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EMS-Rinnegan Madara vs. EMS-Rinnegan Sasuke
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fake rinnegan doesn't have any kind of rikudo chakra, that's what makes them fake. the real rinngean's possess Hagoromo's chakra while the fake ones don't, there is also the reason why gedo mazo can't be summoned with the fake rinnegans. Alive Madara has Hagoromo's rikudo chakra -
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, what you don't realise is when Madara was revived his chakra potency inside his body was at minimum due to not possessing his rinnegans (an original real rinnegan). You say "alive Madara isn't all that much stronger" even though non serious revived Madara did all that to the point of becoming JJ and still was not at full power.
Manga blatantly showed Sasuke trying to kill a non serious JJ Madara with the aid of Naruto in which he failed every time and you say "compete" even though Naruto was there. You think Sasuke got stronger even though he couldn't put Shin down with a single attack. I know Sasuke was weakened but the point is even in a weakened state the whole shin army should have been completely taken down/immobilsed by Sasuke with ease.
you tell me "whatever floats your boat" even though everything i posted was through manga yet you're the one denying the facts, well, you asked me before if I believed what I wrote but i'll tell you "it's not about if i believe it or not but just what manga showed because opinions have no place when discussing about manga facts".
Manga showed Obito being the juubi's jinchuriki,
Manga showed Obito possessing six paths sage mode/senjutsu,
Manga showed Obito possessing the rinnegan,
Manga showed Obito fearing the true powers of the rinnegan even with him having it all, he stated the power Madara's chakra and rinnegan's hold would make him unbeatable.
so no, it's not me denying anything but you, you can disprove what i've written but until then.
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I never downplaying Madara here. Just found your post logic had errors.
0 -You said Obito had a problem to control one Rinnegan and let alone two even though he had body upgrade but Nagato never had such an upgrade but still can handle both like nothing just by being an Uzumaki and no Six Path chakra nor Hashi's Cells.
Where can we put Obito's statement here? Contradiction by author?
1 -From my understanding, this thread was about Rinnegan Madara with EMS mean one Rinnegan and one EMS and not JJ Madara.
JJ Madara have a chance to beat EMS+Rinnegan Sasuke but with a difficulty. Juubi sure will help him a lot in arsenal and chakra department compare to Sasuke. But not in this thread.
2 -Juubi sure gave Madara a boast in chakra to able him to created many rain drops CT. He also need to have both Rinnegan to create CT. But here he just got one Rinnegan.
3 -He can make PS bcus he had EMS but I made a theory before stating Madara still able to make PS with double Rinnegan. Sasuke also can used PS
4 -His Rinnegan if in pair boasting his doujutsu power further. From one Limbo to four Limbos.
5 -We never know exactly how many Limbo clone non-JJ dual Rinnegan Madara can create.
Maybe 4 or 2 but if Juubi chakra had nothing to do with both rinnegan adding Limbo clone count mean its all about Rinnegan factor and not Juubi factor.
But here it was EMS+Single Rinnegan Madara mean 1 limbo only.
6 -Limbo clone had a time limit on how long it can exist out of Madara. If we use Boruto manga feats Sasuke can created clones also to deal with Limbo and Original Madara. So is Madara here.
7 -Rinn Sharingan can be awaken only when Madara had a Juubi inside him and not bcus of his Double Rinnegan. BZ crafted new tablet to fooling Madara into believing it actually the truth. There exist hidden meaning behind that scene.
Tablet forcing Madara to get closer to the moon bcus to cast IT on the moon surface, Rinn Sharingan need to be place at certain high.
Shinju already proved this.
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a. The reason Madara need to fly very high can be found inside that pictures.
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b. "According to what was written on the stone monument, When people possessing the power of Rinne get closer to the moon...third eye will open up"
If you study further the meaning of it, that line of words not actually describing how to get Rinn Sharingan. But it actually telling the readers that Madara following tablet instruction on how to cast IT and at the same time make Madara believe what he did was true and had no consequences behind it/hidden from his awareness.
The situation of Madara is similar to Shinju tree where both need to place Rinn Sharingan at the higher place inside the zone of IT casting
8 -But Rinnegan Sasuke have speed advantages over Madara and it play a crucial factor in Sasuke winning this battle plus Sasuke maturity in technical battle comparable to Madara.
9 -Sasuke mastery over Rinnegan in short time was above what Madara had shown in his life time with Rinnegan. And now Sasuke had matured enough, his skill in utilizing Rinnegan and EMS plus other skill surpassing Madara. Even he show that when facing with JJ Madara and make the Jin lost many words to describe.
I'm a fan of Madara and support/defend him many times especially when people put him as a Juubi Jin against both Naruto and Sasuke. But I will not blind my mind by favoritism over reality.
If this was a JJ Madara vs JJ Sasuke, still Sasuke got this as he show better feats compare to JJ Madara.
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Sasuke. Sasuke can give JJ Madara some serious trouble, wihout being a JJ in this fight, Sasuke rapes him.
LMAO at people who say being a JJ doesn't boost his ability lol
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I'm quite certain Madara in this scenario has two Rinnegan. I think the title was only made in such a way because some people believe he can't switch between it and the Sharingan.
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Can't really bother reading through pages of troll responses from the Sasuke supporters.
This has been done to death. The Sasuke side produces no evidence as usual while complaining about which panels should and should not count.
Sasuke's PS produces mountain level destruction per slash, just like Madara's.
The only thing separating their PS is Sasuke's PS Chidori which is above a PS slash, which is all Madara's PS has shown.
Madara is still stated to be the strongest Uchiha is databook 4 though, which goes all the way up to the Kaguya arc.
They should be about equal. Offensively used Amenotejikara without any diversion failed against Kinshiki, with Sasuke only cutting off a horn, so that isn't a game ender.
Kinshiki was dodged, parried and lured into position by Chojuro so Kurotsuchi could hit him.
Kinshiki was dodged by all the Kage with ease when he rushed at full speed to save Momoshiki.
Chidori variants fail against Uchiha Reflection.
Sasuke possesses no countermeasure to quad Limbo in cqc while Amenotejikara failed against someone vastly inferior to Madara when Sasuke was not aided and a diversion was not used.
If we are going by feats exclusively, Sasuke takes the cake during a PS battle due to PS Chidori and that would net him a win since Madara's PS would get worn down quicker, giving Sasuke more opportunity to kill a PSless Madara.
Going by portrayal, Madara is stated to be the strongest Uchiha, so if this were to be written by Kishimoto, Madara would come out on top.
This has been done to death. The Sasuke side produces no evidence as usual while complaining about which panels should and should not count.
Sasuke's PS produces mountain level destruction per slash, just like Madara's.
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The only thing separating their PS is Sasuke's PS Chidori which is above a PS slash, which is all Madara's PS has shown.
Madara is still stated to be the strongest Uchiha is databook 4 though, which goes all the way up to the Kaguya arc.
They should be about equal. Offensively used Amenotejikara without any diversion failed against Kinshiki, with Sasuke only cutting off a horn, so that isn't a game ender.
Kinshiki was dodged, parried and lured into position by Chojuro so Kurotsuchi could hit him.
Kinshiki was dodged by all the Kage with ease when he rushed at full speed to save Momoshiki.
Chidori variants fail against Uchiha Reflection.
Sasuke possesses no countermeasure to quad Limbo in cqc while Amenotejikara failed against someone vastly inferior to Madara when Sasuke was not aided and a diversion was not used.
If we are going by feats exclusively, Sasuke takes the cake during a PS battle due to PS Chidori and that would net him a win since Madara's PS would get worn down quicker, giving Sasuke more opportunity to kill a PSless Madara.
Going by portrayal, Madara is stated to be the strongest Uchiha, so if this were to be written by Kishimoto, Madara would come out on top.
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Rinnegan Human puppet, i should have guessed it was you considering how far up madaras ass your head always is. now lets end this
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kaguya reacted by switching dimensions before sasuke and narutos attack connected so she wasnt blized whereas madara could only switch with limbo after getting bodied by both attacks so thats the difference you stupid clown.
this should be my last
repeating the same shit is not going to make any valid. i can accept the sword stab but theres no excuse for
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. his face bottom right indicated he was completely clueless of what happened and there was no reaction on his part=he was blitzed. he only reacted after he was hit and not before. ive looked at the scan and cant see any smile but drop this as ive already mentioned that i wasnt referring to that part.
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addressed and the bold is funny considering the shit you are spewing.
kaguya reacted by switching dimensions before sasuke and narutos attack connected so she wasnt blized whereas madara could only switch with limbo after getting bodied by both attacks so thats the difference you stupid clown.
fine then, ill drop this.
like i stated before madara already said he wont allow himself
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. madaras words>>>you. not using limbo=/=getting hit on purpose.if you looked carefully naruto put up his guard but was still smcaked away due to the force of the punch
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no different to jj madara guarding against base rsm narutos shunshin punch with tsb but was still pushed away due to the attack force
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. a blitz happens when there is no reaction whatsoever on the part of the attacked, at least from my understanding. says the madara wanker. now run along
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didn't mean for the late reply, was busy.
0) Nagato doesn't need the upgrade because Madara made sure Nagato could handle them when he implanted the rinnegans himself,
now a simple task that could have been completed by any zetsu but instead Madara himself impanted them into Nagato, so why would Madara implant the rinnegans into Nagato himself if it was a simple implantation?
Madara made sure Nagato would be capable of handling the rinnegan until he returns.
Scan below, Madara transpalnated the rinnegan into nagato himself
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Nagato's role was pretty much to show the rinnegan's capabilities(six paths), if Nagato couldn't control the rinnegan at
that point, how would you know what the rinnegan could do? you wouldn't know, so before Madara's revival came who's rinnegan were in Nagato's possession, Kishimoto had to show a fraction of the rinnegans capabilities through Nagato, even Obito didn't show any adverse effects when using the rinnegan but when the time came for the rinnegan to return to the original, Obito had to disclose the true power of the rinnegan and Madara's chakra.
Madara's rinnegan possesses Hagoromo's chakra and are exactly the same as Hagoromo's and when it came to show the true power Obito was a key point as he had all forms of different types of powers: juubi's Rikudo chakra and Rikudo senjutsu, Madara's chakra and rinnegan.
So using Nagato to downplay Madara doesn't mean much as Madara made sure Nagato could handle the rinnegans also the most recent Mangafact makes the previous one void.
1) well,no. when someone say's rinnegan Madara it would be dual rinnegan instead of 1 rinnegan as Madara's power would be incomplete and if this was 1 rinnegan Madara then that was my misunderstanding but my point still stands.
You say "JJ Madara have a chance to beat EMS+Rinnegan Sasuke but with a difficulty.", lol, now i wonder what manga have you been reading. Sasuke can't do anything to Madara who's power far exceeds a JJ, so no, this is your assumption and an excuse to make Madara seem weaker, while Manga and databook shows Sasuke to be inferior to 1R JJ Madara and !R JJ Madara is inferior to DR Madara which is a mangafact and databook fact.
2) Juubi does give a boost in chakra reserves and techs like Juubi dama, etc, but compared to Madara's rinnegan and chakra power it's nothing special and Obito knows this. what? The juubi vast chakra had nothing to do with Madara creating raindrop ct's, creating huge ct raindrops was Madara's rinnegans power,
Madara already has huge amounts of chakra...
Indra's completely tranmigrated chakra, Hagoromo's chakra (indra and Ashura chakra), and Ashura/Hashirama's chakra.
Madara can create ct's already using the rinnegan's power, so why would he need the juubi to crush sasuke? again Sasuke doesn't compare.
Hagoromo states Madara brought out his chakra by combining indra's with a part of Ashura's which brought out his Chakra(Hagoromo's Rikudo chakra), ---
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Hagoromo states Madara has indra and Ashura's chakra inside his body(Hagoromo's rikudo chakra versions).
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Hagoromo states Indra's transmigration is over, which means unlike ems Madara after awakening Hagoromo's rikudo chakra, Indra's power was completely transmigrated into Madara(chakra amount and chakra power). --
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Madara's also has Hashirama's chakra from the implanted cells.
Hashirama's states Madara regains his past powers - Indra's chakra and chakra power,-
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Another assumption and downplay, Madara can use the six paths abilities/create ct's with 1 rinnegan, he doesn't need both rinnegans for that,
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Above scan, Gai states "I guess he's not going to do something as stupid as to waste his chakra to make them use pain's jutsu, since we already know how to counter them"
Kakashi states "perfectly controlling 7 bijuu with just his eye's must require a lot of chakra after all."
and Obito agrees by saying "kakashi Hatake you're smart. you have good eye's."
so yes, Madara can use the six paths techniques/create ct's with 1 eye.
3) why wouldn't Madara be able to use PS even with rinnegan? are you thinking Madara can't use rinnegan and sharingan together? if so, you are wrong, Madara sees through Naruto's clone with the rinnegan active and uses susanoo with the rinnegan active.
below scan, Madara sees through Naruto clone with the rinnegan active...
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- using sharingan through rinnegan.Below scan, Madara uses susanoo with the rinnegan active...
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- using two doujutsu's together.Susanoo(all forms) is a MS ability not an EMS ability and only Madara can use without eyes.
so how does it matter if Sasuke can use PS? Madara EMS susanoo far exceeds Sasuke's EMS susanoo and same applies to rinnegan forms, Madara rinnegan Susanoo far exceeds Sasuke's rinnegan susanoo. Madara chakra and eye power exceeds juubi by far and Sasuke susanoo became stronger by pouring juubi's chakra into it.
4) yes, correct. one of Madara's rinnegan possess greater power than the juubi, when Madara possesses both rinnegans they become far stronger.
5) so you're just going to disregard the databook and manga when Madara is concerned, Madara could create more limbo's because he obtained both rinnegan eyes(databook and manga confirm this), it wasn't even implied the juubi had anything to do with it.
no, it's ems+rinnegan sasuke vs ems+rinnegan Madara (Madara can use rinnegan and sharingan together).
6) Madara limbo only has a time limit while possessing 1 rinnegan, he has no time limit when gaining both eyes.
He could already make clones even before the Boruto movie but didn't use them because he can't harm the
limbo clones and Sasuke clones are inferior to Naruto RSM clones, he always called Naruto to deal with them knowing he can't harm them and only Naruto has that ability, mangafact.
Doesn't matter if it's was 1R Madara, Sasuke can't even harm limbo, manga has shown time and time again the fear limbo put into Sasuke. he always called Naruto to deal with them, when he was proven wrong about rikudo chakra being the reason to harming limbo when actually it was RSM (TSB), Manga fact. So how is Sasuke going to deal with them when he can't even cause damage to them, the limbo replicates Madara's abilites, the limbo would create more limbo's and use wood release, Katons, Ct's, multiple PS, meteor Jutsu, all nature based jutsu's, yin and yang release, shadow clones - wood clones all using techs and creating more limbo's, etc. (there was a lot more).
I know you're going to say Limbo can't use Madara's Abilities and can only use taijutsu because in the Manga Limbo's never did, i know people use this as downplay material, even though the Databook confirms they can use Madara's abilities with equal power and skill - equal ability. so again Sasuke is vastly out classed by Madara and always will be.
7) so again you chose to downplay and choose to be illogical, anyway, you don't make sense here and begin assuming things, BZ wants Madara to obtain rinne sharingan (kaguya's power), so why would he lie about the awakening of the rinnesharigan
when that's what he wants Madara to do and according to manga Madara did exactly that. so saying the juubi is needed is just your assumption that's it, nothing more. when the databook and Manga both confirm Madara's rinnegan being the key to awakening the original power, it seems you don't want Madara to have such power and start making excuses and say "there exist hidden meaning behind that scene". This is just another way to downplay Madara's rinnegans power, that's all.
8) So now Sasuke is faster than Madara, lol, Sasuke is weaker than non serious JJ Madara who is far weaker in almost all aspects to dual rinnegan Madara. Seriously, what maturity? Sasuke was being played by the shins and his technical battle comparable to Madara, lol, Madara has been a fighter all his life and Sasuke is just a child compared to him (manga has shown this multiple times).
9) what lifetime? Madara awakened the rinnegan in his old age after his natural life had ended, so tell me how is Madara going to use the rinnegan when he gave them to Nagato? Again what skill? him getting played by the shins, Edo Madara used all the things he did with such mastery, like bringing down meteors from space (using sharingan with rinnegan), using wood dragon on Hashirama's level, wood forest, etc. these are techniques Madara used for the first time.
You think Sasuke skill is above Madara? you keep believing that, lol.
when Madara awakened the rinnesharingan he used the Kekkei mora wood release and manipulated the wood release to capture all life forms on the planet and used the strongest genjutsu (I.T), he did all that 2 seconds after awakening the rinne sharingan while Sasuke had to get used to the rinnegan. Madara knew almost everything about the rinnegan when he awakened the eyes.
Below scan, Sasuke states he needed to get used to the rinnegan.
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so again, Sasuke needed to get used to the rinnegan to use it effieciently while upon awakening the rinnegan(summon the GM and connect it to himself and knew it's abilities) and Rinnesharingan(cast I.T and wood release covering the whole planet, directly after awakening the eye), so you're talking about mastery when Madara's level of mastery is above what Sasuke could hope to reach.
you continuously downplay Madara and on top of that say "I will not blind my mind by favoritism over reality." and you did exactly this for Sasuke, the hypocrisy. You twist manga meterial to further downplay Madara.
No, this would always remain in Madara favour, as possessing both rinnegans he has the true power of Hagoromo . (databook fact).
Again, the juubi doesn't make his eye power stronger.
Madara's dual rinnegan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Madara's single rinnegan>>>>>Juubi>>>>>>>Sasuke rinnegan
you only have assumptions and excuses to go on, next time you should use manga rather than twisting them to suit your argument.
this is most likely my last post since you can't stop downplaying Madara.
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The most important techniques in Sasuke's disposal are: Amenotejikara and Perfect Susanoo, both of which Madara can counter with ease.
1). Amenotejikara - Madara counters this using his sensory powers and defence (Deva, Susanoo or Limbo), as he, Naruto and Kaguya have all done it. There is a time of seconds after Sasuke teleports and before he strikes, and Madara can defend in that. Madara was shown reflexes against Naruto and Gai, both whom strike faster than Sasuke.
2). Perfect Susanoo - Both of their PS are equal as far as fire-power and durability concerned. Sasuke's fans use the Chibaku Tensei feat to display that Sasuke's PS is superior in fire-power, but they are being dishonest about it to satisfy themselves. I think each of their PS will cancel each other.
Madara will win.
1). Amenotejikara - Madara counters this using his sensory powers and defence (Deva, Susanoo or Limbo), as he, Naruto and Kaguya have all done it. There is a time of seconds after Sasuke teleports and before he strikes, and Madara can defend in that. Madara was shown reflexes against Naruto and Gai, both whom strike faster than Sasuke.
2). Perfect Susanoo - Both of their PS are equal as far as fire-power and durability concerned. Sasuke's fans use the Chibaku Tensei feat to display that Sasuke's PS is superior in fire-power, but they are being dishonest about it to satisfy themselves. I think each of their PS will cancel each other.
Madara will win.