EMS Obito matchups

[DemonicAvenger]

This is basically DMS Obito without Rikudo chakra but can use PS and Kamui Shruiken

Fully rested and healed after each round

And out of personal preference, "sits in Kamui and outlasts" is counted as fleeing/forfeiting. If you use an outlast argument, it's has to pertain to him actually engaging (I can give my reasoning for this if anyone wants)


Rounds arnt in order of strength, which do you believe he wins/loses

1. EMS Sasuke (post Juubito fight)
2. EMS Sasuke (mid Juubito fight, with Kurama chakra cloak and Juugo)
3. Base Hashirama
4. SM Hashirama
5. EMS Madara w/ Kyuubi
6. Edo Madara
7. 1R SM Madara
8. Edo Minato
9. BM Naruto
10. BSM Naruto

Manga intel and neutral location in all rounds

 

[Greysama]

Literally all of them kamui>any combination of attacks anyone has

 

[Eng nawashi]

The only debatable matches is SM Hashirama and BM Minato since obito can't rip their avatars off with kamui snipe due to the former's size and the latter's teleportation ability .a part from that ,any avatar in this gauntlet gets ripped off by kamui snipe then the user gets killed with obito's PS slash .TTB gets warped away with kamui shrukins or gets phased through .

If the Intel is set to manga ,does that mean Madra ,Hashirama and Minato don't know about Kamui shrukins?does that mean Hashirama doesn't know about kamui ?

 

[The Messiah]

He loses 7 he can't see or sense limbo

 

[Lord Tywin]

Beats 1-3. Loses 4 and 5. Beats 6. Loses 7. Beats the rest

 

[Draegod]

7 for sure beats him everyone else gets raped except Minato but he loses eventually.

 

[The Messiah]

Beats 1-3. Loses 4 and 5. Beats 6. Loses 7. Beats the rest

How does he lose 4 and 5

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Obito wins easily. Kamui Shuriken warp him away.

2. Obito wins easily. Sasuke having more power doesn't help him since he can't bust through Susanoo, not to mention he didn't even have PS at this time so it's not that much different from S1.

3. Mokujin can overpower PS, but long range Kamui and Kamui Shuriken are dangerous so Hashirama would probably lose.

4. Hashirama wins. Shinsuusenju can wipe out PS in a matter of moments or SM Mokujin would beat it down with ease. Sage sensing lets him predict and block Kamui w/ Mokuton, and after that first attempt clones and shit lets him survive, and then the flower world ends his life. Kamui can't save him because the pollen won't cause him to overlap, and if he hides the entire time using Kamui he's left vulnerable when his 5 mins are up.

5. Madara can obliterate PS the same way Hashirama can, but he lacks a way to deal with Double Kamui so Obito would eventually snipe him.

6. Edo Madara wins for the same reason Hashirama does. He's a sensor, he can obliterate Obito's Susanoo, and he has Mokuton.

7. Contrary to what's being said above, Obito wins comfortably. Limbo is a threat, but if Susanoo is up it's irrelevant. If Susanoo isn't up then Obito would slip through it as long as he doesn't do anything dumb like try to warp Madara away w/ his own Kamui when he has the firepower and hax outside of that to take him out. One eyed SM Madara has the Mokuton he showed as an Edo, Limbo and V3 Susanoo. None of that holds a candle to PS and Kamui Shuriken. Limbo can't take on Susanoo, and Madara w/ the jutsus he showed when revived as an Edo can't take on PS alone let alone PS and Kamui.

But if Madara can use Shinsuusenju (debatable, not likely since he doesn't have the same amount of Sage power as full power Hashirama) then he wins for the same reasons Hashirama wins. If you stick to feats Obito wins mid diff.

8. Obito's PS has the upper hand in close combat due to Kamui Shuriken, which can also counter any Bijuu Dama Minato fires at him. Match will be a lot of back and forth since Obito can only breach the Avatar w/ long range Kamui and Kamui Shuriken, but Minato has Hiraishin to dodge. Minato can't get around the fact that most of his attacks will be warped away w/ Shuriken. If all fails Obito can outlast the Avatar and take him out w/ Susanoo.

9 and 10. comfortably. It's the same as round 8 except for the fact that Naruto can't teleport, so he's a sitting duck for long range Kamui in his Avatar, and if he puts down his Avatar he gets raped by PS. If his Avatar takes on PS, he'll win in physical ability but Kamui Shuriken are too dangerous.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito stomps every scene. Except for SM Hashirama and and BM Minato. SM Mokujin gets rekt once it gets via kamui shurikens.

 

[Lord Tywin]

How does he lose 4 and 5

No answer to ss. Hashirama can extend Obito's Kamui time limit.
And no answer to Kyuubi/Susanoo combo. Madara can outlast

 

[The Messiah]

No answer to ss. Hashirama can extend Obito's Kamui time limit.
And no answer to Kyuubi/Susanoo combo. Madara can outlast

Madara has no way of hurting him and kamui shirukens can deal with tbb. If he has rikudo chakra enhancing his ps shouldn't at least be on par with hashi's ss

 

[Lord Tywin]

Madara has no way of hurting him and kamui shirukens can deal with tbb. If he has rikudo chakra enhancing his ps shouldn't at least be on par with hashi's ss

He doesn't have rikudo's chakra here.
All Obito can do to even hope of fighting Madara is to keep ps up, or get raped by him and Kyuubi. Shurikens are useless against someone who can throw a dozen of tbb.

 

[The Messiah]

He doesn't have rikudo's chakra here.
All Obito can do to even hope of fighting Madara is to keep ps up, or get raped by him and Kyuubi. Shurikens are useless against someone who can throw a dozen of tbb.

What's stopping him from sniping madara ?

 

[Lord Tywin]

What's stopping him from sniping madara ?

Susanoo

 

[The Messiah]

Susanoo

He can warp parts of it away or use kamui shirukens on it

 

[DemonicAvenger]

1. Obito wins easily. Kamui Shuriken warp him away.

2. Obito wins easily. Sasuke having more power doesn't help him since he can't bust through Susanoo, not to mention he didn't even have PS at this time so it's not that much different from S1.

3. Mokujin can overpower PS, but long range Kamui and Kamui Shuriken are dangerous so Hashirama would probably lose.

4. Hashirama wins. Shinsuusenju can wipe out PS in a matter of moments or SM Mokujin would beat it down with ease. Sage sensing lets him predict and block Kamui w/ Mokuton, and after that first attempt clones and shit lets him survive, and then the flower world ends his life. Kamui can't save him because the pollen won't cause him to overlap, and if he hides the entire time using Kamui he's left vulnerable when his 5 mins are up.

5. Madara can obliterate PS the same way Hashirama can, but he lacks a way to deal with Double Kamui so Obito would eventually snipe him.

6. Edo Madara wins for the same reason Hashirama does. He's a sensor, he can obliterate Obito's Susanoo, and he has Mokuton.

7. Contrary to what's being said above, Obito wins comfortably. Limbo is a threat, but if Susanoo is up it's irrelevant. If Susanoo isn't up then Obito would slip through it as long as he doesn't do anything dumb like try to warp Madara away w/ his own Kamui when he has the firepower and hax outside of that to take him out. One eyed SM Madara has the Mokuton he showed as an Edo, Limbo and V3 Susanoo. None of that holds a candle to PS and Kamui Shuriken. Limbo can't take on Susanoo, and Madara w/ the jutsus he showed when revived as an Edo can't take on PS alone let alone PS and Kamui.

But if Madara can use Shinsuusenju (debatable, not likely since he doesn't have the same amount of Sage power as full power Hashirama) then he wins for the same reasons Hashirama wins. If you stick to feats Obito wins mid diff.

8. Obito's PS has the upper hand in close combat due to Kamui Shuriken, which can also counter any Bijuu Dama Minato fires at him. Match will be a lot of back and forth since Obito can only breach the Avatar w/ long range Kamui and Kamui Shuriken, but Minato has Hiraishin to dodge. Minato can't get around the fact that most of his attacks will be warped away w/ Shuriken. If all fails Obito can outlast the Avatar and take him out w/ Susanoo.

9 and 10. comfortably. It's the same as round 8 except for the fact that Naruto can't teleport, so he's a sitting duck for long range Kamui in his Avatar, and if he puts down his Avatar he gets raped by PS. If his Avatar takes on PS, he'll win in physical ability but Kamui Shuriken are too dangerous.

I agree with a good deal of your post. Which I was actually waiting for cuz I expected the Kamui wank lol

Though I do think the Narutos wins while Minato is debateable.

How will Naruto be vulnerable to sniping in the avatar? It would have to warp away a piece of the avatar first, and even if you provided me with a convincing argument that it could start within the avatar, there's still Bunshin. If Naruto keeps multiple Bunshin in the avatar then Obito runs the risk of sending one to the Kamui dimension.

Kamui Shruiken can be countered the same way. If a piece of avatar is going to be hit by KS, then a Bunshin can position itself in that space to be warped along with it. Or launch themselfs from the avatar with Shunshin and stop them before they hit the avatar

From any point that a Bunshin gets warped, it's pretty much GG at that point. All Naruto has to do is nuke him until he's forced to phase and the bunshin kills him with FRS or a Rasengan sized BD

One other poin't I wanted to adress was outlasting but my phones about to die, so if you decide to rebuttal this. I'd also like to say this strategy is viable for Minato too, but do to intel I don't see him using it

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with a good deal of your post. Which I was actually waiting for cuz I expected the Kamui wank lol

Though I do think the Narutos wins while Minato is debateable.

How will Naruto be vulnerable to sniping in the avatar? It would have to warp away a piece of the avatar first, and even if you provided me with a convincing argument that it could start within the avatar, there's still Bunshin. If Naruto keeps multiple Bunshin in the avatar then Obito runs the risk of sending one to the Kamui dimension.

Kamui Shruiken can be countered the same way. If a piece of avatar is going to be hit by KS, then a Bunshin can position itself in that space to be warped along with it. Or launch themselfs from the avatar with Shunshin and stop them before they hit the avatar

From any point that a Bunshin gets warped, it's pretty much GG at that point. All Naruto has to do is nuke him until he's forced to phase and the bunshin kills him with FRS or a Rasengan sized BD

One other poin't I wanted to adress was outlasting but my phones about to die, so if you decide to rebuttal this. I'd also like to say this strategy is viable for Minato too, but do to intel I don't see him using it

He can't evade Kamui while still in the Avatar, or rather his Avatar can't evade it. Obito can take the entire portion Naruto is in away with it, so even if he warps a clone the original is gone and unable to fight. Naruto's Avatar is regular Bijuu Sized. Obito's chakra reserves are already humongous and he has EMS here so warping away the entire Avatar wouldn't be an issue for him let alone just warping the head. You seem to be under the impression that he'll target Naruto himself even though that's not necessary.

Kamui Shurikens warp range is enough to take Naruto's entire Avatar into the other dimension, or at least the head area where he resides and part of the torso. So the positioning strategy doesn't work. The launching strategy could work though.

 

[TheSages456]

There isn't any difference between this Obito and the one in the manga if you give him the ocular strength to use Perfect Susano'o.

1. Sasuke only has V3 Susano'o at this point, so Obito stomps.

2. Same as above. Obito stomps.

3. The Mokujin and Perfect Susano'o are generally constructs of equal power. Kamui shurikens can be intercepted by Mokuton dragons or Mokuton hands that Hashirama can form from the ground at will. The winner is the one with the greater chakra reserves, which is Hashirama.

4. Sage mode Hashirama obliterates Perfect Susano'o with Chojo Kebetsu. Featwise, only 4 Kamui shurikens can be formed at a time. It can be reasonably assumed that more than 4 are possible at a time, but nowhere near the amount of hands that Shinsuusenju has. The flower world ends the match afterwards.

5. Madara's Majestic Attire obliterates Obito's Susano'o. I can't see any way that Madara can hit Obito though. At the same time, I'm not seeing how Obito touches him either. Obito definitely isn't outlasting him though. I would give it to Madara based on portrayal alone.

6. Kamui shurikens are intercepted by Yasaka magatama. There isn't any difference in the strength of Perfect Susano'o, but Madara would win in the eyes of the author by portrayal and statement.

7. Perfect Susano'o kills this Madara with no effort.

8. Minato can't damage Perfect Susano'o with any Bijudama that 50% Kurama can muster. Obito could just warp away a Super Bijudama with Kamui shurikens anyway. Perfect Susano'o overpowers Kurama.

9. Same situation as with Minato, except easier due to the lack of Hiraishin.

10. Same as scenario 9.

 

[Sagebee]

I say he takes it all

 

[Draegod]

7. Contrary to what's being said above, Obito wins comfortably. Limbo is a threat, but if Susanoo is up it's irrelevant. If Susanoo isn't up then Obito would slip through it as long as he doesn't do anything dumb like try to warp Madara away w/ his own Kamui when he has the firepower and hax outside of that to take him out. One eyed SM Madara has the Mokuton he showed as an Edo, Limbo and V3 Susanoo. None of that holds a candle to PS and Kamui Shuriken. Limbo can't take on Susanoo, and Madara w/ the jutsus he showed when revived as an Edo can't take on PS alone let alone PS and Kamui.

1. To do any damage with PS even throwing the shurikens he has to first spawn the use a throwing motion.
2. Limbo had enough power to send 9 Bijuu flying in seconds
3. Limbo has enough strength to knock PS around since his PS is no bigger then the Bijuu. Fact!
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5. When you use Kamui Def you cannot attack or damage the opponent.
6. He would never get the chance to know when to use the kamui def since Limbo would attack when ever.
6.5. His own Susanoo would block the shurikens and he would escape, then respawn a new susanoo.lol

Your arguments are, A) He cannot break susanoo, B)Kamui Ghostmode ability
My counter arguments are, A) Limbo has enough might to knock susanoo around (not bust open) and thus no prep for attacks, B) Limbo would wait till he is about to attack and kill
ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Send a SM Clone to the Kamui land and then have one from both sides Fuq him over making the Kamui defense completely a death trap.


Obito loses, Limbo is too OP!