EMS Sasuke and Mu vs EMS Madara

[Apêx1]

I have no idea what @Bold means.

There's the activation of the Sharingan from the base eye and then there's a further activation in order to perceive chakra. It's rather simple.

Then why post a scan of chakra exposed behind them to support your point?

Yet there was no chakra behind the things that he was seeing through following the single chakra presence there [

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]. By your logic he should ONLY see as far as the first non-chakra based thing and see the immediate chakra behind it, but he saw through all the non-chakra based substances further behind. It destroys your theory.

Xray = Chakra vision. It's the same-thing as how Sharingan gives off chakra flow. If it doesnt give off chakra flow then they can't have xray priorities.

Yes, but how does that mean that it only works when there's chakra? If he activates his chakra vision then he'd see with the X-Ray 'chakra' vision regardless of chakra substances being present.

The scans you showed me so far because chakra was exposed. If it has any better insight of x ray then Kakashi should of seen Zabuza through his Mist[

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Your argument falls apart because the X-Ray vision is as you say, the Chakra vision. But given that's the case even if he ignores light he's not ignoring chakra, so the chakra blinds him regardless since it's everywhere around him. If it was a Mist without chakra then the Sharingan would have no problem seeing. I don't know why you act like I'm saying it's a different type of vision, I clearly said: "the Sharingan must be activated further to see chakra." But if no chakra is present, does that mean it cannot be further activated? No, but he does still get the benefits of the X-Ray vision.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

There's the activation of the Sharingan from the base eye and then there's a further activation in order to perceive chakra. It's rather simple.

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Yet there was no chakra behind the things that he was seeing through following the single chakra presence there [

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]. By your logic he should ONLY see as far as the first non-chakra based thing and see the immediate chakra behind it, but he saw through all the non-chakra based substances further behind. It destroys your theory.

Um no, Sasuke did not x ray further behind. Otherwise the stalagmite would have seen other stalagmites from behind. Even the closet ones to snake wouldn't show it being overshadowed and behind when all of it should of been pass its x rays[

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](double take/look that to your original scan for compassion).



And this is a way better view then this nick picking of yours[

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Yes, but how does that mean that it only works when there's chakra? If he activates his chakra vision then he'd see with the X-Ray 'chakra' vision regardless of chakra substances being present.

The question is answer once you understand that it doesn't work when chakra isn't exposed.

Your argument falls apart because the X-Ray vision is as you say, the Chakra vision. But given that's the case even if he ignores light he's not ignoring chakra, so the chakra blinds him regardless since it's everywhere around him. If it was a Mist without chakra then the Sharingan would have no problem seeing. I don't know why you act like I'm saying it's a different type of vision, I clearly said: "the Sharingan must be activated further to see chakra." But if no chakra is present, does that mean it cannot be further activated? No, but he does still get the benefits of the X-Ray vision.

How the hell does this mean my argument falls? I'm not bothering with anything else until you can prove it doesnt need chakra to X ray locations.

 

[Manda II]

Here's what I think. Sasuke and Mu have a chance. Sasuke will start by activating his legged V4 Susano'o also allowing Mu to stand inside the structure. Susano'o users have shown the ability to allow other people inside the construct. Mu can lighten V4 to the point where the overall structure is able to fly similar to how Ohnoki made Genbu float. From this point, the V4 will fly out of Madara's V4 reach, while Mu starts prepping his laser Jinton inside Susano'o, protected by Madara's long range Katon, Yasaka Magatama which could disrupt the charge if not for Sasuke providing a defence here. Once the laser is charged, Mu shoots it through Sasuke's Susano'o similar to

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. This will damage the front of Sasuke's Susano'o, but it doesn't matter because the laser will plow right through it and destroy Madara along with his V4.

 

[Apêx1]

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Um no, Sasuke did not x ray further behind. Otherwise the stalagmite would have seen other stalagmites from behind. Even the closet ones to snake wouldn't show it being overshadowed and behind when all of it should of been pass its x rays[

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](double take/look that to your original scan for compassion).


And this is a way better view then this nick picking of yours[

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The question is answer once you understand that it doesn't work when chakra isn't exposed.

How the hell does this mean my argument falls? I'm not bothering with anything else until you can prove it doesnt need chakra to X ray locations.

Actually I totally misread that. The only evidence that I can think of right now is this

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, and if you can counter this with actual reason I'll concede. And your previous counter doesn't hold because we can see it from Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke is seeing these bombs as the actual bombs rather then chakra, so how would he still be seeing them if it's purely 'chakra vision'?

 

[Haizaki]

1. Sharingan cannot see Mu. It sees Chakra and Mu erases his chakra...Pretty simple concept.

2. Byakugan should be able to see Mu considering it's insight(Not 100% sure) but it can definitely detect Mu. It has a range and can sense whatever comes within that range.

OP: Madara doesn't have the Kyuubi, he looses here. Sasuke's Susanoo isn't far from his considering they have comparable chakra. Mu goes invisible and takes flight while Sasuke holds Madara for a little while. The second Jinton is prepared, Madara dies due to being distracted by Sasuke.

 

[DrProof]

I don't think Sharingan can see Mu. It's like the Hidden Mist Jutsu, Sharingan wasn't able to see Zabuza. Right?

 

[Haizaki]

I don't think Sharingan can see Mu. It's like the Hidden Mist Jutsu, Sharingan wasn't able to see Zabuza. Right?

Correct it can't see Mu but the Hidden Mist chakra is different because it contains the user's chakra. Meaning the Sharingan would be seeing existing chakra clouding its vision already preventing it from detecting the user.

 

[DrProof]

Correct it can't see Mu but the Hidden Mist chakra is different because it contains the user's chakra. Meaning the Sharingan would be seeing existing chakra clouding its vision already preventing it from detecting the user.

Yup that's what I thought. I'm still mad rusty @ the Naruto fam. Ayy PM me, I want to ask you something

 

[Haizaki]

Yup that's what I thought. I'm still mad rusty @ the Naruto fam. Ayy PM me, I want to ask you something

Aii Aii bro!

 

[ARGUS]

1. Sharingan cannot see Mu. It sees Chakra and Mu erases his chakra...Pretty simple concept.

2. Byakugan should be able to see Mu considering it's insight(Not 100% sure) but it can definitely detect Mu. It has a range and can sense whatever comes within that range.

OP: Madara doesn't have the Kyuubi, he looses here. Sasuke's Susanoo isn't far from his considering they have comparable chakra. Mu goes invisible and takes flight while Sasuke holds Madara for a little while. The second Jinton is prepared, Madara dies due to being distracted by Sasuke.

Bruhh

Sasukes V4 susanoo

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Madaras V4

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madaras susanoo shits on sasukes, and the difference between the two seems pretty clear, and hes not distracting madara before he stops muu from forming jinton through either katons or YM

madaras PS is far above sasukes, and his V4 seems far above sasukes too, so its reasonable to say that all of his susanoo variants are above sasukes,

 

[Haizaki]

Bruhh

Sasukes V4 susanoo

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Madaras V4

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madaras susanoo shits on sasukes, and the difference between the two seems pretty clear, and hes not distracting madara before he stops muu from forming jinton through either katons or YM

madaras PS is far above sasukes, and his V4 seems far above sasukes too, so its reasonable to say that all of his susanoo variants are above sasukes,

I agree but I only said that because Susanoo is a manifestation of the user chakara and Sasuke's reminded the Kyuubi of Madara's chakra from what I remember

 

[ARGUS]

I agree but I only said that because Susanoo is a manifestation of the user chakara and Sasuke's reminded the Kyuubi of Madara's chakra from what I remember

yeah that could very well be related to the whole indra reincarnation,

susanoos strength is directly based on the strength of the users chakra, and since madaras susanoo is well above sasukes,
then so his chakra strength

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually I totally misread that. The only evidence that I can think of right now is this

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, and if you can counter this with actual reason I'll concede. And your previous counter doesn't hold because we can see it from Sasuke's eyes and Sasuke is seeing these bombs as the actual bombs rather then chakra, so how would he still be seeing them if it's purely 'chakra vision'?

@Bold: Apex I never made a statement that it work by absolute. Meaning, "it only sees chakra and not physical appearance". Its clear that because Sharingan can give our color chakra, it can give out hidden details of physical appearance. Thats why Deidara questioned Sasuke on how he was able to see land mines underground. It gave out it chakra for Sasuke to see physically. Also, remember Sasuke had no idea what C4 was at first. The first time, long distance, it just looked like chakra clouds to him. Second time, up close and personal, he has better detail on what it appears to looks like. So even then seeing chakra is based on the Sharingan's vision LoS. It can just look like chakra from the distance, but closer gives better detail, just like normal eyes attempting to see things from afar.

Now what happens when chakra is blocks/erased/hidden? The Sharingan isnt giving out its color chakra

 

[Apêx1]

@Bold: Apex I never made a statement that it work by absolute. Meaning, "it only sees chakra and not physical appearance". Its clear that because Sharingan can give our color chakra, it can give out hidden details of physical appearance. Thats why Deidara questioned Sasuke on how he was able to see land mines underground. It gave out it chakra for Sasuke to see physically. Also, remember Sasuke had no idea what C4 was at first. The first time, long distance, it just looked like chakra clouds to him. Second time, up close and personal, he has better detail on what it appears to looks like. So even then seeing chakra is based on the Sharingan's vision LoS. It can just look like chakra from the distance, but closer gives better detail, just like normal eyes attempting to see things from afar.

Now what happens when chakra is blocks/erased/hidden? The Sharingan isnt giving out its color chakra

That's a cool story, now how about you actually counter Sasuke seeing the C4 as clay rather then chakra?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That's a cool story, now how about you actually counter Sasuke seeing the C4 as clay rather then chakra?

You didnt read:

"Also, remember Sasuke had no idea what C4 was at first. The first time, long distance, it just looked like chakra clouds to him. Second time, up close and personal, he has better detail on what it appears to looks like."

There's no other way Sharingan gives off a different vision other then what has been explain:

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If this doesn't get to your head, then Im not gonna even bother.

 

[Apêx1]

You didnt read:

"Also, remember Sasuke had no idea what C4 was at first. The first time, long distance, it just looked like chakra clouds to him. Second time, up close and personal, he has better detail on what it appears to looks like."

I'm not sure what this is supposed to suggest though? He saw it as a colored cloud because regardless of how small something is if it's glowing blue in the air then it'll obviously be seen. We clearly saw that the cloud was a different color even though these bombs would be white

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(note it's a colored cloud). He didn't zoom in on the C4 to see what those colored 'dots' were. The second time C4 was used he zoomed in with his eye's X-Ray vision to see what they were. He wasn't seeing them as chakra, he was seeing them as white clay.

There's no other way Sharingan gives off a different vision other then what has been explain:

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If this doesn't get to your head, then Im not gonna even bother.

I'm actually rather confused on how his eye works right now given we're seeing these things from HIS eyes perspective, but if he's not seeing them as chakra then however he's doing it, it should still work against Mu. The context of that claim is also different then what you are implying. Deidara asks how he figured out where the mines were. It's not singular, but plural. Yet we see Sasuke only looking at one bomb there, so that could've been him using his 'x-ray' vision rather then his 'chakra vision' (however that works).

 

[BLAZE]

About Sharingan seeing Mu or not didn't Sasuke state to Diedara his Sharingan can see his invisible bombs

 

[Beans2]

Here's what I think. Sasuke and Mu have a chance. Sasuke will start by activating his legged V4 Susano'o also allowing Mu to stand inside the structure. Susano'o users have shown the ability to allow other people inside the construct. Mu can lighten V4 to the point where the overall structure is able to fly similar to how Ohnoki made Genbu float. From this point, the V4 will fly out of Madara's V4 reach, while Mu starts prepping his laser Jinton inside Susano'o, protected by Madara's long range Katon, Yasaka Magatama which could disrupt the charge if not for Sasuke providing a defence here. Once the laser is charged, Mu shoots it through Sasuke's Susano'o similar to

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. This will damage the front of Sasuke's Susano'o, but it doesn't matter because the laser will plow right through it and destroy Madara along with his V4.

This strategy would work, but Madara can release Susanoo and outright dodge Jinton with shunshin.

 

[TRE MERCER]

sasuke is a non factor as his best move is the same as madaras, but far inferior. And if ever becomes visible madara smokes him.

bruhhhhhhhhhhhh.​

 

[ARGUS]

About Sharingan seeing Mu or not didn't Sasuke state to Diedara his Sharingan can see his invisible bombs

They weren't invisible they were microscopic, only invisible to the naked eye
The bombs still had chakra on it and sharingans chakra detecting abilities just allowed it to see as a cloud of smoke

Muu hides his chakra altogether, it will almost be like its not even there,