hawk and now he has somehow done the exact opposite? This reverse argument crap is non-nonsensical and without merit. But keep harping on for no apparent reason as Sasuke's use of Hawk and Snake proves that one can have two summoning contracts. There is nothing to debate here.

What the hell have you been skimming theough:

Danzo - Gone before Sasuke could blink:

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Nagato, reduced to bones in a second:

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. The only reason he didn't turn to ash is because he has an immortal body which was desperately trying to heal, and it only managed so completely when the flames were knocked off.

Focus is a very common biology term for eyes, and it means to focus the vision. Once the eye is completely focused on a point, the flames spawn faster. And what kind of logic is separating beasts from humans for Amaterasu? You don't make a crock of sense with that one.

lol sperg some more, clown.
Itachi used a V2 Susanoo to block Natural Lightning. The one in the picture is a V3.

This would not stop your womanly tape recorder, but who knows, we might have a miracle in the making here:

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- Kirin has burned through Susano'o, burning Itachi's clothes and skin.

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- Level 4 Susano'o reformation with Mirror Yata, and Sword Totsuka.
- V3 Susano'o? I would love to see a scan of this before Lightening hit him. Hilarious -

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As for your Yata Mirror Claim.

Itachi and Sasuke Versus Kabuto:

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- Four Armed Complete Susano’o.

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- Complete Susano’o with Yasaka-Magatama. Both of these are V3 versions.

Itachi and Jinchurikis’ Versus Nagato:

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This Scan is important as the Susano’o is STILL forming and yet the classic V3 weponery is already visible -

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- Complete Susano’o with Yasaka-Magatama.

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- Itachi pulls out a Level 4 or Final Susano’o to use Sword Totsuka to seal Nagato.

Funny Story: Where is THAT mirror Yata with V3, formation or complete form you were bawling about and foaming at the mouth? The way you churn out Bull-Shit is legendary. Itachi couldn’t seal him with V3, which is why he brought out the V4 form as it’s THIS form with which Yata and Totsuka are equipped.

Until next time you appear with more garbage induced nonsense, such as Magatama and Rasanshuriken exploding, Minato moving around and now this is added to the list of butt-pull-out gems.

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

Samehada 'latched' onto the V2 cloak and then in the next scan you see it being pulled off.

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I haven't said it would kill him knowing that Samehada can heal him. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be slight damage. Susanoo arrow cut clean through a tree and Danzo's chest. The only reason the chakra rods deflected Susanoo arrow is because they came at it with a greater force. Do you honestly think that if it were to hit Samehada it would just 'bounce' off and not even pierce through? That was Zetsu transformed into Kisame.. I've already posted the scan of Sasuke 'recreating' the feat. You can argue that Naruto's chakra makes his Susanoo 3x stronger but, the sword wasn't nearly as big as the branch. Thus he recreated it just on a smaller scale. I just showed you proof that it burns faster when focused on. It burned completely through the toad's stomach and the wall in seconds but, yet that's not a good enough feat? You can keep saying that you want a scan of a focused amaterasu on a human all you want. You're not going to get one, as there isn't one. Explain to me why tree's didn't burn completely after amaterasu sat on them for awhile? The answer that can be used is that it wasn't focused on. Yet, you still think that it burns slow after me showing you a scan of Itachi focusing on amaterasu and it burns through a wall completely. Kisame's jutsus are mostly large scale. Why the hell would Itachi be standing right next to him to protect him? Even if he knows it's happening he isn't making it to Kisame quick enough to protect him. Unless you really think that Itachi can shuunshin quicker than lightning can hit. Which is absurd. Sasuke can stop Kisame from using Dai Bakusui Shōha during the prep time (spitting out the water) with amaterasu which is spawned on the target. Itachi is a non-factor during this fight and is worn out after using 3-4 MS techniques. Tsukuyomi is useless seeing as Sasuke can break it, amaterasu is countered with amaterasu, and his Susanoo can't be kept up for long. I'll provide any manga scans if needed.

Lol don't want to continue this in the thread?

I don't see what your trying to prove with that scan, the moment of contact cannot be more than a second, as once you get hit by Lariat you go flying.
So in that small moment of contact, all of that chakra was forfeit, I say forfeit as it going to be absorbed but hasn't happened yet, but it will.
It's wither like I said above or it means once they have made contact, then they can absorb chakra from a distance when they feel like it, which is a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Samehada scales are obviously extremely strong, if it can tank a V2 Lariat, with only a few broken scales, it has a far greater defence then Chakra rods, which have been broken by Naruto multiple times.
So like you said if it is swung with a greater force, then yes Samehada can in fact counter Enton arrow.

I don't really feel like arguing the Susanoo slash, as it is an extremely weak argument.
What exactly is that going to do against WD?

We never actually get to see the Amaterasu burning through the toads stomach, so what scans are you talking about proved he can focus it?
Do not create a focusing jutsu for lack of a better answer, as to the inconsistencies of Amaterasu, as that is called providing false evidence.
As there is no definitive proof that focusing even exists, lets exclude that from this argument.

The trees didn't burn? Show me proof that they didn't burn, because last time I checked Itachi set the entire forest on fire, and then they were never really shown after that until the Konoha team encountered them, which I may add was quite far away and had obviously spread.

When Sasuke used Kirin you remember it wasn't exactly instant...
He had to go to the highest point in the area and he stood there connecting with sky.
This is when Kirin starts...

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This is him concentrating all the force into a dragon....

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And this is when he uses it....

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Why it was considered instant, is when it is actually used, as it would travel at the speed of light once discharged and is completely inavoidable.
Itachi's shunshin is extremely fast, one of the fastest shunshin which aren't boosted by other jutsu i.e Raiton, Space time, KCM.
He could quite easily blitz to Kisame, when Sasuke is readying Kirin, as this step is not instant and is extremely obvious.

Another point how is Sasuke going to hit Kisame with Kirin, if he cannot see/find him?

So Sasuke's one and only counter for Dai Bakusui Shoha is to Amaterasu him, whilst he is using it?
That may temporarily stop him (focusing doesn't exist), but then he can absorb that, and try again, with a clone if need be and don't forget Itachi can distract Sasuke, that's a benefit of teamwork.

Also Dai Bakusui Shoha only required one seal and then to spit water out, he is going to have to occupy Kisame non stop, to prevent the one second it requires for this jutsu to be activated and begin flooding the entire area, which he can't really do without getting close and that means Susanoo gets absorbed.
Wait re flooding as he has already used Bakusui Shoha, so half of the water is already there.


Itachi is definitely not a non factor, because if Sasuke drops Susanoo for even a second he will get Amaterasu'd and that will kill him.

As I said earlier he will not extinguish Amaterasu when it is burning him, this can be proven when he couldn't maintain Susanoo, because of the pain of Kabuto's White Rage.
This is the exact same concept, he couldn't concentrate to maintain Susanoo, he won't concentrate to extinguish Amaterasu.
Amaterasu counters Amaterasu da fuq?


Actually if you look at this scan Itachi used one continuous Amaterasu, whilst following Sasuke.

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The amount of flames used in that Amaterasu probably amount to at least 5 regular Amaterasu, so if you think 4 MS jutsu is his limit your wrong.
Another fact that this is an Itachi, who was on his deathbed and virtually blind from 7+ years with his Mangekyou. A younger Itachi is far more dangerous.

Itachi uses one Amaterasu to kill Aoda and Susanoo once to protect Kisame from Kirin, that's two MS Jutsu left by your count.
These are the only compulsory MS techs he uses , the rest can be handled by Kisame.
Sooooo no he is not worn out or blind.

Sasuke is simply outmatched in this fight.

So in your humble but utterly rubbish opinion, Sasuke didn't have the Snake contract when he brought out the Hawk and now he has somehow done the exact opposite? This reverse argument crap is non-nonsensical and without merit. But keep harping on for no apparent reason as Sasuke's use of Hawk and Snake proves that one can have two summoning contracts. There is nothing to debate here.

What the hell have you been skimming theough:

Danzo - Gone before Sasuke could blink:

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Nagato, reduced to bones in a second:

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. The only reason he didn't turn to ash is because he has an immortal body which was desperately trying to heal, and it only managed so completely when the flames were knocked off.

Focus is a very common biology term for eyes, and it means to focus the vision. Once the eye is completely focused on a point, the flames spawn faster. And what kind of logic is separating beasts from humans for Amaterasu? You don't make a crock of sense with that one.

Lol getting angry I see.
No Sasuke did not have a snake contract, when he got the hawks because
a) You cant hold two contract summons at once
b) His summon manda got killed
c) He no longer had Orochimaru or the CM inside of him
d) He no longer wanted to be affiliated with anything to do with Orochi, after he found out about Itachi.

What the hell does that Danzo scan prove to you?
It shows that Danzo avoided a Susanoo punch and Sasuke closed his eye to prepare Amaterasu...I don't see what you're getting at.


That Nagato page you provided just shows how wrong you are
Here is when Nagato gets hit with Amaterasu.

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And here is when he Shinra tensei's it.

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Tell me how exactly that is reduced to ashes in seconds?
Seven pages of talking say otherwise and he was barely even scratched....
If Amaterasu works as fast as you claim, then Nagato would have been completely vaporized and the flames would now be burning the ground below Nagato, as he would have regenerated on top of it.
Remember the regeneration is never instant, it has always happened after the damage is done and stopped.


Read above about this BS focusing, or if its like you say and it spawns more flames, those also get absorbed, as Kisame has already begun absorbing and they just waste Sasukes chakra.

I know your going to say he can't absorb, but that is utter rubbish.
Samehada absorbed fire once, he'll do it again, it hurt a little, but so did a V2 Lariat and that didn't do sht.
But, but, but it's an amaterau it means GG.
Umm no, there are absolutely no feats whatsoever to prove that it is any hotter than a regular Katon, a higher level rank does not mean its hotter, that is because its an infinitely burning flame.
A little databook statement? It only says hot LIKE the sun, not AS the sun... completely different
The same could be said about Fireball jutsu, and it is completely viable, as it is a ball of fire... You know like the sun.

Like I said last time please bring something to the argument. As you have failed to do so numerous times, I'm going to assume you have nothing.


Umm... you do realise that Itachi's clothes were burnt from Sasuke's dragon Fist technique?
He is not that way because of Kirin, fact is Itachi tanked a Kirin, doesn't matter which version.
He tanked it and if you refute that, then please do everyone a favour and read something more suitable for your age, like a colouring book.

 

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Lol don't want to continue this in the thread?

I don't see what your trying to prove with that scan, the moment of contact cannot be more than a second, as once you get hit by Lariat you go flying.
So in that small moment of contact, all of that chakra was forfeit, I say forfeit as it going to be absorbed but hasn't happened yet, but it will.
It's wither like I said above or it means once they have made contact, then they can absorb chakra from a distance when they feel like it, which is a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Samehada scales are obviously extremely strong, if it can tank a V2 Lariat, with only a few broken scales, it has a far greater defence then Chakra rods, which have been broken by Naruto multiple times.
So like you said if it is swung with a greater force, then yes Samehada can in fact counter Enton arrow.

I don't really feel like arguing the Susanoo slash, as it is an extremely weak argument.
What exactly is that going to do against WD?

We never actually get to see the Amaterasu burning through the toads stomach, so what scans are you talking about proved he can focus it?
Do not create a focusing jutsu for lack of a better answer, as to the inconsistencies of Amaterasu, as that is called providing false evidence.
As there is no definitive proof that focusing even exists, lets exclude that from this argument.

The trees didn't burn? Show me proof that they didn't burn, because last time I checked Itachi set the entire forest on fire, and then they were never really shown after that until the Konoha team encountered them, which I may add was quite far away and had obviously spread.

When Sasuke used Kirin you remember it wasn't exactly instant...
He had to go to the highest point in the area and he stood there connecting with sky.
This is when Kirin starts...

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This is him concentrating all the force into a dragon....

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And this is when he uses it....

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Why it was considered instant, is when it is actually used, as it would travel at the speed of light once discharged and is completely inavoidable.
Itachi's shunshin is extremely fast, one of the fastest shunshin which aren't boosted by other jutsu i.e Raiton, Space time, KCM.
He could quite easily blitz to Kisame, when Sasuke is readying Kirin, as this step is not instant and is extremely obvious.

Another point how is Sasuke going to hit Kisame with Kirin, if he cannot see/find him?

So Sasuke's one and only counter for Dai Bakusui Shoha is to Amaterasu him, whilst he is using it?
That may temporarily stop him (focusing doesn't exist), but then he can absorb that, and try again, with a clone if need be and don't forget Itachi can distract Sasuke, that's a benefit of teamwork.

Also Dai Bakusui Shoha only required one seal and then to spit water out, he is going to have to occupy Kisame non stop, to prevent the one second it requires for this jutsu to be activated and begin flooding the entire area, which he can't really do without getting close and that means Susanoo gets absorbed.
Wait re flooding as he has already used Bakusui Shoha, so half of the water is already there.


Itachi is definitely not a non factor, because if Sasuke drops Susanoo for even a second he will get Amaterasu'd and that will kill him.

As I said earlier he will not extinguish Amaterasu when it is burning him, this can be proven when he couldn't maintain Susanoo, because of the pain of Kabuto's White Rage.
This is the exact same concept, he couldn't concentrate to maintain Susanoo, he won't concentrate to extinguish Amaterasu.
Amaterasu counters Amaterasu da fuq?


Actually if you look at this scan Itachi used one continuous Amaterasu, whilst following Sasuke.

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The amount of flames used in that Amaterasu probably amount to at least 5 regular Amaterasu, so if you think 4 MS jutsu is his limit your wrong.
Another fact that this is an Itachi, who was on his deathbed and virtually blind from 7+ years with his Mangekyou. A younger Itachi is far more dangerous.

Itachi uses one Amaterasu to kill Aoda and Susanoo once to protect Kisame from Kirin, that's two MS Jutsu left by your count.
These are the only compulsory MS techs he uses , the rest can be handled by Kisame.
Sooooo no he is not worn out or blind.

Sasuke is simply outmatched in this fight.



Lol getting angry I see.
No Sasuke did not have a snake contract, when he got the hawks because
a) You cant hold two contract summons at once
b) His summon manda got killed
c) He no longer had Orochimaru or the CM inside of him
d) He no longer wanted to be affiliated with anything to do with Orochi, after he found out about Itachi.

What the hell does that Danzo scan prove to you?
It shows that Danzo avoided a Susanoo punch and Sasuke closed his eye to prepare Amaterasu...I don't see what you're getting at.


That Nagato page you provided just shows how wrong you are
Here is when Nagato gets hit with Amaterasu.

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And here is when he Shinra tensei's it.

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Tell me how exactly that is reduced to ashes in seconds?
Seven pages of talking say otherwise and he was barely even scratched....


Read above about this BS focusing, or if its like you say and it spawns more flames, those also get absorbed, as Kisame has already begun absorbing and they just waste Sasukes chakra.

I know your going to say he can't absorb, but that is utter rubbish.
Samehada absorbed fire once, he'll do it again, it hurt a little, but so did a V2 Lariat and that didn't do sht.
But, but, but it's an amaterau it means GG.
Umm no, there are absolutely no feats whatsoever to prove that it is any hotter than a regular Katon, a higher level rank does not mean its hotter, that is because its an infinitely burning flame.
A little databook statement? It only says hot LIKE the sun, not AS the sun... completely different
The same could be said about Fireball jutsu, and it is completely viable, as it is a ball of fire... You know like the sun.

Like I said last time please bring something to the argument. As you have failed to do so numerous times, I'm going to assume you have nothing.


Umm... you do realise that Itachi's clothes were burnt from Sasuke's dragon Fist technique?
He is not that way because of Kirin, fact is Itachi tanked a Kirin, doesn't matter which version.
He tanked it and if you refute that, then please do everyone a favour and read something more suitable for your age, like a colouring book.

This thread wasn't on the first page when I woke up in the morning to add link(s) and send (didn't even bother with the rest). So i just pmed you it instead.

Are you blind? Do i really need to color it in for you? You can clearly see Samehada's 'chakra' connected to the V2 cloak. Seriously do you really think that a Susanoo arrow will just bounce off of Samehada? That's honestly hilarious. I already told you what he can and will do. You just keep ignoring it to favor your agruement. I'll say it one more time, Sasuke can shoot a Susanoo (enton) arrow or use amaterasu while Kisame is spitting up the water. Don't even say Itachi can save him because he isn't moving faster than a Susanoo arrow while he is using his Susanoo and amaterasu spawns on the target. The trees

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; amaterasu just sat on them. Why didn't they burn? Because they weren't focused on. It didn't burn through the toads stomach? Really now.. Why would Itachi use amaterasu to break through a window? Not to mention even

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it himself. When he waves his hand Kisame can not evade it at ALL. Don't even try to argue against that and Itachi won't be helping him at all. Due to Kisame mostly having large-scale jutsus, Itachi will keep a distance. You said Kisame will flood the area correct? So Itachi is going to protect Kisame with his Susanoo when Sasuke can easily aim for the water and kill them both. You pick: Kisame floods the area to hide behind waves or is out in the open. Oh but, you already choosed, seems like Sasuke can just hit the top of the water and put an end to both Kisame and Itachi. He has to create a dome of water by spitting water out of his mouth; he can't already use water just sitting out. Why would Sasuke drop Susanoo? Do you think he is an idiot? That doesn't prove anything. If you really wanted to make stop me from making a counter to it, which there is none, you would've said 'Sasuke can't manipulate Itachi's amaterasue due to it not being his chakra.' Itachi used one tsukuyomi, one amaterasu, CS and he was practically dead. This isn't a 'younger' Itachi, it's the same Itachi that fought Hebi Sasuke. Itachi coughs up blood and grabs his eye after every use of the MS and can't keep up his Susanoo for too long. Once that's done with he's dead via amaterasu.

 

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This thread wasn't on the first page when I woke up in the morning to add link(s) and send (didn't even bother with the rest). So i just pmed you it instead.

Are you blind? Do i really need to color it in for you? You can clearly see Samehada's 'chakra' connected to the V2 cloak. Seriously do you really think that a Susanoo arrow will just bounce off of Samehada? That's honestly hilarious. I already told you what he can and will do. You just keep ignoring it to favor your agruement. I'll say it one more time, Sasuke can shoot a Susanoo (enton) arrow or use amaterasu while Kisame is spitting up the water. Don't even say Itachi can save him because he isn't moving faster than a Susanoo arrow while he is using his Susanoo and amaterasu spawns on the target. The trees

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; amaterasu just sat on them. Why didn't they burn? Because they were focused on. It didn't burn through the toads stomach? Really now.. Why would Itachi use amaterasu to break through a window? Not to mention even

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it himself. When he waves his hand Kisame can not evade it at ALL. Don't even try to argue against that and Itachi won't be helping him at all. Due to Kisame mostly having large-scale jutsus, Itachi will keep a distance. You said Kisame will flood the area correct? So Itachi is going to protect Kisame with his Susanoo when Sasuke can easily aim for the water and kill them both. You pick: Kisame floods the area to hide behind waves or is out in the open. Oh but, you already choosed, seems like Sasuke can just hit the top of the water and put an end to both Kisame and Itachi. He has to create a dome of water by spitting water out of his mouth; he can't already use water just sitting out. Why would Sasuke drop Susanoo? Do you think he is an idiot? That doesn't prove anything. If you really wanted to make stop me from making a counter to it, which there is none, you would've said 'Sasuke can't manipulate Itachi's amaterasue due to it not being his chakra.' Itachi used one tsukuyomi, one amaterasu, CS and he was practically dead. This isn't a 'younger' Itachi, it's the same Itachi that fought Hebi Sasuke. Itachi coughs up blood and grabs his eye after every use of the MS and can't keep up his Susanoo for too long. Once that's done with he's dead via amaterasu.

Lol I'll say this again what are you to achieve by showing me this scan?

Umm how is that any different to the second reason I said in my post....

This means that Samehada has to establish contact once and then can be ten metres away and still absorb chakra.
Which like I said is far more dangerous than my first reason.....
Kisame can hit Susanoo once and jump away to avoid contact and through this pre established link absorb Susanoo, from a relatively safe distance.
Amaterasu Sasuke dies.
I don't see how you proving this point helps Sasuke in any way.

I have showed you why Kisame could potentially stop an Enton arrow from doing any damage, even using your words to help and now you refute it?
You said something with great enough force could stop an Enton arrow e.g a chakra rod.
I showed you that Samehada has a extremely hard skin (greater than that of a chakra rod) and that with enough force could stop an Enton arrow, as not only does it absorb chakra but it is very tough and potentially has force behind it.

You say yet again that an Enton arrow/ Ama will stop Kisame from using Water Dome.
First off I have already showed that neither of those jutsu will kill Kisame, even it hits him.
Now what I want you to understand is that how is Sasuke going to prevent Kisame from using water dome when he is underwater? When he is 50 metres away? When he is out sight? When a clone of Kisame uses it? When Itachi distracts Sasuke long enough to perform a one hand seal and then spit out water.
Water Dome is performed extremely fast and if you think he is going to be able to stop it happening you are deluded.

I said Itachi is fast enough to stop Kisame Dying from Kirin, not once did I say he is fast enough to stop an Enton arrow. Quit the BS.

Can you please go back and read what I wrote....
I said we never got see Itachi burning the toads stomach, that is very different to not burning the toads stomach
The trees are obviously on fire, never said they weren't, that just proves even further that Amaterasu burns slowly, as they are obviously still standing.

Back to focusing IT DOESN'T EXIST
Do not create a focusing jutsu for lack of a better answer, as to the inconsistencies of Amaterasu, as that is called providing false evidence.


When he waves his hands Kisame cant evade at all? What are you talking about? A susanoo? Yes he can definitely avoid a sweep of a Susanoo sword, and if they are that close he could swipe Susanoo, run away and still absorb the chakra. Which we discussed at the top of this thread.
He gets an Amaterasu, if that Susanoo comes down even once.


Umm seriously WTF are you on about water jutsu?
Kisame floods the area with a giant lake using Bakusui Shoha in the first seconds of the match,
Kisame has shown the ability to use his water jutsus to move extremely fast.... So what are you on about?
He can use long range jutsu to pressure Sasuke, and keep him in his Susanoo.

Sasuke can aim for the water and kill them both...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Sasuke has absolutely no jutsu that can vaporize the entire lake and kill them both, no you are just making crap up.
You made absolutely no sense with that entire part of your argument.

Umm go read the Itachi vs Saske fight again.
He used Tsukiyomi and it gave him backlash, because Sasuke broke it.
He then used Amaterasu to burn Sasukes Katon
He then used a continuous Amaterasu, which continuously uses chakra and had enough in it to light an entire forest on fire. .....How many human sized Amaterasu is that worth, at least 5,
He then extinguished Amaterasu on Sasuke.
Then used Susanoo whilst blind in one eye to stop Kirin.
Then used Susanoo again to kill Orochimaru and then maintained it against Sasuke.
An then performed an inscription seal placing Amaterasu in Sasuke's eyes.

And like I said one Amaterasu to kill Aoda, one Susanoo to stop Kirin. Plenty left in the tank.

Why would Itachi have his Susanoo up, he is too smart to do stupid sht like that.
He can use guerrilla tactics against Sasuke, whilst Sasuke's main battle is raging on with Kisame, he knows that if he drops Susanoo he dies by Itachi's Amaterasu.


What does Sasuke do if Kisame and Itachi attack him head on in a full battle?
Itachi uses Susanoo to attack Sasukes, and Kisame sneak attacks from below or behind him and vaporizes Susanoo, how would he protect from Itachi's Suasnoo then?

 

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Lol I'll say this again what are you to achieve by showing me this scan?
Umm how is that any different to the second reason I said in my post....
This means that Samehada has to establish contact once and then can be ten metres away and absorb chakra.
Which like I said is far more dangerous than my first reason.....
Kisame can hit Susanoo once and jump away to avoid contact and through this pre established link absorb Susanoo, from a relatively safe distance.
I don't see how you proving this point helps Sasuke in any way.

Samehada only has a range of absorption when it is in contact with something.

I have showed you why Kisame could potentially stop an Enton arrow from doing any damage, even using your words to help and now you refute it?
You said something with great enough force could stop an Enton arrow e.g a chakra rod.
I showed you that Samehada has a extremely hard skin (greater than that of a chakra rod) and that with enough force could stop an Enton arrow, as not only does it absorb chakra but it is very tough and potentially has force behind it.

The chakra rods came at the arrow with a great enough force to stop it. Samehada isn't coming at Susanoo arrows; it's just defending Kisame.

You say yet again that an Enton arrow/ Ama will stop Kisame from using Water Dome.
First off I have already showed that neither of those jutsu will kill Kisame, even it hits him.
Now what I want you to understand is that how is Sasuke going to prevent Kisame from using water dome when he is underwater? When he is 50 metres away? When he is out sight? When a clone of Kisame uses it? When Itachi distracts Sasuke long enough to perform a one hand seal and then spit out water.
Water Dome is performed extremely fast and if you think he is going to be able to stop it happening you are deluded.

It will stop him from spitting up the water. I didn't say that amaterasu or enton arrow can kill him. Stop bringing that up. I've already stated that he has to take out Kisame during the prep time. If a clone uses water dome it poofs once amaterasu hits it. It is not extremely fast, a whole dialogue went on before the dome was formed. Sasuke won't be distracted by Itachi at all. He tanks everything Itachi throws at him.

I said Itachi is fast enough to stop Kisame Dying from Kirin, not once did I say he is fast enough to stop an Enton arrow. Quit the BS.

Quit what bullshit? You didn't even read it properly. I was referring to Sasuke stopping water dome during its prep time.

Can you please go back and read what I wrote....
I said we never got see Itachi burning the toads stomach, that is very different to not burning the toads stomach
The trees are obviously on fire, never said they weren't, that just proves even further that Amaterasu burns slowly, as they are obviously still standing.

Jiraiya himself confirmed that Itachi did in-fact burn through the flesh.

Back to focusing IT DOESN'T EXIST
Do not create a focusing jutsu for lack of a better answer, as to the inconsistencies of Amaterasu, as that is called providing false evidence.

Itachi's amaterasu burns through a wall of flesh in seconds but, can't burn down a tree in seconds? Keep saying that to yourself. The only logical explanation is that when it is focused on it burns quicker.

When he waves his hands Kisame cant evade at all? What are you talking about? A susanoo? Yes he can definitely avoid a sweep of a Susanoo sword, and if they are that close he could swipe Susanoo, run away and still absorb the chakra. Which we discussed at the top of this thread.
He gets an Amaterasu, if that Susanoo comes down even once.

Do you not know how fast lightning strikes?

Umm seriously WTF are you on about water jutsu?
Kisame floods the area with a giant lake using Bakusui Shoha in the first seconds of the match,
Kisame has shown the ability to manipulate the water of Bakusui Shoha, he can create and move the waves and uses these to move extremely fast... He can hide using waves or make it dead flat at will. So what are you on about?
He can use long range jutsu to pressure Sasuke, and keep him in his Susanoo.

I'm gunna have to split it up into sections because you seem to not be able to read a paragraph without getting confused.

Flood the area? Easy kills for Sasuke. Once Kirin hits the top of the water Itachi and Kisame die.

Sasuke can aim for the water and kill them both...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Sasuke has absolutely no jutsu that can vaporize the entire lake and kill them both, no you are just making crap up.
You made absolutely no sense with that entire part of your argument.

You completely forgot about Kirin I see.

Umm go read the Itachi vs Saske fight again.
He used Tsukiyomi and it gave him backlash, because Sasuke broke it.
He then used Amaterasu to burn Sasukes Katon
He then used a continuous Amaterasu, which continuously uses chakra and had enough in it to light an entire forest on fire.
How many human sized Amaterasu is that worth... At least 5
He then extinguished Amaterasu on Sasuke.
Then used Susanoo whilst blind in one eye to stop Kirin.
Then used Susanoo again to kill Orochimaru and then maintained it against Sasuke.

3-4 MS techs then he can use Susanoo for what like 2-3 mins? He can't keep up Susanoo for long don't even try to argue that he can. He died on his own from overusing his MS techs.

Why would Itachi have his Susanoo up, he is too smart to do stupid sht like that.
He can use guerrilla tactics against Sasuke, whilst Sasuke's main battle is raging on with Kisame, he knows that if he drops Susanoo he dies by Itachi's Amaterasu.
Itachi however is not using Susanoo, so he will not get worn down, he is using the waves to hide his presence. And attack when Sasuke is not expecting it.

Your arguments getting weaker and weaker.

Why wouldn't Itachi have his Susanoo up unless he plans on getting one-shotted by amaterasu. You even answered that yourself but, vice versa. And yet you're talking about weaker arguments?

 

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Oh hold on bogard I want to shit on your post so bad, I find it amusing you think that Itachi is incapable of using a MS technique at 30% chakra when during the sasuke fight we can infer that his chakra reserves were already near 30% or even lower by analyzing his sussano as it gradually started to lower down back into it's lower stages and

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And honestly do you listen to yourself before you speak? Think about that scan for a moment, going by your logic Itachi cannot use MS techniques on 30% chakra correct? That can infer that each MS tech equals to about 30% worth of chakra? Then going by that logic itachi shouldnt of had been capable of using amaterasu and sussano and tysukuyomi multiple time against sasuke since your implying each MS technique equals to about 30% worth of chakra? If anything kisame meant that the usage was limited not the entire jutsu itself. Do you now understand why your a complete baboon? Saying he isnt capable of using one MS technique on 30% worth of chakra is fan fiction at it's finest

@Agoodboy

That was the result of having his MS for years leading up to that point regarding his vision being so terrible. Obviously his MS vision was perfect at one point so I see no reason of bringing that up..

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Btw this is alive itachi so he has his sickness.

Therefore what I said is very relevant as this is the itachi in that fight. GG

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

Samehada only has a range of absorption when it is in contact with something.



The chakra rods came at the arrow with a great enough force to stop it. Samehada isn't coming at Susanoo arrows; it's just defending Kisame.



It will stop him from spitting up the water. I didn't say that amaterasu or enton arrow can kill him. Stop bringing that up. I've already stated that he has to take out Kisame during the prep time. If a clone uses water dome it poofs once amaterasu hits it. It is not extremely fast, a whole dialogue went on before the dome was formed. Sasuke won't be distracted by Itachi at all. He tanks everything Itachi throws at him.



Quit what bullshit? You didn't even read it properly. I was referring to Sasuke stopping water dome during its prep time.



Jiraiya himself confirmed that Itachi did in-fact burn through the flesh.



Itachi's amaterasu burns through a wall of flesh in seconds but, can't burn down a tree in seconds? Keep saying that to yourself. The only logical explanation is that when it is focused on it burns quicker.



Do you not know how fast lightning strikes?



I'm gunna have to split it up into sections because you seem to not be able to read a paragraph without getting confused.

Flood the area? Easy kills for Sasuke. Once Kirin hits the top of the water Itachi and Kisame die.



You completely forgot about Kirin I see.



3-4 MS techs then he can use Susanoo for what like 2-3 mins? He can't keep up Susanoo for long don't even try to argue that he can. He died on his own from overusing his MS techs.



Why wouldn't Itachi have his Susanoo up unless he plans on getting one-shotted by amaterasu. You even answered that yourself but, vice versa. And yet you're talking about weaker arguments?

1.) It makes contact and then it absorbs even if it is at a distance, yes. Make contact with Susanoo and flee yet still absorb it, doesn't really help Sasuke.

2.) Obito was like 30 metres from Susanoo, and Madara had time to realise that he was going to get shot, he then controlled Obito and forced him to release chakra rods, which were intercepted mid flight.
Kisame definitely has time to swing his sword if he is far enough away.

3.) Yes he potentially could stop one before they use the jutsu, but he can try it multiple times... How is he going to stop one that is underwater? Or one that is protected by a Susanoo?

4.) Lol misunderstanding

5.) I know he burnt through it, I said we didn't get to actually see it happening.

6.) There is no databook or on panel manga feats that focusing actually exists, only this fan based assumption that it is does, due to the inconsistencies of Kishi.
I can assume Kisame has a D-rank hidden mist, as he is from Kirigakure and is the greatest Suiton user, but there is no proof for it, so it falls flat in a debate.
Just like an off panel feat increasing the power of a jutsu, which was never stated in the databook, even though this jutsu had been shown multiple times and is in the databook.

7.) He can't avoid it pure and simple...Itachi can tank it and as you saw in the last post it took quite a few pages before it was even ready. Definitely enough time for Itachi to save Kisame.

8.) Yeah the initial Bakusui Shoha creates waves, which Kisame can use to hide from Sasuke, or more likely rush in and destroy the Susanoo.
During the time he is hidden from Sasuke's sight he can create clones, go underwater or just attack Sasuke from long range.
I understand what you meant, you could have just worded it much better, and yes it will be calm. Unless Kisame uses jutsu to disturb that.

9.) Kirin can't direct hit kill them due to the Susanoo.
However will it actually touch the water or is it hitting only the Yata mirror and Susanoo, thus preventing it from touching the water.
If it does touch the water it may electrocute them, it's questionable whether this will actually kill them.

10.) I'm not arguing that he can keep it up long, I'm just trying to say that it is not a non factor.

11.) No Itachi can fight for at least a little of this fight without his Susanoo up, as Sasuke has to deal with Kisame at the same time.

If you didn't check my edit:
What does Sasuke do if Kisame and Itachi attack him head on in a full battle?
Itachi uses Susanoo to attack Sasuke, and Kisame sneak attacks from below or behind him and vaporizes Susanoo, how would he protect from Itachi's Suasnoo then?
How is he going to stop Kisame at close range if Itachi's Susanoo protects him from ama/enton, and Kisame attacks the Susanoo, thus absorbing it and having to defend from Itachi's Ama/Susanoo?


To be honest this fight goes either way, but more so in Itachi and Kisame's favour...
It really comes down to who uses what first lol.
A head on Susanoo battle with Kisame as back up most likely ends in Sasukes death, due to lack of Susanoo protection.
GSB ends Sasuke
And so does WD.

Whereas Sasuke may be able to kill them with Kirin (if electrocution from below actually kills them)
He could outlast Itachi, but then he still has to get around GSB and WD, which is unlikely.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

EMS Sasuke wins High diff

KM EMS Sasuke thats been shown in the last 2 chapters wins Mid-Diff at the absolute highest

 

[Xlad]

EMS Sasuke. He's simply more mobile and armored.

 

[shelke]

Re: EMS Sasuke Vs Itachi and Kisame

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Samehada 'latched' onto the V2 cloak and then in the next scan you see it being pulled off.

I haven't said it would kill him knowing that Samehada can heal him. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be slight damage. Susanoo arrow cut clean through a tree and Danzo's chest. The only reason the chakra rods deflected Susanoo arrow is because they came at it with a greater force. Do you honestly think that if it were to hit Samehada it would just 'bounce' off and not even pierce through? That was Zetsu transformed into Kisame.. I've already posted the scan of Sasuke 'recreating' the feat. You can argue that Naruto's chakra makes his Susanoo 3x stronger but, the sword wasn't nearly as big as the branch. Thus he recreated it just on a smaller scale. I just showed you proof that it burns faster when focused on. It burned completely through the toad's stomach and the wall in seconds but, yet that's not a good enough feat? You can keep saying that you want a scan of a focused amaterasu on a human all you want. You're not going to get one, as there isn't one. Explain to me why tree's didn't burn completely after amaterasu sat on them for awhile? The answer that can be used is that it wasn't focused on. Yet, you still think that it burns slow after me showing you a scan of Itachi focusing on amaterasu and it burns through a wall completely. Kisame's jutsus are mostly large scale. Why the hell would Itachi be standing right next to him to protect him? Even if he knows it's happening he isn't making it to Kisame quick enough to protect him. Unless you really think that Itachi can shuunshin quicker than lightning can hit. Which is absurd. Sasuke can stop Kisame from using Dai Bakusui Shōha during the prep time (spitting out the water) with amaterasu which is spawned on the target. Itachi is a non-factor during this fight and is worn out after using 3-4 MS techniques. Tsukuyomi is useless seeing as Sasuke can break it, amaterasu is countered with amaterasu, and his Susanoo can't be kept up for long. I'll provide any manga scans if needed.

don't want to continue this in the thread?

I don't see what your trying to prove with that scan, the moment of contact cannot be more than a second, as once you get hit by Lariat you go flying.
So in that small moment of contact, all of that chakra was forfeit, I say forfeit as it going to be absorbed but hasn't happened yet, but it will.
It's wither like I said above or it means once they have made contact, then they can absorb chakra from a distance when they feel like it, which is a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Samehada scales are obviously extremely strong, if it can tank a V2 Lariat, with only a few broken scales, it has a far greater defence then Chakra rods, which have been broken by Naruto multiple times.
So like you said if it is swung with a greater force, then yes Samehada can in fact counter Enton arrow.

I don't really feel like arguing the Susanoo slash, as it is an extremely weak argument.
What exactly is that going to do against WD?

We never actually get to see the Amaterasu burning through the toads stomach, so what scans are you talking about proved he can focus it?
Do not create a focusing jutsu for lack of a better answer, as to the inconsistencies of Amaterasu, as that is called providing false evidence.
As there is no definitive proof that focusing even exists, lets exclude that from this argument.

The trees didn't burn? Show me proof that they didn't burn, because last time I checked Itachi set the entire forest on fire, and then they were never really shown after that until the Konoha team encountered them, which I may add was quite far away and had obviously spread.

When Sasuke used Kirin you remember it wasn't exactly instant...
He had to go to the highest point in the area and he stood there connecting with sky.
This is when Kirin starts...

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This is him concentrating all the force into a dragon....

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And this is when he uses it....

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Why it was considered instant, is when it is actually used, as it would travel at the speed of light once discharged and is completely inavoidable.
Itachi's shunshin is extremely fast, one of the fastest shunshin which aren't boosted by other jutsu i.e Raiton, Space time, KCM.
He could quite easily blitz to Kisame, when Sasuke is readying Kirin, as this step is not instant and is extremely obvious.

Another point how is Sasuke going to hit Kisame with Kirin, if he cannot see/find him?

So Sasuke's one and only counter for Dai Bakusui Shoha is to Amaterasu him, whilst he is using it?
That may temporarily stop him (focusing doesn't exist), but then he can absorb that, and try again, with a clone if need be and don't forget Itachi can distract Sasuke, that's a benefit of teamwork.

Also Dai Bakusui Shoha only required one seal and then to spit water out, he is going to have to occupy Kisame non stop, to prevent the one second it requires for this jutsu to be activated and begin flooding the entire area, which he can't really do without getting close and that means Susanoo gets absorbed.
Wait re flooding as he has already used Bakusui Shoha, so half of the water is already there.


Itachi is definitely not a non factor, because if Sasuke drops Susanoo for even a second he will get Amaterasu'd and that will kill him.

As I said earlier he will not extinguish Amaterasu when it is burning him, this can be proven when he couldn't maintain Susanoo, because of the pain of Kabuto's White Rage.
This is the exact same concept, he couldn't concentrate to maintain Susanoo, he won't concentrate to extinguish Amaterasu.
Amaterasu counters Amaterasu da fuq?


Actually if you look at this scan Itachi used one continuous Amaterasu, whilst following Sasuke.

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The amount of flames used in that Amaterasu probably amount to at least 5 regular Amaterasu, so if you think 4 MS jutsu is his limit your wrong.
Another fact that this is an Itachi, who was on his deathbed and virtually blind from 7+ years with his Mangekyou. A younger Itachi is far more dangerous.

Itachi uses one Amaterasu to kill Aoda and Susanoo once to protect Kisame from Kirin, that's two MS Jutsu left by your count.
These are the only compulsory MS techs he uses , the rest can be handled by Kisame.
Sooooo no he is not worn out or blind.

Sasuke is simply outmatched in this fight.

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So in your humble but utterly rubbish opinion, Sasuke didn't have the Snake contract when he brought out the Hawk and now he has somehow done the exact opposite? This reverse argument crap is non-nonsensical and without merit. But keep harping on for no apparent reason as Sasuke's use of Hawk and Snake proves that one can have two summoning contracts. There is nothing to debate here.

What the hell have you been skimming theough:

Danzo - Gone before Sasuke could blink:

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Nagato, reduced to bones in a second:

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. The only reason he didn't turn to ash is because he has an immortal body which was desperately trying to heal, and it only managed so completely when the flames were knocked off.

Focus is a very common biology term for eyes, and it means to focus the vision. Once the eye is completely focused on a point, the flames spawn faster. And what kind of logic is separating beasts from humans for Amaterasu? You don't make a crock of sense with that one.
getting angry I see.
No Sasuke did not have a snake contract, when he got the hawks because
a) You cant hold two contract summons at once
b) His summon manda got killed
c) He no longer had Orochimaru or the CM inside of him
d) He no longer wanted to be affiliated with anything to do with Orochi, after he found out about Itachi.

What the hell does that Danzo scan prove to you?
It shows that Danzo avoided a Susanoo punch and Sasuke closed his eye to prepare Amaterasu...I don't see what you're getting at.


That Nagato page you provided just shows how wrong you are
Here is when Nagato gets hit with Amaterasu.

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And here is when he Shinra tensei's it.

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Tell me how exactly that is reduced to ashes in seconds?
Seven pages of talking say otherwise and he was barely even scratched....

Get angry over a random internet dude? None of you are that important, and this will be my final post in this ridiculous thread:

- Got any manga scan for that? Wait, I don't think there is one - Made up.
- Contracts are made with certain group of animals. It's like suggesting Naruto can only summon one toad and not others - Wrong.
- Irrelevant and a paper-thin argument without any merit. Next.
- Same as above. Insert *who cares* here.
- I think you need a decent pair of eyes as Danzo was vaporized within a second.
- Nagato is an Edo and even then his flesh is mostly gone and his entire rib-cage is visible. Another point you failed to grasp.

This proves - along with Toad Stomach, Hachibi, summons - that Amaterasu burns fast. Argumentation over.