EMS Sasuke & KCM Naruto vs Nagato
- Thread starter Zee U
- Start date
A tsunade who used up all her chakra to protect everyone else survived Devaʻs CST and base naruto w/ tajuu kagebunshin resisted devaʻs shinra tensei. Nagatoʻs shinra tensei he used on KCM Naruto in canon didnʻt do any damage to him, boss sized shinra tenseis arenʻt doing anything to naruto except sending him away.
PIS off and manga knowledge, Naruto kills the chameleon the instant he feels it grab him instead of just messing around and trying to reason with a bloodlusted edo nagato. Chakra rods from nagato arenʻt piercing a cloak that could withstand hits from V2 jinchurikis.
Nagato can only absorb attacks that he can mentally react to. He barely even absorbed jiraiyaʻs Chou oodama rasengan, barely absorbed beeʻs V2 lariat, got his arms sliced off by itachiʻs susanoo blindside and got shanked by totsuka. Narutoʻs clones arenʻt getting eradicated by large scale shinra tenseis if they brace themselves like base naruto did in canon. While nagato focuses on naruto, sasuke is free to end him with his super fast arsenal such as susanoo arrow.
This isnʻt a 1 vs 1 fight. Sasuke can be pure support, or attack nagato while nagato is dealing with naruto. Vice versa, Naruto can shunshin blitz nagato while heʻs dealing with sasuke.
none of that is repelled if heʻs using deva path for other things like yanking sasuke out of susanoo or attacking KCM Naruto. GM soul dragons get easily dodged as Hanzou did it in canon, Nagato isnʻt pulling off CST at close range since it requires prep and him to shut down all the other paths which results in him either getting blitzed or shanked.
This isnʻt a 1 vs 1 fight, and this isnʻt a fight where nagato is never in cooldown from his shinra tenseis. Naruto is also not hit by PIS, has over 25x the amount of chakra he had against nagato in canon, and knowledge is manga therefore nagato isnʻt going to pull off surprise wins via no knowledge.
Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo
Jōnin Strategist 🧠
- Joined
- Jul 2, 2014
- Messages
- 1,495
- Reaction score
- 60
Nagato low difficulty .
ARGUS
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2014
- Messages
- 6,324
- Reaction score
- 319
Ive already addressed most of the points above,, but ill provide a summary:
--
You must be registered for see links
therefore the effects of the jutsu were bare minimal on the people, it was merely used by Pein to wreck the village, ST involves nagato himself being the epicentre, therefore the closer you are,to him, the more drastic the effects,
--Naruto resisted ST due to having his clones already prepped, he and his clones would get blown away, seeing how he has no way of percieving ST at all,
--The ST that was used on naruto still blew him quite a few metres away, and boss sized ST would certainly damage especially when used from point blank, and Lol at boss sized ST not doing anything,
the
You must be registered for see links
, and naruto in KCM is not tiers above them in durability to survive with no damage whatsoevver, not to mention that the technique would be coming from nagato himself therefore the scale of the jutsu is higher Naruto diidnt sense the chameleon regardless of his KCM, there is no PIS in that, and naruto had knowledge on everyhting in nagatos arsenal,
and why exactly are chakra rods not piercing the cloaks?? not that it matters since nagato can absorb the cloak through preta and then pierce naruto and immobilise him,
Pretty much all of this post is moot since kabuto was in control of nagato,
and Lol what are you on about @Bold - thats just wroong,
fiirst of all, Jiraiyas CO Rasengan was absorbed by preta and was absorbed with utmost ease,
secondly bees V2 shroud was also absorbed with no problems so i dont see what you are on about,
as for itachi susanoo, firstly he was focused on naruto and bee, and secondly kabuto was in control of him,
Lol, Nagato is a sensor, sasukes susanoo arrows and MS techniquues are food for preta, none of his atttacks are doing anything at all, and naruto is not getting his clones to protect himself if he has not prepped them,
and boss sized ST damage him quite a bit, or at the very least eradicate his clones,
Nagato is not getting blitzed, he is one of the best sensors and has nigh instant deva path techniques that cannot be sensed or percieved by naruto, meaning that all nagatoo has to do is activaet ST, and blow naruto, his clones and their techniques away,
and Sasuke is not stalling him at all, all he is doing is getting his techniques absorbed or overwhelmed through nagatos attacks,
Nagato can use multiple paths at once, meaning that he can have his preta path up, whilst using deva path techniques, COFRS is repelled just how FRS did in canon, with ease,
GM soul dragon can be dodged by naruto, but sasuke is not dodgin it at all, nor does he have a way of attacking the dragon itself since it has no physical properties at all, and would literallly phase through his susanoo and rip his soul out,
not to mention that CST and GM soul Dragon are only his last resorts, and CST from point blank is still killing naruto
CST doesnt require prep it has a mere charge up time, and nagato is not Pein, so that part is also moot, not to mention that nagato wont be announcing his CST to the duo, and the fact that they cant percieve his ST makes them quite vulnerable to it,
Naruto is still getting ALL of his attacks and his shroud absorbed or repelled,
Sasuke is also getting ALL of his attacks either absorbed or repelled,
more chakra or not, naruto has no real way of attacking nagato, neither does sasuke, meeaning that they are not winning this, and knowledge being manga or not, the fight had PIS for nagato as well, as he isnt crippled ITT,
naruto also isnt as durable as u are claiming it out to be,
and i neverr stated that ngato has no cooldown, but his cooldown is still shorter than 5 seconds, most likely seeing how he is executing his techniques throuugh himself and not through some puppet that is kilometres away and only has a portiion of his power,
CST isnʻt a shockwave, it doesnʻt matter how far away you are from the epicenter, pain choses what objects he wants to affect and then they get put under the affects of said gravity with pain being the center of it. Itʻs the same with the boss sized shinra tensei. It beat the toads because gravity affects larger opponents a lot worse than smaller ones. thatʻs the whole reason why shinra tensei doesnʻt do anything to SM Naruto, and far larger ones donʻt do anything against deva path or KCM Naruto. Itʻs the same reason gamabunta got was on the ground for a while after falling off of cereberus. Naruto in KCM IS tiers above the boss frogs in durability, and then we have the boss frogs going up against an attack that affects larger opponents more than smaller ones.
Naruto did sense the chameleon in KCM, thatʻs the whole reason why he looked in nagatoʻs direction with !? before Nagato used shinra tensei. Not only that, but the chameleon even became visible by the time bee jumped down to attack nagato. Naruto didnʻt have knowledge on everything in nagatoʻs arsenal, he was literally asking nagato what human path does, he didnʻt know about the chameleon, didnʻt know about cereberuʻs splitting, didnʻt know about asura, and finally didnʻt even know nagato could use all his pathʻs powers or had shared vision until he saw that nagato was actually doing those things. chakra rods donʻt pierce KCM Narutoʻs cloak since the cloak withstood V2 slashing attacks and sword strikes.
Preta barely was able to activate its barrier in time to absorb Jiraiyaʻs COR, the rasengan actually made contact with the path before we saw the absorption sphere come out.
V2 Beeʻs shroud made contact with nagato before nagato was able to absorb it.
Had either of those attacks been a moment earlier preta would have died, nagato would have been defeated.
Doesnʻt matter if kabuto was in control of Nagato or not, it shows that Nagatoʻs preta path gets beaten by speed, blindsides and blitzes.
So what if nagato is a sensor? SM Kabutoʻs sensing craps on nagatoʻs, yet he still gets tagged by Sasukeʻs arrows when sufficiently pressured.
since when can deva pathʻs techs not be sensed or perceived by naruto? Nagato uses shinra tensei to blow naruto away, Sasuke ends the distracted nagato with a superfast susanoo arrow. Nagato focuses on Sasuke, Naruto flashblitzes nagatoʻs head off with a handheld nuke.
Donʻt see how thatʻs a response to what I posted.
why canʻt sasuke dodge them if hanzou could dodge them? Why would CST from point blank kill Naruto? CST absolutely does require prep time, naruto senses nagato building up a massive amount of chakra and flashblitzes him before he pulls CST off or Sasuke protects both of them with V4 susanoo and both stomp nagato in cooldown.
Only if they fight nagato 1 vs 1 and just throw their attacks at him from afar. Not if they work together and use super fast attacks like KCM shunshin, susanoo arrow or kirin.
Since when is nagatoʻs cooldown shorter than 5 seconds? Since when is the cooldown related to the techniques being executed through nagato? Not only that, but the cooldown depends on the power of the shinra tensei used, devaʻs weakest shinra tensei required 5 seconds, if nagato is going to be using his giant ones, heʻs going to have a much larger gap.
and lol no, just because Nagato can absorb Naruto and Sasukeʻs ninjutsu if he stands there and they throw it at him from far away does not mean he had the reactions to absorb things like a KCM shunshin + kunai slash/smash, susanoo arrow or kirin while being preoccupied fighting clones or the other guy.
Also, why isnʻt KCM Naruto as durable as I make him out to be? KCM Naruto hasnʻt really been hurt by an attack in the manga.
Last edited:
Dave Stevenson
Banned
- Joined
- Jun 22, 2013
- Messages
- 1,189
- Reaction score
- 55
Hahaha nagato solos
ARGUS
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2014
- Messages
- 6,324
- Reaction score
- 319
No, ST is a mere repulsive force, its just a blastwave,, where nagato just puts himself as the epicentre
You must be registered for see links
, but he cant just control on who to affect,
You must be registered for see links
as only naruto was the one affected by the force, whilst Bee and Itachi were unfazed by it, A larger force is required to damage the more durable entities, regardless of gravity, the ST needed to use on the toads is required to be much stronger other wise the toads can just tank it,
furthermore Naruto in KCM is still not tiers above the boss toads in durability (where one of them fought a bijuu,)
his durability is not like the kurama avatar, nor has he shown some impressive durability feats, his durability is compensated for his speed, thats all,
and the increase in durability from his base is through a chakra shroud that nagato can absorb
Naruto is still getting affected by large scale ST especially from point blank range,
and @Bold - the larger ones will affect naruto quite a bit, deva path didnt use anyy of the stronger variants of ST on SM Naruto, and Deva himself is the epicentre of the technique so ofcourse he would be unfazed by ST.
The chameleon becomes visible when Nagato tries to attack, thats how naruto saw him if he could sense nagato, then he wouldnt have asked where nagato was
You must be registered for see links
had he sensed the chameleon, then he wouldnt have been caught by an entitiy much slower than him, nor would he have jumped right towards it, and as for the intel, naruto knew everything about nagato, the only thing he was unaware of was human path thats it, and that nagato himself could use all 6 paths (which wasnt really hard to deduce since he himself powers up the Peins)
You must be registered for see links
and what is this time thing,
that way the same could be said for naruto,
that if hinata wouldnt have appeared he wouldve died against pein, if the kyuubi didnt come out, he wouldve died, if itachi didnt come to help him then he wouldve died,
You must be registered for see links
, and
You must be registered for see links
lastly,, Preta paths reactions <<<<<<<<<<< nagatos reactions,
he would be able to activate preta in time quite easily
Lol what is this, enough with the time thing, he absorbed them in time, thats all,
You must be registered for see links
he absorbed his shroud when he made contact with him, since that was needed for preta to do, otherwise without contact with the chakra technique it wont be able to absorb, thats all there is to it,,
he reacted to Bee quite easily, and even physically evaded his blow, andd tanked his blow
He wouldnt have died at all
He has one of the best sensing in the manga, and has nigh instant deva path techniques, meaning that blitzing is never happening,
he can also cover his blindsides through shared vision, and he doesnt need to rely on preta that much, since he can still use it to absorb all of their jutsu with ease,
Nagato was the only shinobi who sensed kabutos presense kilometres away and enabled itachi to pinpoint his location
thats one of the best sensing feats in the manga
he also sensed amaterasu atleast 10 panels before it was executed, and even managed to warn the others about it
no way in hell does kabutos sensing crap on nagatos, and not to mention that kabutos jutsus are not nigh instant, and he also knew that susanoo arrows wont do much to him due to his liquifying,
@Bold - since the manga events,
no one has been able to sense or perceeive ST, and please naruto has never sensed the jutsu at all,
seeing how he got caught by it with ease,
and Lol at Sasuke ending him with a Susanoo arrow,
when its most likely that sasuke would also be affected by Nagatoos attack,
and secondly nagato can sense the oncoming arrow and absorb it with preta,
naruto iisnt flash blitzing nagato off either, when nagato can sense him and most likely tank his physical attacks, and then absorb his shroud,or any ninjutsu he uses,, as he can then proceed to blow his head off with shurado, or restrain him and then kill him through ningendo
CST is only a last resort
CST blew up an entire village from kilometres away, at point blank, the force would be far too concentrated and would eradicate naruto, not to mention that nagatos jutsus are much stronger than devas meaning that the effect would be greater,
Narutos durability is still much lower than V3/V4 susanoo here, and none of sasukes susanoo here stand any chance what so ever, they simply cant tank CST from point blank,
V3 susanoo was blew open by Danzos fuuton which is no where near boss sized ST let alone CST<
and V4 was busted by kirin, which is also inferior to CST,
therefore sasuke is not protecting nagato, nor is naruto fflashblitzing nagato,
All of them are countered as stated above,,
Kirin requires a downward arm movement as i said before therefore allowing nagato more than enough time to activate ST before the jutsu is castted
not to mention that the attack is simply killin naruto instead due to its vast AOE which naruto cant evade nor could he tank
Since the manga, and common sense
Nagato doesnt have to deliver his chakra to his puppet who is kilometeres away and only recieves a portion of his power, he himself is executing them therefore the drawbacks are much shorter, and thus a shorter interval
Cool Down does depend on the users magnitude of techniques, but nagatos cool down would be much shorter than devas,
he has the sensing skills to percieve narutos shunshin and can then activate ST to blow him away,
his shurado armor can tank the kunai slash, and his preta can easily negate the susnaooo arrow,,
narutos physical blows are simply not doing anything when bees lariat failed, and naruto would just get his shroud stolen, once preta comes into contact,, as shurado missile can be used to blow naruto off
Its because his speed has helped him EVADE the attacks,he hasnt shown any tanking feats at all
and ur making it out as if he is as durable as the kurama avatar
Last edited:
isonworth18
Member
- Joined
- Feb 8, 2016
- Messages
- 236
- Reaction score
- 7
naruto and sasuke mid or high diff in first scene
2nd scene is just low diff, kcm planetary rasengan with chakra arms makes his ass use shinra tensei, then naruto with 13 clones in kcm with sage mode boosting their speed guiding sage mode enhanced frs with chakra arms while sasuke uses susanoo arrow, they low diff
2nd scene is just low diff, kcm planetary rasengan with chakra arms makes his ass use shinra tensei, then naruto with 13 clones in kcm with sage mode boosting their speed guiding sage mode enhanced frs with chakra arms while sasuke uses susanoo arrow, they low diff
