EMS Sasuke vs Ay, Onoki and Tobirama

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke wins both scenes.

Ei is completely irrelevant and useless here. Same goes for Mu and Tobirama doesn't even have the offensive abilities to get past any version of Susanoo. Jinton is never happening here. Once Ei gets close Amaterasu to the face ends him or Enton blade dices him.​

Sasuke only wins in S2.

Could you explain why he loses pre 3x boost?​

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke wins both scenes.

Ei is completely irrelevant and useless here. Same goes for Mu and Tobirama doesn't even have the offensive abilities to get past any version of Susanoo. Jinton is never happening here. Once Ei gets close Amaterasu to the face ends him or Enton blade dices him.​

Could you explain why he loses pre 3x boost?​

They're a team of 3 so no one is fighting him 1v1. Ay becomes relevant when Onoki backpacks him. Tobirama becomes dangerous when Onoki lightens him and increases his already nightmarish speed. Backpack Ay can bust V2 Susanoo so Sasuke will need to keep at least V3 or above to not get killed.

They seem to be the main threat but if you ask me, the real threat is Tobirama lurking in the background. While lightened his speed will jump a tier or 2, and then he can canonically teleport 2 megazord constructs (Minato and Naruto) in base so his chakra is huge and when he gets in contact with Susanoo, Sasukes warped from it and shitblitzed.

You can forget about any summons, Arrows, Amaterasu, Entons, Chidori, Katons, or Genjutsu being a factor or even hitting a lightened Tobirama and Backpack Ay.

 

[Unorthodox]

LMMMMFFFAAAAOOOOOOOOO


Team can win even with PS ... but they def win here

Slap yourself and man who has not finished the manga cant tell me nothing

 

[TRE MERCER]

They're a team of 3 so no one is fighting him 1v1. Ay becomes relevant when Onoki backpacks him. Tobirama becomes dangerous when Onoki lightens him and increases his already nightmarish speed. Backpack Ay can bust V2 Susanoo so Sasuke will need to keep at least V3 or above to not get killed.

They seem to be the main threat but if you ask me, the real threat is Tobirama lurking in the background. While lightened his speed will jump a tier or 2, and then he can canonically teleport 2 megazord constructs (Minato and Naruto) in base so his chakra is huge and when he gets in contact with Susanoo, Sasukes warped from it and shitblitzed.

You can forget about any summons, Arrows, Amaterasu, Entons, Chidori, Katons, or Genjutsu being a factor or even hitting a lightened Tobirama and Backpack Ay.

Nightmarish speed? L0l what Nightmarish speed? Lighten Ei is tracked and once he gets close and tries to hit him Susanoo dodges and Uses Enton blade to kill both of them. V3 won't be needed not when he has a standing Susanoo. Sasuke Susanoo will be covered in enton so touching it won't be possible. Tobirama doesn't have very impressive foot speed considering it was never shown. His striking speed isn't much inb4 he tagged Juubito he sacrificed his body for that feat he couldn't even land a hit on SM Madara either. Why? Once Sasuke preps Kirin is game for them.​

 

[LuckyMan]

Nightmarish speed? L0l what Nightmarish speed?​

Tobiramas speed is scary. He was faster than Madara who is faster than Sasuke and thats just regularly. Up is speed a tier or 2 from Onoki and yes, he will be a nightmare.

Lighten Ei is tracked and once he gets close and tries to hit him Susanoo dodges and Uses Enton blade to kill both of them. V3 won't be needed not when he has a standing Susanoo. Sasuke Susanoo will be covered in enton so touching it won't be possible.​

Susanoo dodges? Susanoo can't dodge, Sasuke has to dodge and thats not happening. I agree though, he could throw some Enton over it but it will need to be at least V3 because if not Ay will sacrifice an arm to bust it and kill him right on the spot. Also Onoki can get close and or send a clone to Weigh Susanoo down and when he does, Jinton GG, unless Sasuke releases Susanoo, but if he does that, Tobirama or Ay shitblitz his head off.

Tobirama doesn't have very impressive foot speed considering it was never shown. His striking speed isn't much inb4 he tagged Juubito he sacrificed his body for that feat he couldn't even land a hit on SM Madara either. Why? Once Sasuke preps Kirin is game for them.​

Already explained Tobiramas speed above. If he so little as touches Susanoo its over for Sasuke and with extra speed its highly feasible for him to accomplish and Enton doesn't matter with him because he has clones.

 

[Haizaki]

Sauske stomps in scenario 2. Not sure about 1.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I dont see Sasuke winning S2 either.

Sasuke has to sit on Sussanoo for the whole match. And the moment Tobirama tags Susanoo the fight will be over.

He can easily breach it by distractions from a FTG tagged backpack Ay. Once Sasuke attempts to track backpack Ay, Tobirama teleports close and tags Susanoo. He could easily do that, when he has the feats to catch a Juubi Jin off guard.

Once that happens he simply has two options: Drop a Gojo bomb (or tagged the Gojo seal) or a teleporting Jinton to end the match.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Tobiramas speed is scary. He was faster than Madara who is faster than Sasuke and thats just regularly. Up is speed a tier or 2 from Onoki and yes, he will be a nightmare.

Only because of ftg. He can be faster than Sasuke but Sasuke will still be able to track his movements and strike him down with a huge aoe attack.​

Susanoo dodges? Susanoo can't dodge, Sasuke has to dodge and thats not happening. I agree though, he could throw some Enton over it but it will need to be at least V3 because if not Ay will sacrifice an arm to bust it and kill him right on the spot. Also Onoki can get close and or send a clone to Weigh Susanoo down and when he does, Jinton GG, unless Sasuke releases Susanoo, but if he does that, Tobirama or Ay shitblitz his head off.

Why can't Susanoo dodge lighten Ei? If Ei tries to punch through a standing Susanoo covered in enton he'll not only lose his arm he'll lose his life as well as Oonoki's. Oonoki clone is either shot down via Susanoo arrow or one shotted via Amaterasu or swatted once he gets in arm range and judging by Oonoki size arm range is extremely close and he isn't landing a had on Susanoo while being covered in enton so he gets roasted.​

Already explained Tobiramas speed above. If he so little as touches Susanoo its over for Sasuke and with extra speed its highly feasible for him to accomplish and Enton doesn't matter with him because he has clones.

Clones gets burned or before they can even land contact. With all the Amaterasu and Enton coming out Kirin comes down of them for the finish.​

I dont see Sasuke winning S2 either.

Sasuke has to sit on Sussanoo for the whole match. And the moment Tobirama tags Susanoo the fight will be over.

He can easily breach it by distractions from a FTG tagged backpack Ay. Once Sasuke attempts to track backpack Ay, Tobirama teleports close and tags Susanoo. He could easily do that, when he has the feats to catch a Juubi Jin off guard.

Once that happens he simply has two options: Drop a Gojo bomb (or tagged the Gojo seal) or a teleporting Jinton to end the match.

Ftg teleporting Susanoo away argument is poor especially when it's covered in enton so getting physical contact which he needs isn't happening. No he only got Juubito because he was already tagged. Obito tried using Kamui instead of blocking the attack that is the only reason he was shot down. Gojo is never happening here. Sasuke isn't giving him the time to summon edo's sacrifice alive bodies(which he doesn't even have). Even if he could teleport Susanoo off Itachi already showed how fast Susanoo can be put right back up.​

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke wins both scenes.​

No

Ei is completely irrelevant and useless here.

Once he gets lightened and has Onoki on his back, sasuke is not landing a single hit on him,
doesnt matter if he could track him, because his attacks are far too slow for them

Same goes for Mu and Tobirama doesn't even have the offensive abilities to get past any version of Susanoo.

Super Aggravated Rock Fist says hi, FTG to teleport out of susanoo says hi,

Jinton is never happening here.

Doesnt need to

Once Ei gets close Amaterasu to the face ends him or Enton blade dices him.

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Lol the same shit Ay canonically evaded?
Lightened Ay evades it with utmost ease and Onoki is safe from it too, amaterasu is not a factor here at alll

as for Enton blade Lol, how is that even landing when Amaterasu somethiing thats much faster failed to land on Ay,
let alone lightened Ay, with Onoki on his back, let alone the entire trio backed up by FTG teleporting around and landing their attacks with ease

Could you explain why he loses pre 3x boost?​

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he doesnt land a hit on them, and they have the means to get through susanoo so he loses

Nightmarish speed? L0l what Nightmarish speed? Lighten Ei is tracked

Doesnt matter when his attacks are dodged with ease

and once he gets close and tries to hit him Susanoo dodges and Uses Enton blade to kill both of them.

And how is susanoo doing something like that?
there is also the fact that Tobirama can toss a kunai towards sasuke, as they all teleport around the susanoo,
giving tobirama the chance to either teleport sasuek out of susanoo or Ay/Onoki to use aggravated rock fist which smacked around V3 susanoo

V3 won't be needed not when he has a standing Susanoo. Sasuke Susanoo will be covered in enton so touching it won't be possible.

Nope, V3 is needed especially when Aggravated Rock Fist canonically busted V3 susanoo and blew it meters away

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and that was Madaras V3 Susanoo so Sasukes V3 suffers the same fate,
using repeated strikes would eradicate all of sasukes susanoo variants here,
if enton is used, then Ay can get rid of his arm once sasuke is finished so that wont be an issue either

Tobirama doesn't have very impressive foot speed considering it was never shown.

Tobiramas shunshin > Madaras shunshin
tobiramas shunshin is above the same shunshin that nearly blitzed War Arc SM naruto, so that allready puts his speed at a good caliber, let alone lightened tobirama which puts him at a level of V2 Ay in terms of shunshin added on top of FTG

so yeah his speed is more than enough here

His striking speed isn't much inb4 he tagged Juubito he sacrificed his body for that feat he couldn't even land a hit on SM Madara either. Why? Once Sasuke preps Kirin is game for them.

Does it still change the fact that he tagged juubito? more than 4 times! No it shouldnt
does it matter here that he lost his body to tag juubito? No it doesnt, because sasuke is nowhere near as fast as juubito nor is he even close to RT Madara

The battle would be finished well before kirin is prepped, or by that stage tobirama would already have markings spread out so they evade it just fine

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ftg teleporting Susanoo away argument is poor especially when it's covered in enton so getting physical contact which he needs isn't happening.​

The claim I meant to use is that he needs to stay using legged Susanoo, for my counter. So covering legged Susanoo entirely is not happening. And lower version legless wouldnt be safe to use.

No he only got Juubito because he was already tagged.

So? Tobirama is still warping around the area backpack Ay is blitzing. Its still going to end up Close Quarters. Unless somehow your implying Sasuke has reaction feats to a nontagged Juubito.

Obito tried using Kamui instead of blocking the attack that is the only reason he was shot down.

Um, since when was I talking about Naruto's scenario?

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Gojo is never happening here. Sasuke isn't giving him the time to summon edo's sacrifice alive bodies(which he doesn't even have).

Already stated in () that he can tag it on Sasuke. Since we know Gojo is also a S/T seal and doesn't have to be place on an Edo Tensei. So he simply adds it on Sasuke's Susanoo

Even if he could teleport Susanoo off Itachi already showed how fast Susanoo can be put right back up.

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No the duration of Susanoo being separated from the user has a different time then the user shutting it on it off. As we clearly saw when SA (Onoki, Gaara, and SM Naruto) facing Madara.

 

[TRE MERCER]

No
Once he gets lightened and has Onoki on his back, sasuke is not landing a single hit on him,
doesnt matter if he could track him, because his attacks are far too slow for them

Super Aggravated Rock Fist says hi, FTG to teleport out of susanoo says hi,

Doesnt need to

he doesnt land a hit on them, and they have the means to get through susanoo so he loses

Doesnt matter when his attacks are dodged with ease

And how is susanoo doing something like that?
there is also the fact that Tobirama can toss a kunai towards sasuke, as they all teleport around the susanoo,
giving tobirama the chance to either teleport sasuek out of susanoo or Ay/Onoki to use aggravated rock fist which smacked around V3 susanoo

Quit overrating Ei's speed lightened up or not he's getting hit here unless you could give some respectable reasons on that? There is a difference between a v3 Susanoo and standing Susanoo.[

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] I would love to see Aggravated fist plow a Susanoo on that calibur down. Also Ei has to slow down to use A-Fist because as Kabuto shown once your lightened up your attacks are puny not to mention didn't MS Sasuke cannonly react to Ei's striking speed here [

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] Sasuke see's him during his strike as we see bottom left corner. Sasuke will easily track his speed and once he gets in striking range it's game for Ei. He almost landed a blow on Juubito inb4 he was amped up on Naruto cloak and cm Naruto's cloak doesn't make things or jutsu faster if it did why wasn't Kakashi's kamui or anything else faster the people in the Shinobi allance.(Nor was anything cloaked suggested to be faster either. Not to mention EMS Madara had 0 problem swatting Backpack Ei while in standing Susanoo so i see no reason for Sasuke to have a problem. Ftg teleporting Susanoo away not when it's covered in Amaterasu. Elaborate on how he's evading Amaterasu this time? MS Sasuke couldn't track/ see him so landing Amaterasu wasn't possible he can now. L0l hard at the Enton blade and Amaterasu comparison. Enton blade nearly hit Juubito and im positive Amaterasu wouldn't have even came close seeing a Juubito reacted and countered it by flicking his wrist who ever you quoted needs to be slapped. If Tobirama throws a Kunai near Sasuke he simples does a 360 Amaterasu and he's never teleporting Sasuke out of Susanoo i've explained this far to many times.​

Nope, V3 is needed especially when Aggravated Rock Fist canonically busted V3 susanoo and blew it meters away

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and that was Madaras V3 Susanoo so Sasukes V3 suffers the same fate,
using repeated strikes would eradicate all of sasukes susanoo variants here,
if enton is used, then Ay can get rid of his arm once sasuke is finished so that wont be an issue either


Tobiramas shunshin > Madaras shunshin
tobiramas shunshin is above the same shunshin that nearly blitzed War Arc SM naruto, so that allready puts his speed at a good caliber, let alone lightened tobirama which puts him at a level of V2 Ay in terms of shunshin added on top of FTG

so yeah his speed is more than enough here

V3 not a standing Susanoo once again. So you think Ei is going to constantly strike Susanoo without Sasuke being able to do anything in return? Lord help this clueless man. @Bold- So SM Naruto clocks @ around v1 3rd Raikage Ei v1 is probably faster and MS Sasuke kept up with Ei v1 so yea. V2 Ei is cannonly slower than KM Naruto who Sasuke could easily keep up with so this isn't helping your case at all.​

Does it still change the fact that he tagged juubito? more than 4 times! No it shouldnt
does it matter here that he lost his body to tag juubito? No it doesnt, because sasuke is nowhere near as fast as juubito nor is he even close to RT Madara

The battle would be finished well before kirin is prepped, or by that stage tobirama would already have markings spread out so they evade it just fine

He tagged Juubito more than 4times? Can we even be sure of this? Those tags exploded with Tobirama's body so why couldn't they just stick to Obito body after he flew through Tobirama? Seeing as they were apart of his body as well. SM Madara who isn't even faster than Juubito Tobirama couldn't even land 1 hit on him(Sasuke landed a hit though) so what does this tell you? He landed blows on Madara something Tobirama couldn't do so i wouldn't underrate his striking speed. Touche on the Kirin counter but it all will come down if Tobirama can react in time to save his team.​

The claim I meant to use is that he needs to stay using legged Susanoo, for my counter. So covering legged Susanoo entirely is not happening. And lower version legless wouldnt be safe to use.



So? Tobirama is still warping around the area backpack Ay is blitzing. Its still going to end up Close Quarters. Unless somehow your implying Sasuke has reaction feats to a nontagged Juubito.

Um, since when was I talking about Naruto's scenario?

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Why isn't it? Ei is going to be blitzing and Tobirama warping around how is that even relevant at all? Juubito was already tagged when Tobirama did that so no. He still can't get close. Yes that scene is very accurate but he won't have Sasuke spawn sealed so he won't be that close in time nor can he get past enton wall.​

Already stated in () that he can tag it on Sasuke. Since we know Gojo is also a S/T seal and doesn't have to be place on an Edo Tensei. So he simply adds it on Sasuke's Susanoo



No the duration of Susanoo being separated from the user has a different time then the user shutting it on it off. As we clearly saw when SA (Onoki, Gaara, and SM Naruto) facing Madara.

I need proof that Gojo can be used without edo's tensei and also will it still be as deadly as if it's used without it. Madara had no need to put Susanoo up not when he was going to absorb the next attack so that irrelevant.​

 

[Abomination]

Team, mid diff.

Ohnoki lightens Raikage and gives him a speed boost. His heavier punches neg Sasuke inside

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Madara wasn't negged inside because he was ET

Tobirama puts seals on the two and helps them with things they can't avoid.
Jinton ends it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You butchered my quote.

Why isn't it? Ei is going to be blitzing and Tobirama warping around how is that even relevant at all? Juubito was already tagged when Tobirama did that so no. He still can't get close. Yes that scene is very accurate but he won't have Sasuke spawn sealed so he won't be that close in time nor can he get past enton wall.​

Again the counter is for legged Susanoo, which he can't cover enton all over its body, its too big. My counter only addresses this form of Susanoo.

If you want to discuss using this counter for legless Susanoo then be prepare to argue Sauke winning by being a sitting duck.

I need proof that Gojo can be used without edo's tensei and also will it still be as deadly as if it's used without it.​

I broke this down before Databook came out:

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And Databook explains this:

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DB clearly states "The Second Hokage developed this for the purpose of combining it with “Edo Tensei”." meaning they dont naturally co exist.

And dont even mention the sentence that stated the caster is going to die. The caster will only die if he place the seal on himself. Otherwise he simply teleports away from it, if attached to something or someone else.

Madara had no need to put Susanoo up not when he was going to absorb the next attack so that irrelevant.

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Except your making stuff up. As manga never implied this. So nothing here is refuted.

 

[ARGUS]

Quit overrating Ei's speed lightened up or not he's getting hit here
unless you could give some respectable reasons on that? ​

V3 not a standing Susanoo once again. So you think Ei is going to constantly strike Susanoo without Sasuke being able to do anything in return? Lord help this clueless man. ​