EMS Sasuke vs BSM Minato

[Red Slayer]

BM Minato wins .

 

[Nagato The Sage]

No, he obviously isn't. If Naruto were to wake up fresh without using any enhancements and were to meet Hagoromo, he'd be in Base. Then he gets Hagoromo's Senjutsu. Base Naruto+Hagoromo's Senjutsu+Kurma=The RSM Naruto we see in the Manga. RSM isn't an addition onto his other Sage Mode. It's a replacement of that Sage Mode.

When you can actually prove this, then we can talk. Cause all I see now are baseless assumptions. 100% baseless assumptions.

Lol, read. I said that 2 BD blew off his left wing, left arm and half of his face. If we assume that Flash BD=5 BD (Which it doesn't) then double that (2x2=4) plus another BD+Senjutsu=Flash Bijuu Dama. Then throw in the fact that Flash Bijuu Dama is stronger than 5 standard BD, and you have Sasuke getting obliterated by 2-3 of these at the very most.

Can we cut the bullshit argumentation? Cause it's getting pretty old having to reply to this in almost every single thread you make.

1. You've yet to prove that Senjutsu is negated by extreme heat. Last time I checked arguments worked by you BACKING UP WHAT YOU CLAIM. But hey, that might just be me.
2. You've yet to prove that PS Slash being stronger than BM tails means that it can cut said blades. Durability and attack power is not the same thing, something I've already stated. :lol
3. The rest is irrelevant because you've yet to actually prove that any of this can cut through Kurama's tails, prove that he can run Raiton through his blade in the first place, or prove that Amaterasu negates Senjutsu.

And your not getting it. HE'S STILL GETTING POWERED UP BY SAGE MODE while Sasuke isn't. Thus BSM Naruto = EMS Sasuke.

Them why don't you explain what else could have happened? Ama has never negated any other Jutsu it came into contact to (overpowering is diffrent). It negated the Senjutsu, as that was the only thing animating the rock

And while he's charing it he can he can rush with Chidori and force him to take the blow as well. Don't tell me he can't because he matched the quickest BD Naruto could make. Negating Senjutsu via Ama makes it so that Minato is in the most danger from this tactic

 

[KidGamer65]

And your not getting it. HE'S STILL GETTING POWERED UP BY SAGE MODE while Sasuke isn't. Thus BSM Naruto = EMS Sasuke.

Them why don't you explain what else could have happened? Ama has never negated any other Jutsu it came into contact to (overpowering is diffrent). It negated the Senjutsu, as that was the only thing animating the rock

And while he's charing it he can he can rush with Chidori and force him to take the blow as well. Don't tell me he can't because he matched the quickest BD Naruto could make. Negating Senjutsu via Ama makes it so that Minato is in the most danger from this tactic

Wtf? Logic. Please start using it. He's getting powered up by Rikudo Sage Mode, which is what he got from Hagoromo. Not regular Sage Mode or regular Senjutsu. So no, BSM Naruto isn't equal to EMS Sasuke in any way, shape or form. Pretty funny that I literally just explained why you make zero sense yet you are still replying with the same thing.

I don't need to explain anything. You not being able to prove that it negates Senjutsu is enough. All that is stated is that the extreme heat of the jutsu forced the cave to go back to normal. Whether that's just how the tech works is unknown to you, so please don't make nonsense BS claims like extreme heat destroys Senjutsu or Nature Energy.

No, him and Naruto charged at each other, something that won't be happening here. If Sasuke tries to rush Minato, Minato either:

-Releases Flash BD and does heavy damage to his Susanoo.
-Releases a Bijuu Sized Bijuu Dama and do moderate damage to his Susanoo.
-Teleports and then releases Flash BD, doing heavy damage to his Susanoo.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Fanfic BSM Minato > BSM Naruto > BM Minato > BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke.
Minato wrecks.

 

[Kagustuchi]

:|

BSM Naruto = Fanfic BSM Minato > BM Naruto = BM Minato > BM Naruto/Minato (Flash and Continuous BD restricted) >= EMS Sasuke

They're roughly equal without Senjutsu and BD restricted to the normal Moutain buster. By scaling Sasuke's avatar would match the BM avatar. The only reason they're still slightly above him is because of stamina and without PS Chidori (EMS Sasuke can't use it) he can't stalemate BD.

The damage during VOTE was purely BD, Chidori doesn't explode. Though even if we we're to assume it did, Flash BD still would destroy his PS.

Just my two cents.

KG got some patience to prove someone wrong and then have to explain to them why they're wrong lol

 

[Unorthodox]

Ohh lord
It's not debatable.
Sasuke gets hit shit kicked in

Kifflom do not get shitted on again

 

[Eng nawashi]

Regular BM Minato shits .

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Wtf? Logic. Please start using it. He's getting powered up by Rikudo Sage Mode, which is what he got from Hagoromo. Not regular Sage Mode or regular Senjutsu. So no, BSM Naruto isn't equal to EMS Sasuke in any way, shape or form. Pretty funny that I literally just explained why you make zero sense yet you are still replying with the same thing.

What your saying makes no sense, in fact it proves what I'm saying. RSM Naruto is an upgraded BSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke is an upgraded EMS Sasuke.

His perfect susano'O was portrayed as equals with BSM Naruto for sure

don't need to explain anything. You not being able to prove that it negates Senjutsu is enough. All that is stated is that the extreme heat of the jutsu forced the cave to go back to normal. Whether that's just how the tech works is unknown to you, so please don't make nonsense BS claims like extreme heat destroys Senjutsu or Nature Energy.

Except that's the only explanation and your just claiming ignorance

Not to mention Obito's body as a JJ was actually harmed by the FRS Enton combo. Although it's not severe he's shown with burn marks when the TSB save him.

It also harmed the Juubi, which was not harmed by its own BD or anything else for that matter. Amaterasu was the only thing that hurt it.

No, him and Naruto charged at each other, something that won't be happening here. If Sasuke tries to rush Minato, Minato either:

First off you got this wrong. Sasuke rushed him with Chidori while Naruto jumped straight up.

-Releases Flash BD and does heavy damage to his Susanoo.
-Releases a Bijuu Sized Bijuu Dama and do moderate damage to his Susanoo.
-Teleports and then releases Flash BD, doing heavy damage to his Susanoo.

- Minato takes equivalent damage or more if Amaterasu is weakening the shroud


Since he met Naruto who didn't even charge at him, he cuts off any BD used with Chidori. They take equivalent damage or Minato takes more

Chidori variants and Amaterasu/Enton give him the edge of Minato allowing him to break down his avatar faster.

 

[EZQ]

Wtf? Logic. Please start using it. He's getting powered up by Rikudo Sage Mode, which is what he got from Hagoromo. Not regular Sage Mode or regular Senjutsu. So no, BSM Naruto isn't equal to EMS Sasuke in any way, shape or form. Pretty funny that I literally just explained why you make zero sense yet you are still replying with the same thing.

I don't need to explain anything. You not being able to prove that it negates Senjutsu is enough. All that is stated is that the extreme heat of the jutsu forced the cave to go back to normal. Whether that's just how the tech works is unknown to you, so please don't make nonsense BS claims like extreme heat destroys Senjutsu or Nature Energy.

No, him and Naruto charged at each other, something that won't be happening here. If Sasuke tries to rush Minato, Minato either:

-Releases Flash BD and does heavy damage to his Susanoo.
-Releases a Bijuu Sized Bijuu Dama and do moderate damage to his Susanoo.
-Teleports and then releases Flash BD, doing heavy damage to his Susanoo.

I agree with this.

But this would implie (or imply , i don't remember how to write this) that Naruto's rikudo boost is smaller to Sasuke's.

 

[NarutoX28]

I agree with this.

But this would implie (or imply , i don't remember how to write this) that Naruto's rikudo boost is smaller to Sasuke's.

Prepare for claims such as: RSM Naruto > Rikudou Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

What your saying makes no sense, in fact it proves what I'm saying. RSM Naruto is an upgraded BSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke is an upgraded EMS Sasuke.

His perfect susano'O was portrayed as equals with BSM Naruto for sure

Second sentence is once again false, and the rest is just another repeat of what I've already addressed. RSM Naruto is NOT BSM Naruto+Hagoromo's Senjutsu. BSM Naruto is BM Naruto+Regular Senjutsu. RSM Naruto is when Naruto uses Rikudo's Senjutsu to enter Sage Mode INSTEAD (Keyword here so pay attention) of using regular Senjutsu to enter Sage Mode.

The state that Naruto and Sasuke were both in when they received Hagoromo's power (as in the very moment he got his power) is enough to tell you what RSM Naruto is.

Except that's the only explanation and your just claiming ignorance

No, it's not. Because you can't even prove your case. Extreme heat does not, can not, and will never destroy Nature Energy. Amaterasu's heat negating Muki Tensei simply means that extreme heat can cancel the effects of the jutsu. Quit trying to invent some nonsense deeper meaning, especially when it makes zero sense AND you have no evidence for it.

Not to mention Obito's body as a JJ was actually harmed by the FRS Enton combo. Although it's not severe he's shown with burn marks when the TSB save him.

Is that supposed to prove your point? :lol. Cause Obito's body isn't made of Nature Energy or Senjutsu. He only has it inside him. In fact, if this ":lol Amaterasu burns away Senjutsu" BS was true, why wasn't Obito's Senjutsu burnt away when he got hit by it? Same goes with his Gudo Dama, which are Senjutsu techniques.

It also harmed the Juubi, which was not harmed by its own BD or anything else for that matter. Amaterasu was the only thing that hurt it.

Same as the thing above. Amaterasu+Fuuton being strong enough to harm the Juubi=/=Amaterasu burning Nature Energy.

First off you got this wrong. Sasuke rushed him with Chidori while Naruto jumped straight up.

Meaning they charged at each other. :lol

- Minato takes equivalent damage or more if Amaterasu is weakening the shroud

Considering you've yet to actually show that PS=BSM or that Amaterasu burns Nature Energy, neither happens.

Since he met Naruto who didn't even charge at him, he cuts off any BD used with Chidori. They take equivalent damage or Minato takes more

Uh, no.

-Naruto jumped at him. That's Naruto charging at him.
-Thus the evidence that he can rush Minato before Flash BD or a Bijuu Sized BD are released doesn't exist, like 100% of the argumentation you've provided for 100% of your claims.
-Thus Sasuke dies.

End of story.

Chidori variants and Amaterasu/Enton give him the edge of Minato allowing him to break down his avatar faster.

Lol get these poverty arguments out of my face buddy. At this point you are merely repeating the same BS without actually being able to prove your point.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with this.

But this would implie (or imply , i don't remember how to write this) that Naruto's rikudo boost is smaller to Sasuke's.

Uh, why? :lol. Naruto has been superior to Sasuke ever since BM was unlocked contrary to what some Sasuke fanboys might try to argue.

BM Naruto>EMS Sasuke.
BSM Naruto>>EMS Sasuke.
RSM Naruto>Rinnegan Sasuke after an equal boost to BM and EMS.

 

[Ambivalence]

Uh, why? :lol.

He probably means because they weren't equal before the boost, yet they're equal after it. If Naruto and Sasuke got equal amount of power, and Naruto was the stronger one pre-boost, then he should logically again be stronger post-boost, no?

Unless this is strictly Teen Naruto and Sasuke, in which case RSM Naruto is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

He probably means because they weren't equal before the boost, yet they're equal after it. If Naruto and Sasuke got equal amount of power, and Naruto was the stronger one pre-boost, then he should logically again be stronger post-boost, no?

Unless this is strictly Teen Naruto and Sasuke, in which case RSM Naruto is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

Ohhh, if that's what he meant, then Sasuke's growth in power being greater than Naruto's over the 15 year time skip is the explanation for that.

But if it's the teens then it's just like you said.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Second sentence is once again false, and the rest is just another repeat of what I've already addressed. RSM Naruto is NOT BSM Naruto+Hagoromo's Senjutsu. BSM Naruto is BM Naruto+Regular Senjutsu. RSM Naruto is when Naruto uses Rikudo's Senjutsu to enter Sage Mode INSTEAD (Keyword here so pay attention) of using regular Senjutsu to enter Sage Mode.

The state that Naruto and Sasuke were both in when they received Hagoromo's power (as in the very moment he got his power) is enough to tell you what RSM Naruto is.




No, it's not. Because you can't even prove your case. Extreme heat does not, can not, and will never destroy Nature Energy. Amaterasu's heat negating Muki Tensei simply means that extreme heat can cancel the effects of the jutsu. Quit trying to invent some nonsense deeper meaning, especially when it makes zero sense AND you have no evidence for it.



Is that supposed to prove your point? :lol. Cause Obito's body isn't made of Nature Energy or Senjutsu. He only has it inside him. In fact, if this ":lol Amaterasu burns away Senjutsu" BS was true, why wasn't Obito's Senjutsu burnt away when he got hit by it? Same goes with his Gudo Dama, which are Senjutsu techniques.



Same as the thing above. Amaterasu+Fuuton being strong enough to harm the Juubi=/=Amaterasu burning Nature Energy.




Meaning they charged at each other. :lol



Considering you've yet to actually show that PS=BSM or that Amaterasu burns Nature Energy, neither happens.



Uh, no.

-Naruto jumped at him. That's Naruto charging at him.
-Thus the evidence that he can rush Minato before Flash BD or a Bijuu Sized BD are released doesn't exist, like 100% of the argumentation you've provided for 100% of your claims.
-Thus Sasuke dies.

End of story.



Lol get these poverty arguments out of my face buddy. At this point you are merely repeating the same BS without actually being able to prove your point.

I'm not going to continue repeating myself. I don't see why you can't seem to understand something so basic

EMS Sasuke = BSM Naruto > BSM Minato = BM Naruto > BM Minato

End of story

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not going to continue repeating myself. I don't see why you can't seem to understand something so basic

EMS Sasuke = BSM Naruto > BSM Minato = BM Naruto > BM Minato

End of story

Let's not talk about understanding anything when your inept retarded ass can't seem to grasp the concept of BM=EMS, RSM=RG when I've literally explained it to you in two different ways. :lol

Get back to doing what you do best, wanking Madara and making garbage threads.

 

[EZQ]

Uh, why? :lol. Naruto has been superior to Sasuke ever since BM was unlocked contrary to what some Sasuke fanboys might try to argue.

BM Naruto>EMS Sasuke.
BSM Naruto>>EMS Sasuke.
RSM Naruto>Rinnegan Sasuke after an equal boost to BM and EMS.

I meant teen naruto and teen sasuke, but i forgot aobut the natural energy, sasuke needed bijuus to match him. Sasuke grew a lot after that while Naruto didn't and that's why they're equal now, but their teen selves are not equal unless we only take kaguya fight versions of both.

 

[KidGamer65]

I meant teen naruto and teen sasuke, but i forgot aobut the natural energy, sasuke needed bijuus to match him. Sasuke grew a lot after that while Naruto didn't and that's why they're equal now, but their teen selves are not equal unless we only take kaguya fight versions of both.

Naruto and Sasuke aren't equal regardless of the nature energy Naruto can take in.

 

[EZQ]

Naruto and Sasuke aren't equal regardless of the nature energy Naruto can take in.

Via matchup yes. But power wise in the kaguya fight they were portrayed as equals and neither of them did out perform the other

 

[KidGamer65]

Via matchup yes. But power wise in the kaguya fight they were portrayed as equals and neither of them did out perform the other

No, not via match up. Via every sort of measure you can use. Not even sure what you are talking about with the last sentence when it's painfully obvious to anyone that read that fight that Naruto did better than Sasuke.

-Naruto was stalling Kaguya with clones and Taijutsu.
-Naruto caused her to lose control with Bijuu Rasen Shuriken.
-Naruto landed a hit with Kairiki Musou.

On the other hand...

-Sasuke's blitz was evaded.
-Sasuke's PS was one shotted.
-Sasuke was dragged to another dimension.
-Sasuke's PS was obliterated again after stalling her for a few seconds.

Sasuke can only match Naruto's Avatar in close combat and then he can only match Bijuu Dama with Chidori, while Naruto has Avatar Clones and Bijuu Dama larger than the standard size.