EMS Sasuke & KMC Naruto vs Tobirama & KSM Minato

[KidGamer65]

If Iam not mistaken it was Juubidama + Bee's TBB.Regardless,paper bombs aren't going to do shit against PS,it can't even destroy a gate of Myojinmon. I don't get how they thinks it can break PS.

I don't think its Bijuu Dama exploded, cause if it did, the explosion would have been much larger...then again you never know..


lmao agreed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Why can't he do that?Correct me if Iam wrong but as far as I know He can keep his body intangible for 5 min.
His ultimate goal is defending himself from sound so He don't have to fight and his opponent ain't going to do anything to him as long as he is intangible.

Intangibility isn't BFR.




If Kabuto can't continuously play it, then he just comes back and attacks, but if he can, then I guess he's f*cked.

and, what stops tayuya (who's being controlled and boosted by kabuto) from playing for 5 minutes? She played her flute song near the entire battle against shikamaru.

Anyway, this is all off topic.

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Why are people still arguing paper bombs destroying susano'o? Are they really trying that hard to make tobirama relevant? Frog songs a far better bet than a gamble explosion.

 

[KidGamer65]

and, what stops tayuya (who's being controlled and boosted by kabuto) from playing for 5 minutes? She played her flute song near the entire battle against shikamaru.

Anyway, this is all off topic.

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Why are people still arguing paper bombs destroying susano'o? Are they really trying that hard to make tobirama relevant? Frog songs a far better bet than a gamble explosion.

It really is....there is no conceivable way that Gojo can even scratch PS.

 

[Avinash012]

and, what stops tayuya (who's being controlled and boosted by kabuto) from playing for 5 minutes? She played her flute song near the entire battle against shikamaru.

Well,I have already admitted that Obito is dead if he plays it for 5 mins in my first post.

Why are people still arguing paper bombs destroying susano'o? Are they really trying that hard to make tobirama relevant? Frog songs a far better bet than a gamble explosion.

@Bold: Lmao.:yeah:

I don't think its Bijuu Dama exploded, cause if it did, the explosion would have been much larger...then again you never know.

May be it was because they were exploded inside Juubi's mouth.

I think it is a better example: Bee's own TBB explosion made him look like an ant

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.Though Iam not sure whether it is Bee or SM Naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Bigger doesn't always mean strong. The strength of an explosion depends on the energy inside the bomb. We've already seen larger explosive scale in this manga even by fodder battles, but it would never scratch Perfect Susanoo when it can barely destroy huge rocks:

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The scale of Deidara's clay chakra infused bombs were insane as well, yet Sasuke(in Curse seal level2) tanked it:

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Hell even his C0 that seemed too gigantic and powerful had a pitful result in the end:

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Sai uses paper bombs as well with his ink techniques. The scale was enough to catch a great part of the forest, yet it barely scratched Haku's mirrors:

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All this to show how judging the power of an attack by the scale is a mistake. Regardless of the scale, the energy ratio inside a Bijuudama is significantly above that of the paper bombs from GK

 

[Touken]

OK, I'll concede my points. I was under the impression DoT would be effective against PS.

Although, I'm still not sold on the points regarding the explosions.

-Naruto's Rasengan is larger than Mini Bijuu Dama but its very very clear which has the stronger explosion. [x]

-Bijuu Rasengan is stronger than FRS since Naruto was going to use it on the Raikage after seeing FRS fail. [X] But FRS is larger.

Its because they are made of different kinds of energy. Black and White Chakra is superior to normal chakra, which is also superior to mere paper tags. So an explosion that already dwarfs Gojo and is made of stronger energy will obviously be much stronger than it.

-Naruto resorted to the Bijuudama because he thought that was the attack that created the scar on the 3rd's chest [

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-If he was under the impression that a full Bijuudama managed to create a scar, why would he try to go for a mini version of a Bijuudama? I'm pretty sure he wasn't aiming for a mini one, as you can see

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but then it suddenly popped, so I'm pretty sure he was aiming to make a larger Bijuudama than the mini one he used against Madara. Black and white chakra is superior to normal chakra because normal chakra alone can't make explosions.

@the others, once the paper tags explode, the explosion itself is instant. The only time he can walk away is when the explosion's over.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Bigger doesn't always mean strong. The strength of an explosion depends on the energy inside the bomb. We've already seen larger explosive scale in this manga even by fodder battles, but it would never scratch Perfect Susanoo when it can barely destroy huge rocks:

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The scale of Deidara's clay chakra infused bombs were insane as well, yet Sasuke(in Curse seal level2) tanked it:

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Hell even his C0 that seemed too gigantic and powerful had a pitful result in the end:

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Sai uses paper bombs as well with his ink techniques. The scale was enough to catch a great part of the forest, yet it barely scratched Haku's mirrors:

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All this to show how judging the power of an attack by the scale is a mistake. Regardless of the scale, the energy ratio inside a Bijuudama is significantly above that of the paper bombs from GK

Not disagreeing but, how was C0's damage pitiful? It completely vaporized everything within a 10km Crater.

 

[Bogard]

Not disagreeing but, how was C0's damage pitiful? It completely vaporized everything within a 10km Crater.

Despite the size, it barely scratched the ground

Also, i really doubt it was that large

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[Touken]

Despite the size, it barely scratched the ground

Also, i really doubt it was that large

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Those calculations aren't accurate.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Despite the size, it barely scratched the ground

Also, i really doubt it was that large

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I highly doubt the buildings or anything are accurately depicted; if you look closely, there's also buildings on the left which just look weird. When you look at the explosion of C0, it does indeed seem like a possible 10km explosion. Just check how low the clouds are with respect to the explosion, it went right up past the lower atmosphere.

but, anyway, i see what you're saying. If that's not a 10/20km crater than really, i guess it's a bit underwhelming.

 

[KidGamer65]

OK, I'll concede my points. I was under the impression DoT would be effective against PS.

Although, I'm still not sold on the points regarding the explosions.

-Naruto resorted to the Bijuudama because he thought that was the attack that created the scar on the 3rd's chest [

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].-If he was under the impression that a full Bijuudama managed to create a scar, why would he try to go for a mini version of a Bijuudama? I'm pretty sure he wasn't aiming for a mini one, as you can see

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but then it suddenly popped, so I'm pretty sure he was aiming to make a larger Bijuudama than the mini one he used against Madara. Black and white chakra is superior to normal chakra because normal chakra alone can't make explosions.

Ok, you got me on this point, but not on the Rasengan vs Mini Bijuu Dama point. Mini Bijuu Dama is smaller but yields a stronger explosion. Completely debunking your size=power argument.

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] That is still an explosion, just not the kind or size or scale that Bijuu Dama yields.

 

[Bronze]

And we have jokers saying Gojo penetrates Perfect Susanoo. Its nothing but multiple paper bombs, just like paper kunai bombs. Its not going to even penetrate V2 Susanoo. Regardless, Tobirama is non-factor and can be taken out quickly. Naruto and Sasuke teamwork overwhelms Minato.

Team 1 mid diff.

 

[Touken]

Ok, you got me on this point, but not on the Rasengan vs Mini Bijuu Dama point. Mini Bijuu Dama is smaller but yields a stronger explosion. Completely debunking your size=power argument.

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] That is still an explosion, just not the kind or size or scale that Bijuu Dama yields.

Ah, lemme correct myself, black and white chakra is superior to normal chakra because black and white chakra is practically designed for explosions, meaning it naturally has a bigger explosion. For example, if you were to get a mini Bijuudama the same size as an FRS, the mini Bijuudama would naturally have a bigger explosion, and the bigger explosion would mean a stronger one. If you were to get a mini Bijuudama small enough that it's explosion would be equal to a normal paper tag, the strength of both explosions would be the same, and if you were to place that paper tag on a tree and used that same mini Bijuudama, the damage to the tree would be the same. I might leave this now though, I don't think we'll be able to convince each other.

 

[Unorthodox]

Touken is a joke

tobirama get wrecked by either party low-med diff

 

[SIX PATHZ]

there is many more gd explanations there so no doubt team one most likely mid diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Ah, lemme correct myself, black and white chakra is superior to normal chakra because black and white chakra is practically designed for explosions, meaning it naturally has a bigger explosion. For example, if you were to get a mini Bijuudama the same size as an FRS, the mini Bijuudama would naturally have a bigger explosion, and the bigger explosion would mean a stronger one. If you were to get a mini Bijuudama small enough that it's explosion would be equal to a normal paper tag, the strength of both explosions would be the same, and if you were to place that paper tag on a tree and used that same mini Bijuudama, the damage to the tree would be the same. I might leave this now though, I don't think we'll be able to convince each other.

No proof that its designed for explosions. Don't even know where you got that from, the rest of your post is based on that baseless assumption so its all invalid. Its really as simple as this:

. If you were to get a mini Bijuudama small enough that it's explosion would be equal to a normal paper tag, the strength of both explosions would be the same

That is obviously false. Otherwise a smaller Mini Bijuu Dama wouldn't be stronger than a bigger Rasengan.


@bold: Bad comparison. Mini Bijuu Dama is already made with stronger energy than FRS, so of course the explosion will be stronger. How does this oppose my main point?

-Explosion size doesn't equal explosion power. Mini Bijuu Dama and Rasengan have different types of energy used in them. Rasengan is bigger but its not stronger than Mini Bijuu Dama, which is smaller than Rasengan. So size and explosive power aren't directly related. Its what the attack is made of.

 

[Murasame]

@the others, once the paper tags explode, the explosion itself is instant. The only time he can walk away is when the explosion's over.

Are you telling me an explosion is going to somehow restrict his movement? Gee I didn't know explosions can bind you restricting your movement. I'm pretty sure if the explosion doesn't affect you much if at all then you can walk through it unless you can show me otherwise.

 

[Touken]

No proof that its designed for explosions. Don't even know where you got that from, the rest of your post is based on that baseless assumption so its all invalid. Its really as simple as this:

Black and white chakra is used for nothing else. It's only used for Bijuudama.

That is obviously false. Otherwise a smaller Mini Bijuu Dama wouldn't be stronger than a bigger Rasengan.

@bold: Bad comparison. Mini Bijuu Dama is already made with stronger energy than FRS, so of course the explosion will be stronger. How does this oppose my main point?

-Explosion size doesn't equal explosion power. Mini Bijuu Dama and Rasengan have different types of energy used in them. Rasengan is bigger but its not stronger than Mini Bijuu Dama, which is smaller than Rasengan. So size and explosive power aren't directly related. Its what the attack is made of.

You keep comparing a Rasengan and a mini Bijuudama but they do completely different things, unless you mean FRS? You're comparing the size of the techniques instead of the size of the explosions which is what I use to dictate the strength of an explosion. If FRS is shown to have a bigger explosion than a mini Bijuudama, then yeah, I'd say it has a stronger explosion, and thus a stronger technique.

Are you telling me an explosion is going to somehow restrict his movement? Gee I didn't know explosions can bind you restricting your movement. I'm pretty sure if the explosion doesn't affect you much if at all then you can walk through it unless you can show me otherwise.

Holy crap, what are you talking about? How do you walk through something that occurs instantly?

 

[Murasame]

Holy crap, what are you talking about? How do you walk through something that occurs instantly?

Gee if you can't understand what I'm saying then you're a damn moron. Uhh I don't know you tank the explosion and walk away from it instead of standing there like a dumbass? I never said he'd walk away before it explodes so I don't get this whole business about it being instant. It really doesn't matter if its not going to destroy PS. He tanks the explosion to which he hardly takes damage from and walks away to avoid anymore damage.. simple as that. Even if he did take significant damage like you said it would take time which would give Sasuke the time to either attack while in PS or simply walk out of it.. If PS can tank attacks like the Buddha's punches and at the same dish out its own attacks I don't see why PS can do something like this. You're a smart guy but sometimes you can make outlandish claims.. its about time you get your head out of Tobirama's ass.

 

[iNotorious]

Team 1 mid difficult u-u