EMS Sasuke does NOT have Perfect Susanoo.

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Sasuke's biggest Susanoo made without external help was this:

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Then, during the war, people pointed at this as an example of him using PS:

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But you can very clearly see he's attached to the very strongest tailed beast.
"B-but, the nose..." Wtf does a nose mean when the rest of the thing is missing?
Point at the Susanoos that were influenced by Kurama's chakra so much that they're not even humanoid anymore and I'll laugh.

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We all know a real merging of ps and kurama looks like this:

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So I have to ask you guys something. If EMS Madara and Sasuke really have PS, then why did neither of them display it on their own until they got their Rikudo Chakra like Kakashi after Obito gave it to him? WHY did Madara use V4 Susanoo against Hashirama and never show anything resembling his PS before getting Rinnegan and being revived? Don't dare point at that merger he made with Kurama that wasn't even humanoid.

 

[Uverdore9]

Sasuke should've PS tho. He has EMS which is the requirement for PS. But nice point.

 

[Styles]

2018 and people still think this.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

2018 and people still think this.

People will continuously attempt to refute solid reasoning and evidence without any of their own till the end of times.

 

[Guntah]

Its easier to assume he doesn't, seeing as if he did, it would be completely featless. Obviously it would be less powerful than the one he had after his boost, but its impossible to say by just how much.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Sasuke covered the 9 tails in PS armour similar to how Madara did therefore it's PS.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Sasuke covered the 9 tails in PS armour similar to how Madara did therefore it's PS.

This reasoning is ridiculous. You say Sasuke has PS because he did something Madara had did to Kurama, but Madara at that point had never displayed PS either. You're using two people in the same position to support the other.

 

[salamander uchiha]

This reasoning is ridiculous. You say Sasuke has PS because he did something Madara had did to Kurama, but Madara at that point had never displayed PS either. You're using two people in the same position to support the other.

Are you being silly? Madara made his claim that the landscape won't be redrawn as much since its only him this time. And he said it as he whipped out PS. Also the armour he covered the Kyubi in and sliced with sliced mountain tops with was the same as PS.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Are you being silly? Madara made his claim that th landscape won't be redrawn as much since its only him using it. Also the armour he covered the Kyubi in and sliced with sliced mountains just like PS.

It's almost as if the merger was a beast made from two of the strongest characters we've ever seen. Not to mention the merger had swords in its hands(don't try to use this as evidence, we know Susanoo can have weapons without being perfected). Don't know what you're trying to get across with what isn't in bold.

 

[Styles]

People will continuously attempt to refute solid reasoning and evidence without any of their own till the end of times.

Lol refute what? Your reasoning is bad and false. Literally the whole base know EMS Sasuke have PS and proven long ago.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Lol refute what? Your reasoning is bad and false. Literally the whole base know EMS Sasuke have PS and proven long ago.

Keep saying that. It makes this easier for me.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It's almost as if the merger was a beast made from two of the strongest characters we've ever seen. Not to mention the merger had swords in its hands(don't try to use this as evidence, we know Susanoo can have weapons without being perfected). Don't know what you're trying to get across with what isn't in bold.

Why shouldn't I use it as evidence? it's official evidence, lesser forms of Susanoo can have weapons but not the swords of the PS or produce the same effects. I thought you'd have a more concrete rebuttal.

Hashirama fought against Madara who had PS. Tsunade confirms ot Madara doesn't negate it but instead says the maps won't be need to redrawn as much since its only him this time.

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The stage before perfect Susanoo and holding the seals before it stabalises.

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The Same shape and seals as the stage preceding the PS.

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Madara covers the Nine tails in PS armour

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The Same slash effect produced by PS.

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PS sword slash effects.

PS would be weaker as an attire since the matter under it isn't a solid mass as it would be with the normal form.

Before I forgot PS is a listed as an MS tech and not a rinnegan tech so that assertion is false.

 

[Zlad]

Then explain the PS sword on the Kyuubi thanks.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

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The stage before perfect Susanoo and holding the seals before it stabalises.

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The Same shape and seals as the stage preceding the PS.

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Madara covers the Nine tails in PS armour

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The Same slash effect produced by PS.

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PS sword slash effects.

PS would be weaker as an attire since the matter under it isn't a solid mass as it would be with the normal form.

Before I forgot PS is a listed as an MS tech and not a rinnegan tech so that assertion is false.

I did not say PS awakens from Rinnegan- only Rikudo Chakra. The Rinnegan is the indication of Rikudo Chakra. In that spoiler you show a form preceding the PS aka not Perfect Susanoo. There is no Perfect Susanoo to be seen. Again, the merger has swords in its hands and weapons aren't restricted to PS. The only reasoning you have that the merger is PS is by pointing at a similar outcome from the attacks when both wield swords. That's akin to saying Naruto's Sage Mode is Bijuu Mode because his Rasengans leave gigantic craters like Bijuu Bombs and are the same shape.

Why shouldn't I use it as evidence? it's official evidence, lesser forms of Susanoo can have weapons but not the swords of the PS or produce the same effects. I thought you'd have a more concrete rebuttal.

For your first claim that lesser Susanoo's cannot wield a sword I present you this malformed Susanoo that's in the original post.

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Hashirama fought against Madara who had PS. Tsunade confirms ot Madara doesn't negate it but instead says the maps won't be need to redrawn as much since its only him this time.

You're mentioning her again, but I don't know what you're trying to get across...

Then explain the PS sword on the Kyuubi thanks.

The very first image in the original post. Does this look like a PS? It has a sword despite that.

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You can even see the tree that it cleanly cut down.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Just because he didnt use PS doesnt mean he doesnt have it - This scan right here proves that he does

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[SumnNarutoRelated]

I used to think this too but there’s a couple hints pointing to the fact that madara has ps with ems:

- he spoke to the five kage stating that he’ll respond with full power also. There’s no way he would know what “full power” is if he never activated ps before.

- I know ppl hate filler but I hate that word because some “filler” is just a valid expansion of something presented, and in hashiramas flashback you see madara pulling out a ps.

The problem is, there’s wayyyyy more evidence showing that both Sasuke and madara need rikudou chakra to form ps

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Just because he didnt use PS doesnt mean he doesnt have it - This scan right here proves that he does

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Now where is your proof that what you see in the pic is Perfect Susanoo when no one who made that merger displayed Perfect Susanoo before attaching to a literal beast made of chakra?

I used to think this too but there’s a couple hints pointing to the fact that madara has ps with ems:

- he spoke to the five kage stating that he’ll respond with full power also. There’s no way he would know what “full power” is if he never activated ps before.

- I know ppl hate filler but I hate that word because some “filler” is just a valid expansion of something presented, and in hashiramas flashback you see madara pulling out a ps.

Madara was an edo when he fought the 5 kages and already had Rikudo Chakra. It logically makes sense for his full power to have more additions than when he fought Hashirama. Don't know about bold.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Tbh, even if the merger is Perfect Susanoo, there's no indication it could've been made without Kurama.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Why shouldn't I use it as evidence? it's official evidence, lesser forms of Susanoo can have weapons but not the swords of the PS or produce the same effects. I thought you'd have a more concrete rebuttal.

Hashirama fought against Madara who had PS. Tsunade confirms ot Madara doesn't negate it but instead says the maps won't be need to redrawn as much since its only him this time.

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The stage before perfect Susanoo and holding the seals before it stabalises.

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The Same shape and seals as the stage preceding the PS.

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Madara covers the Nine tails in PS armour

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The Same slash effect produced by PS.

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PS sword slash effects.

PS would be weaker as an attire since the matter under it isn't a solid mass as it would be with the normal form.

Before I forgot PS is a listed as an MS tech and not a rinnegan tech so that assertion is false.

This shows that Uchiha are the strongest and the only ones able to achive their power on their own through their genetics such as sharingan/MS/EMS > Rinnegan/Sharinnegan - and the only one who could stood up against Madara is Hashirama , senju were lucky they had someone like him. Everybody else are nothing infront of the Uchiha clan

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[salamander uchiha]

I did not say PS awakens form Rinnegan- only Rikudo Chakra. The Rinnegan is the indication of Rikudo Chakra. In that spoiler you show a form preceding the PS aka not Perfect Susanoo. There is no Perfect Susanoo to be seen. Again, the merger has swords in its hands and weapons aren't restricted to PS. The only reasoning you have that the merger is PS is by pointing at a similar outcome from the attacks when both wield swords. That's akin to saying Naruto's Sage Mode is Bijuu mode because his Rasengans leave gigantic craters like Bijuu Bombs and are the same shape.

Nonsense you clearly ignored the scan the stage proceeding PS is the stage that gets stabilised and becomes perfect Susanoo. That is what Madara produces before he forms PS, he does the same the Kyubi but instead covers it in the attire.

I think you need to leave the redundant logic at the door Sage mode and Bijuu mode are clearly different one originates from a bijuu and also contains positive and negative chakra and the other does not, they produce different effects, apart from many other differences. The same cannot be said with PS and it's swords and exact same effects. Like for like can be used to establish origins.

For your first claim that lesser Susanoo's cannot wield a sword I present you this malformed Susanoo that's in the original post.

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That was never my claim read it again.

My claim was lesser form of Susanoo haven't used the PS swords.

You're mentioning her again, but I don't know what you're trying to get across...



The very first image in the original post. Does this look like a PS?

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I'm saying Madara and Tsunade are pretty much confirming that Madara used PS against Hashirama. What's lesser Susanoo got to do with PS.