EMS Madara vs Tobirama, Hiruzen and Base Minato

[Minator93]

1. Hiruzen soloes comfortably

2. Tobirama soloes High Diff

3. Minato soloes at a difficulty lower than Tobirama U_U

 

[LuckyMan]

Ok, there you go :



Nope



Dafuq ?



How is that destroying PS ?
The rest doesn't interest me in the slightest, I'm just interested on how Tobirama lasts more than 5 seconds by himself here.

FTG dodges and evades PS. Next?

 

[RustledJimmies]

FTG dodges and evades PS. Next?

Except that the kunai's get destroyed along with Tobirama himself. Next ?

 

[Minator93]

FTG vs PSS? well in that case

I'll show you how Minato and Tobirama pretty much nullifies the Madara's PSS threat.

Minato vs PSS [Madara's Destruction Incarnate] :

As I've stated in some of my earlier posts [not from this thread ] that if Madara goes PSS against Minato then he shoots himself in the leg.

We've seen Hashirama pretty much running when PSS+Kurama had that mini rampage, Madara even taunted him @ that point. Madara then blasted him with a TBB+PSS Sword and Hashirama redirected it via 5-Rashomon.

Now Insert Alive Minato instead of Hashirama, he could do the same with Low difficulty and with very Low chakra. How? Jikukan Keekei i.e. FTG Barrier. Minato already Barriere'd Juubi's TBB No Diff with it in base!

Minato however can take it one step further than Hashirama and have that attack redirected at Madara himself!!

Now onto the main topic, Minato vs Madara's PSS

We know that Minato can teleport anything and everything that his chakra comes into contact with [Directly, Indirectly] (I'm talking about the "chakra link"Minato forms). A Susanoo is nothing but a User's chakra manipulated around him. So all Minato has to do is to "touch" PSS in order to form that "chakra link"

Once the chakra link is formed, Minato is left with 3 choices:

1. To teleport both Madara and PSS
2. To teleport PSS and left Madara hanging
3. To teleport Madara out of the PS to a different Location!

But remember I said Madara shoots himself in the leg when he goes PSS against Minato, I'll prove you why

The Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi i.e. the FTG Swap. Minato can have a clone to do the chakra forming and instead of teleporting Madara out of it Minato can simply swap Madara with his clone and kill him the instant he's swapped!!

Going PSS or any Susanoo against Minato is writing a death wish really. I mean not after he clarified his FTG and showed that over haxx tech Goshun Mawashi!

Now this works on Madara but some smartass will say will this work on Sasuke? because Sasuke uses Enton Cover blah blah. Well it does Minato sends his clones to do the work so even if he touches Amaterasu nothing's gonna happen since its not real Minato!

Also: I argued using base Minato! You can only Imagine how easy it'd be for BM or SM Minato to shit on PSS Lol Also Tobirama has the same Hiraishin abilities as well U_U

 

[Bronze]

''Tobirama potentially solos'' LMFAO.

OT: Madara low diff.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nope

Ok.

Dafuq ?

1. Kishimoto explains the purpose of Suiton, and the damage output this ninjutu performs:

Water
A good compatibility with various Shape Alterations. Creating a mist to hide oneself, or a tidal wave for confinement[

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], it is greatly beneficial for supporting purposes.

Suiton canonically did this[

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]. This leads to my premise that Tobirama's Suiton prowess could do the same.

How is that destroying PS ?

PS was never displayed of being destroyed, other then 4 Juubi TBB.

Hashirama 1000 Hands Buddha punches actually enable enough for to strip away Susanoo.

The size of Goto is on par with both PS and Buddha, so a direct hit from the explosion should enable enough energy to strip away the entity.

The rest doesn't interest me in the slightest, I'm just interested on how Tobirama lasts more than 5 seconds by himself here.

Of course you believe that, only considering the factor of PS, then Madara other jutsu he uses first.

 

[Bronze]

The size of Goto is on par with both PS and Buddha, so a direct hit from the explosion should enable enough energy to strip away the entity.

Where did you get this from?​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Where did you get this from?​

From scaling comparison.

If you compare all 3 to Juubi (summon size) Minion, you will see its range.

 

[Bronze]

From scaling comparison.

If you compare all 3 to Juubi (summon size) Minion, you will see its range.

Can I see the scaling?​

 

[RustledJimmies]

1. Kishimoto explains the purpose of Suiton, and the damage output this ninjutu performs:



Suiton canonically did this[

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]. This leads to my premise that Tobirama's Suiton prowess could do the same

That isn't doing anything to PS anyway, so irrelevant.

PS was never displayed of being destroyed, other then 4 Juubi TBB.

Hashirama 1000 Hands Buddha punches actually enable enough for to strip away Susanoo.

The size of Goto is on par with both PS and Buddha, so a direct hit from the explosion should enable enough energy to strip away the entity.

The punches did destroy it

Bold : I'm gonna have to ask you where you got this from.

 

[Dannie]

These comments are atrocious. Hiruzen is fodder and Tobirama isn't doing shit. Genjutsu takes care of water boy. Minato is the only threat.

Madara wins mid-diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That isn't doing anything to PS anyway, so irrelevant.

Except leaving enough energy force as much as Buddha's punches(Which PS destroyed 60-70% of), to strip it off.

The punches did destroy it

No it didn't, You clearly still see Sussano on Kurama still, which Hashirama stated "Susanoo is being removed".

Bold : I'm gonna have to ask you where you got this from.

Comparison 1​

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Goto Comparison​

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Red line= Minato jumping out of range (Gama's size and Point of View)

Red Circle= Juubi Minion being closest to its range


Afk, for a sec

 

[Bronze]

I advice to look again at the scans. The Juubi clones cannot even be tell that their size had increased as well. Gamakechi being right in front of the explosion shows its not as big as you think it is. Gamakechi is only Bijuu sized. Perfect Susanoo is 14x times fold the size of Bijuu. 100% Kurama is the only exception, as its 7x times bigger than half Kurama.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

The Juubi clones cannot even be tell that their size had increased as well.​

Huh?? I am not sure where you are getting at. But those Minion-type are summoning size[

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Gamakechi being right in front of the explosion shows its not as big as you think it is.

He wasn't in front. He was away.

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]. You can even compare it to the Gate God too.

Gamakechi is only Bijuu sized. Perfect Susanoo is 14x times fold the size of Bijuu.

Ok, I like the word compatible more the actual size.

100% Kurama is the only exception, as its 7x times bigger than half Kurama.

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Half Kurama=/=Avatar Kurama. Proof, that 100 Kurama is compatible to Summoning size too is [

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[Bronze]

1). No, referring to here [

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2). No, he wasn't. He was right in front of the explosion [

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]. In fact, the potent of the jutsu wasn't powerful as the shock waves could not harm the surrounding. Nowhere near enough to damage V3, let alone PS.

3). Gamabunta = Shukaku [

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4). Your scan doesn't support your claim. All you see is Kurama's head being in fact comparable to Gamabunta. Not the whole body. No, Kurama and the avatar are the same. Seen with the Bijuu gathered.​

 

[Unorthodox]

OMG ejblack in his fail logic shit

madara negs diff these clowns 1 ps swordswing blows them fodders away

also comparing them to ps is a fail when the were clearly closer than ps was also their size differ

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and explosive tags would not put a dent on susanoo anyways no matter how big or how many their are konan ocean of paper bombs > tobiramas and ps could easily tank them

and also bijuu damas had made much bigger explosion than those burnt tags and much much more powerfull

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8 tails is like a tiny dot that eplosion is much bigger than those paper tags unstabilized susanoo already tanked kurama's bijuu dama

 

[Unorthodox]

I advice to look again at the scans. The Juubi clones cannot even be tell that their size had increased as well. Gamakechi being right in front of the explosion shows its not as big as you think it is. Gamakechi is only Bijuu sized. Perfect Susanoo is 14x times fold the size of Bijuu. 100% Kurama is the only exception, as its 7x times bigger than half Kurama.​

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he's not even bijuu size remember that was half of katsuya and she was the same size as him full katsuya is bunta size bunta is barely bigger than the size of kurama's head

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also dont even compare tobirama's suiton to madara's katon his katon is bigger than juubi

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[Brother Numpsay]

1). No, referring to here [

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]. Not all of them have grown to Bijuu sized.

2). No, he wasn't. He was right in front of the explosion [

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]. In fact, the potent of the jutsu wasn't powerful as the shock waves could not harm the surrounding. Nowhere near enough to damage V3, let alone PS.

3). Gamabunta = Shukaku [

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].

4). Your scan doesn't support your claim. All you see is Kurama's head being in fact comparable to Gamabunta. Not the whole body. No, Kurama and the avatar are the same. Seen with the Bijuu gathered.​

1.) So that doesn't disprove my premise as they are still compatible. Which in the same page, Hashirama words and Saninn students attempting to fight them off with summonings.

2.) Then check your eyes again. As the same place where they were on top of (which is bigger then them) is being destroy by Goto. What are you even talking about via shockwave? Those Minions were send flying. I didn't even compare this shockwave to a single slash of PS.

3) That proves my point

4) No what you can see it the head, excluding long ears, matches Buntas. Hand size matches eachother too, you don't have to see their whole body to state that aren't compatible lmao. If I were to jump on your back, does my premise support that my size will be compatible to your size?

 

[Brooks]

Tobirama can potentially solo. His Suiton can enable concussive damage when dealing with Susanoo, until Perfect. Then use Gojō on Perfect, acting as a bigger concussive damage with its bigger/stronger entity.

Adding Minato's FTG connections+combos
Adding Hiruzen's Suiton combos

Makes the match up much much easier.

EjBlack at his prime...

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[Unorthodox]

1.) So that doesn't disprove my premise as they are still compatible. Which in the same page, Hashirama words and Saninn students attempting to fight them off with summonings.

2.) Then check your eyes again. As the same place where they were on top of (which is bigger then them) is being destroy by Goto. What are you even talking about via shockwave? Those Minions were send flying. I didn't even compare this shockwave to a single slash of PS.

3) That proves my point

4) No what you can see it the head, excluding long ears, matches Buntas. Hand size matches eachother too, you don't have to see their whole body to state that aren't compatible lmao. If I were to jump on your back, does my premise support that my size will be compatible to your size?

already counterd your bs

right at FTG v2 when ps already took multi bijuu damas eplosion plus shinsuusenjutsu fist

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15 bijuu damas went off plus getting pounded by SS perfect susanoo still didnt give away