EMS Sasuke & BSM Naruto vs The Akatsuki

[Optimistic]

hard to tell who wins, this match up is way too chaotic.

 

[genii96]

A ST would disturb Kisame's Daikodan, so good luck with that. What does Nagato being a sensor have anything to do with what I just said? I said Naruto would be able to sense any blindsiding attack, which is what you previously proposed. I mentioned nothing of blindsinding Nagato.

Gedo Mazo? Bad idea. Nagato would end up

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, leaving him vulnerable at the end of the day. Not to mention the Dragon is physical [

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]. It isn't bypassing Susano'o. Like I said, it'd only be limiting Nagato's movements, as he cannot properly control it.

Susano'o is a layer over the Susano'o. So while the PS might be getting absorbed, Kurama is perfectly fine underneath. When they realize PS is being absorbed, and Ninjutsu is meaningless, a roar will suffice. CT works slow. Itachi, Naruto and Bee had time to converse and come up with a plan, and this is just them. A more overwhelming physical presence like PS/Kurama should be able to withstand that force meanwhile they take care of Daikodan. Not even mentioning, who's to say Kisame won't be affected by the jutsu? Can you prove to me he can withstand the jutsu? Because as far as I'm concerned, only Nagato has shown the means to withstand it while his surroundings falter.

nagato can easily use a focused ST on the roar,and this is assuming kisame attacks from the front and not behind. I highly doubt naruto and sasuke would ignore nagato nd turn around to stop a GSB which they would believe to be a normal attack.

Nagato ended up that way because he used the statue when it had no chakra to attack,thus he had to use his own. The statue has 7 bijuus inside it,that is unnecessary. Plus he has been using and summoning it to take the bijuus from jins even while in astral form.

GSB gets more powerful as it absorbs,and it is a projectile attack,once it absorbs PS it will just get stronger and bigger,it is not absorbing the whole PS anyway,so it has no reason to stop moving,by the time they reaize it's absorbing their chakra it would have hit them. Nagato beig a sensor means he can also sense the attack of naruto and sasuke and coordinate his attacks with the other members.

CT is far from slow,kabuto was controlling nagato and couldnt use his powers properly,it turned into a massive mini moon from a tiny orb in secs in the hand of deva..if it manages to reach that size,then theyre screwed. Especially since nagato is out for the kill and not to capture so he dosent have to worry about trapping them,but crushing them.
Deva path sent 3 bijuu sized toads accross konoha and beyond with a simple ST,CT will attract them whether they are fused or not.

Also preta renders nearly everything they use useless. Chakra chains from gedo will be the end of these two,c4 will also get naruto as well.

Nagato,itachi and a flying deidara attack from the front,you think they would turn their back on them to block an attack on kisame?

 

[AGoodBoy]

Not only are Naruto and Sasuke right next to each other once they are inside the PS Kurama fusion, as we know Sasuke can see the nano bombs, so there is no reason why Sasuke can't give him an electrical shock to defuse the bombs.

Not to mention I don't see how they'd get through Susanoo and then get through the Kurama Avatar.

So Itachi is going to stroll right up to this and try and Genjutsu Sasuke? While he's inside this?

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lol, no. If he tries that then he gets blown off the face of the planet with a Senjutsu Bijuu Dama or a PS sword slash.

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Therefore, Sasuke's not even opening a ribcage susano'o before this genjutsu battle begins, leaving him a lovely ragdoll for nagato to 2-shot[

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One thing you forget with your little 'theory' about sasuke giving naruto a 'little shock' is that sasuke was left in a

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after hitting himself with his chidori. This is what happened to sasuke who's lightning affinity and could channel it through his body; What do you expect to even happen to naruto? This isn't an attack he can just tank with his BSM cloak because the chidori must channel through his entire body so, either he drops his cloak and lets Chidori paralyse him, or he tanks the chidori with his BSM cloak and get solo'd by nanobombs.
Furthermore, being left in a critical state like this, for even sasuke, gives akatsuki a massive advantage as people like pain could simply attract both of them to the group and combo them out.



And why would BM cloak block nanobombs? susano'o, maybe, but BM cloak? I highly doubt even susano'o can do it seeing as you breathe in this attack and I know for a fact that naruto and sasuke both breathe... And, that's not factoring in Kisame who could just GSB that cloak/susano'o down, or nagato who could drain the chakra on it, or itachi who could hit them with a tsukuyomi/genjutsu so that the cloak drops for that 1 vital second.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

nagato,kisame and itachi are actually enough.
Tbb is food for preta,kisame's GSB will kill either of them,seeing as susanoo is pure chakra,and bm is pure chakra
itachi's tsukiyomi rapes naruto whether perfect jin or notmas it takes one sec
deidara flies,which is out of reach
zetsu stays back and acts as a sensor to alert when amaterasu or tbb is about to come.


All of sasuke's and naruto's jutsu are chakra based. A GSB would kill one of them. Nagato can beat either one in a singles match. That leaves the other against the entire akatsuki.

Nagato can even deflect the tbb right back at them,or have gedo just tank it,then simply use chains to remove naruto from the match.

Naruto and sasuke get stomped hard

Dude neither gsb oor Petra can absorb back to back tbb's let alone senjutsu ones. We don't know the rate at which gsb absorbs and we do know that senjutsu turns nagato to stone. Naruto can solo under these conditions.

 

[Turson]

Naruto and Sasuke stomps. Six Paths of Pain, who is the strongest of Akatsuki (excluding Obito) is not even close to these guys.

 

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All of this told us one simple fact; Sasuke was caught in a genjutsu

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Therefore, Sasuke's not even opening a ribcage susano'o before this genjutsu battle begins, leaving him a lovely ragdoll for nagato to 2-shot[

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I hope this isn't your evidence for Sasuke being caught in Genjutsu as soon as the battle begins.

1. He went in there fighting Itachi solo, and purposely looked him in the eyes, all to show that Itachi's Genjutsu can't fool him anymore.

2. Are you really comparing a scenario where they are like 5 meters away from each other 1 on 1 to a scenario where its 2 on 9 at a 50 meters distance? lmao.

Sasuke isn't getting caught in Genjutsu the moment this match starts, not when he has 8 other people to focus on instead of Itachi and not when they are 50 m apart. This is also assuming he doesn't willingly go into the Genjutsu battle and instead breaks his Genjutsu

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As long as the Sharingan user is at a high enough proficiency level with his eyes of course.

One thing you forget with your little 'theory' about sasuke giving naruto a 'little shock' is that sasuke was left in a

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after hitting himself with his chidori. This is what happened to sasuke who's lightning affinity and could channel it through his body; What do you expect to even happen to naruto? This isn't an attack he can just tank with his BSM cloak because the chidori must channel through his entire body so, either he drops his cloak and lets Chidori paralyse him, or he tanks the chidori with his BSM cloak and get solo'd by nanobombs.
Furthermore, being left in a critical state like this, for even sasuke, gives akatsuki a massive advantage as people like pain could simply attract both of them to the group and combo them out.

Sasuke didn't end up in that state just because he used Chidori on himself. The WHOLE ENTIRE BATTLE is clearly what made him look like that, so no. Shocking Naruto and himself with Chidori Nagashi won't do anything serious, especially when he did it here and nothing

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happened.

And why would BM cloak block nanobombs? susano'o, maybe, but BM cloak? I highly doubt even susano'o can do it seeing as you breathe in this attack and I know for a fact that naruto and sasuke both breathe... And, that's not factoring in Kisame who could just GSB that cloak/susano'o down, or nagato who could drain the chakra on it, or itachi who could hit them with a tsukuyomi/genjutsu so that the cloak drops for that 1 vital second.

For them to breathe it in, it'd have to reach them, which is impossible if they are inside the cloak/Susanoo and we can see that there are no openings at all.

GSB gets dispersed by a PS Sword Shockwave or BM Naruto's roar.

If Nagato tries to drain a cloak that is made of Senjutsu Chakra he gets turned to stone, so yeah, that isn't happening either, that also assumes they let him get to the cloak, touch it, and start absorbing it, which obviously isn't going to happen.

 

[KidGamer65]

preta path absorbed a whole sage mode transformation from naruto within 5 seconds

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,overloading it is out of the question. It's only problem came when naruto started absorbing raw natural energy,which it couldnt handle. Preta path had a fraction of nagato's chakra and power as well. As long as the natural energy is balanced with naruto's own,it is not a problem. Natural energy turns to denjutsu chakra when kneaded with the user's own chakra,that is food for preta.

Hardly a full SM transformation when he had already used the bulk of his chakra on FRS, and he used a Double Rasengan, BSM Naruto has far more chakra and his attacks contain far more chakra, example? Super Bijuu Dama, a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs 5 Bijuu in size. Nagato gets turned to stone.

Not to mention the fact that a tbb can just be deflected right back at naruto and sasuke.

By nothing short of CST, which leaves him left without Deva's powers meaning he gets buttraped, they would also survive that Bijuu Dama due to the combined defenses of PS and Kurama Cloak.

Also, the blast range would cover the whole battlefield, so shooting it back at Naruto and Sasuke would mean nothing at all, he'd still die in the blast along with anyone else who can't survive.

Deidara also flies,so hitting him is kinda difficult.

A normal Bijuu Dama's blast range covers Mountains, Naruto's is much stronger and they have PS shockwaves. Hitting Deidara is child's play, even if they can't. Simply take out Nagato and take out the ones who can't do anything to them later on.

Nagato and itachi can attack from the front with gedo,while kisame fires his GSB from behind. Sasuke and naruto dont even know that GSB is chakra absorbing in nature,and will just brush it off as a normal attack.

Once PS starts being absorbed, Kurama Avatar under it can easily roar it away, all the while Sasuke can sprout extra limbs from Susanoo, so Gedo chains get cut like they did in the manga.

And being fused together makes them easy prey to the demonic chakra chains of gedo,which will end the battle right there.

They suppress Bijuu chakra unless you have proof they suppress all chakra,

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, can't tell, either way, PS cuts them off with ease.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I hope this isn't your evidence for Sasuke being caught in Genjutsu as soon as the battle begins.

1. He went in there fighting Itachi solo, and purposely looked him in the eyes, all to show that Itachi's Genjutsu can't fool him anymore.

2. Are you really comparing a scenario where they are like 5 meters away from each other 1 on 1 to a scenario where its 2 on 9 at a 50 meters distance? lmao.

Sasuke isn't getting caught in Genjutsu the moment this match starts, not when he has 8 other people to focus on instead of Itachi and not when they are 50 m apart. This is also assuming he doesn't willingly go into the Genjutsu battle and instead breaks his Genjutsu

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As long as the Sharingan user is at a high enough proficiency level with his eyes of course.

Lol I just showed you 3 battles where they were caught instantly and your rebuttal is sasuke won't look into Itachi's eyes? That won't help seeing as sasuke was blocked by

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visual blocker which can be boosted to drop the victim in a genjutsu during the chaos, as in

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or, even worse, he could use

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to implement a tsukuyomi on the unsuspecting Naruto. At which point, Perfect Jin and Sasuke won't matter during that 1 second of 3 days of torture.
Where naruto's been victim to one version, sasuke's been victim to another. Itachi's Arsenal revolves around putting the victim in some form of genjutsu, being placed in itachi's genjutsu is inevitable.

Finally, Even itachi was able to be

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in non-sharingan genjutsu, but you want me to believe sasuke can't? Please. All the sharingan does is allow you to see through genjutsu so that you can break or

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. Nothing makes you completely immune to genjutsu, it simply makes you immune to being killed by genjutsu. Seeing as sasuke's genjutsu is far inferior to itachi's, he's not breaking it easily and he's definitely not reversing it.
The 1 second sasuke/naruto is under the genjutsu is all Nagato needs to draw their lifeless bodies to him and rip out their soul. By the time they're out, their soul is already half gone with 8 other akatsuki members(+5 other paths of pain) surrounding them.

As to your scan, It's referring to the fact that the genjutsu will be broken soon after so that genjutsu, such as ones used to kill, would be ineffective against other sharingan users. As seen

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(and during the sasuke v Itachi fight), Sharingan genjutsu works perfectly fine against another sharingan until they notice they're in a genjutsu and break it.

Sasuke didn't end up in that state just because he used Chidori on himself. The WHOLE ENTIRE BATTLE is clearly what made him look like that, so no. Shocking Naruto and himself with Chidori Nagashi won't do anything serious, especially when he did it here and nothing

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happened.

The nagashi on naruto was completely different. All it did was hit naruto with a light shock. Sasuke had to channel lightning through

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in his body to deactivate every nanobomb.

You then try to claim that it was the entire battle the made sasuke look like that? Please, this is what sasuke looked like before [

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]. The guy could barely stand anymore, and couldn't even open up his CS again. i think it's pretty obvious a chidori had a massive impact on his body.

For them to breathe it in, it'd have to reach them, which is impossible if they are inside the cloak/Susanoo and we can see that there are no openings at all.

GSB gets dispersed by a PS Sword Shockwave or BM Naruto's roar.

If Nagato tries to drain a cloak that is made of Senjutsu Chakra he gets turned to stone, so yeah, that isn't happening either, that also assumes they let him get to the cloak, touch it, and start absorbing it, which obviously isn't going to happen.

Air does get in, so I don't know about the cloak blocking something on a cellular level. Sasuke's Susano'o was up, yet mei's mist was

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That's HIGHLY unlikely.

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is more powerful than a PS shockwave/kyuubi roar considering the effect it had in a dulled down state, from underwater, yet GSB wasn't dispersed, it was only stopped because kisame got hit. A simple Shinra Tensei, Susano'o, Kakuzu's Wind release can all afford kisame with some protection from the shockwave until GSB touches their chakra and it's it away, grows, and blasts them to mars.

Preta was able to absorb

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, but senjutsu infused attacks will frogify it? -_-...... Unless naruto somehow gets preta to absorb pure nature energy, what you're suggesting would never happen. The nature energy is already perfectly safe and balanced out with his chakra at the point it's in his body. You're also implying the even have a choice and that they can stop it. Deva can use banshou tenin to pull them to it so that they need to anchor themselves into the ground while Kisame tosses a GSB from front; Preta comes in from behind; Itachi's assaulting them with his Susano'o/totsuka from the left; asura, Kakuzu and sasori are blasting them from the right; while kakuzu's wind mask, konan and deidara blast them from above.

Now, tell me, Which attack exactly are they're blocking? While deva's immobilizing them;

-Either preta brings them down
-GSB brings them down
-Or C3, Shit load of explosive tags, Kakuzu''s wind, fire, raiton mask attacks, IS blasts, and itachi's susano'o attacks bring them down

 

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Lol I just showed you 3 battles where they were caught instantly and your rebuttal is sasuke won't look into Itachi's eyes? That won't help seeing as sasuke was blocked by

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visual blocker which can be boosted to drop the victim in a genjutsu during the chaos, as in

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or, even worse, he could use

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to implement a tsukuyomi on the unsuspecting Naruto. At which point, Perfect Jin and Sasuke won't matter during that 1 second of 3 days of torture.
Where naruto's been victim to one version, sasuke's been victim to another. Itachi's Arsenal revolves around putting the victim in some form of genjutsu, being placed in itachi's genjutsu is inevitable.

Again, those scenarios both started off with Naruto and Sasuke being 5-10 meters away from Itachi. We are talking about a 50 meter difference, against a team who has Sage Sensing, Chakra Sensing, and Negative Emotions Sensing on their side yet they are going to get caught in Itachi's Genjutsu the moment this match starts? From 50 meters away? Lets be serious here.

-Itachi blocking vision with his crows and then getting up close to Sasuke to land a Tsukuyomi isn't going to happen from 50 meters away, not a chance. The crows would have to cross 50 meters and then Itachi would have to cross 50 meters all before Sasuke can react properly.

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football players are 20-30 yards apart. We are talking about 56 yards of difference between Team 1 and Team 2 yet they are going to get caught in Ocular Genjutsu the moment the match starts? From this distance? When they are well aware of his Genjutsu? When 1 of them can know everyone's exact position due to his 3 advanced forms of sensing that can all be used together? Not happening. From 50 meters with 8 other people to focus on, not looking at Itachi's eyes is as simple as that.

Finally, Even itachi was able to be

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in non-sharingan genjutsu, but you want me to believe sasuke can't? Please. All the sharingan does is allow you to see through genjutsu so that you can break or

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. Nothing makes you completely immune to genjutsu, it simply makes you immune to being killed by genjutsu. Seeing as sasuke's genjutsu is far inferior to itachi's, he's not breaking it easily and he's definitely not reversing it.
The 1 second sasuke/naruto is under the genjutsu is all Nagato needs to draw their lifeless bodies to him and rip out their soul. By the time they're out, their soul is already half gone with 8 other akatsuki members(+5 other paths of pain) surrounding them.

Never said they were immune to it, just that they'll see right through it so its pointless.

Genjutsu casting ability doesn't translate into the ability to break Genjutsu, obviously the guy with the superior Dojutsu and the ability to break Tsukuyomi due to meeting all the requirements will be able to comfortably get past the rest of Itachi's vastly inferior Genjutsu.

Smh...so Nagato is going to pull them from 50 meter distance before they can break out of Itachi's Genjutsu? Unless he hits them with Tsukuyomi, which isn't happening regardless, this definitely isn't going down. Naruto would just stop them both with a chakra arm.

As to your scan, It's referring to the fact that the genjutsu will be broken soon after so that genjutsu, such as ones used to kill, would be ineffective against other sharingan users. As seen

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(and during the sasuke v Itachi fight), Sharingan genjutsu works perfectly fine against another sharingan until they notice they're in a genjutsu and break it.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to, though they'll realize they are in immediately since it won't fool them to begin with, meaning breaking it will occur immediately and simply.

The nagashi on naruto was completely different. All it did was hit naruto with a light shock. Sasuke had to channel lightning through

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in his body to deactivate every nanobomb.

You then try to claim that it was the entire battle the made sasuke look like that? Please, this is what sasuke looked like before [

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]. The guy could barely stand anymore, and couldn't even open up his CS again. i think it's pretty obvious a chidori had a massive impact on his body.

Ok, you're right. Chidori did do that to him. Though you mentioned Naruto having to drop the BSM cloak to receive a shock from Chidori, why would that be necessary? The human BM cloak that Naruto wears isn't going to let him straight up tank Chidori, nor did Sasuke have to pierce himself to deal the electrical shock to his body, so even if it was, the electricity would travel through Naruto's body regardless, and Kurama's chakra

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, so this is something they should be able to get through.

Air does get in, so I don't know about the cloak blocking something on a cellular level. Sasuke's Susano'o was up, yet mei's mist was

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Actually it only got through the moment Sasuke tried to level up to a Skeletal Susanoo and failed, if it was getting through the whole entire time then Sasuke would have started to melt before and would have continued to melt afterward. It seems that Susanoo oddly filters out everything the user doesn't want to be inside...why? I have no clue. But that's what it seems like.

Also, air is less tangible than the nano bombs since they still have a physical form despite being micro sized while air doesn't.

That's HIGHLY unlikely.

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is more powerful than a PS shockwave/kyuubi roar considering the effect it had in a dulled down state, from underwater, yet GSB wasn't dispersed, it was only stopped because kisame got hit. A simple Shinra Tensei, Susano'o, Kakuzu's Wind release can all afford kisame with some protection from the shockwave until GSB touches their chakra and it's it away, grows, and blasts them to mars.

What? Hirudora isn't anywhere near a shockwave that can cut Mountains, also, what do you mean it wasn't dispersed? It clearly was, you can't say it wasn't dispersed because Kisame needed to be hit first because it only exploded once it was inside the GSB, meaning the explosion is what took it out and defeated Kisame.

A simple Shinra Tensei isn't producing enough force to stop a shockwave that travels hundreds of meters and still cuts Mountains.

Wind Release? I hope you are joking. Kakuzu weak in comparison Fuuton isn't going to phase a shockwave that cuts Mountains nor is it going to phase a roar that tosses back 5 full transformed Bijuu.

If Itachi jumps in front of the shockwave to block with his Susanoo, then:

1. Sasuke swings his blade again and cuts right through Susanoo with the second one thus destroying GSB.

2. GSB would have to plow right through him, thus killing him, to get to PS Kurama in order to absorb it, cause he'd have to be in the line of fire between PS Kurama and GSB to block the shockwave from PS Kurama.

A roar tosses back 5 Bijuu, a giant shark missile made of pure water is clearly going to be dissipated by this roar.

Preta was able to absorb

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, but senjutsu infused attacks will frogify it? -_-...... Unless naruto somehow gets preta to absorb pure nature energy, what you're suggesting would never happen. The nature energy is already perfectly safe and balanced out with his chakra at the point it's in his body. You're also implying the even have a choice and that they can stop it. Deva can use banshou tenin to pull them to it so that they need to anchor themselves into the ground while Kisame tosses a GSB from front; Preta comes in from behind; Itachi's assaulting them with his Susano'o/totsuka from the left; asura, Kakuzu and sasori are blasting them from the right; while kakuzu's wind mask, konan and deidara blast them from above.

Like I told Genii, Naruto had used 1 FRS and a Double Rasengan before he was caught and had the remainder of his Senjutsu Chakra sucked out, what makes you think he sucked up Naruto's Senjutsu chakra at its full amount when 2 FRS used up all his Senjutsu chakra back then, and he had used 1 plus another jutsu? lmao.

Like I also told Genii, Preta absorbs chakra. Its a chakra absorption jutsu, meaning it doesn't and can't absorb pure Nature Energy as it absorbs chakra. Not to mention a Sage doesn't contain pure Nature Energy, he takes it in and it balances with his chakra and forms Senjutsu chakra, which is what Preta Path absorbed from Naruto, not pure Nature Energy. Only a Sage can take that in.

Now, tell me, Which attack exactly are they're blocking? While deva's immobilizing them;

Deva pushes and pulls, it doesn't immobilize.

-Either preta brings them down

If Nagato wants to become a toad let him try it.

-GSB brings them down

PS Sword Shockwave or a BM roar handles that.

-Or C3, Shit load of explosive tags, Kakuzu''s wind, fire, raiton mask attacks, IS blasts, and itachi's susano'o attacks bring them down

Rofl, no.

Not only is everything you listed inferior to

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, which PS tanked with no damage. This is PS armored onto the BM Avatar, which also blocked Juubidama with its tails, so any of this taken them down is a laughable attack, especially since none of this would even put a dent in Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Strict]

Akatsuki dick riders have to understand that Sasuke's PS sword fodderized Juubito's planet buster sword. Prove that Sasuke can't bust the earth with scans or gtfo.

 

[Turson]

I dont understand, why people talk about Nagato when hes not even part of this? :erm:

 

[Optimistic]

Actually Naruto and Sasuke can take this.