EMS Madara vs BSM Naruto

[shelke]

^ PS didn't tank thousands of Shinsuusenju's hands. Most of its hands were destroyed by the multiple Bijuudama/PS slash combinations before its hands even touched PS.

Do you have any proof? No one is denying that its hands weren't destroyed but Shin-Senju is 'made up' of literally thousands of hands. There are clearly images of the statues hands attacking PS. Why deny it? PS >> BSM in durability.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Do you have any proof? No one is denying that its hands weren't destroyed but Shin-Senju is 'made up' of literally thousands of hands. There are clearly images of the statues hands attacking PS. Why deny it? PS >> BSM in durability.

Naruto's Biju Mode tanked the Juubi's Bijudama. Which at a latter time was shown tearing through a mountain range.

Shinsuusenju's hands on the other hand (no pun intended) don't have any feats other than breaking a part of Perfect Susano'O, these same hands that the were torn through with ease by unexploded Bijudama and PS blades.​

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[Touken]

Do you have any proof? No one is denying that its hands weren't destroyed but Shin-Senju is 'made up' of literally thousands of hands. There are clearly images of the statues hands attacking PS. Why deny it? PS >> BSM in durability.

One Bijuudama is enough to vaporize a mountain. One PS slash is enough to vaporize a mountain.

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Obviously there were hands still left it but most of the hands were destroyed before Shinsuusenju made contact with Madara's PS.

 

[Bronze]

BM speed is gonna be difficult for Madaras eyes to follow if he's not in susanoo.

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] Sasuke followed and reacted to Juubito's speed(superior to BSM Naruto's). Madara being more proficient with EMS implies he can do the same. Speed is non-factor especially when he speedblitz SM Naruto.

One Bijuudama is enough to vaporize a mountain. One PS slash is enough to vaporize a mountain.

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Obviously there were hands still left it but most of the hands were destroyed before Shinsuusenju made contact with Madara's PS.

Obviously that's false. So many hands can pounding PS can be seen in the panel.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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] Sasuke followed and reacted to Juubito's speed(superior to BSM Naruto's). Madara being more proficient with EMS implies he can do the same. Speed is non-factor especially when he speedblitz SM Naruto.

Shunshin and flying aren't the same. Not more than a half hour earlier Sasuke was blitzed by his Shunshin.​

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[shelke]

^ Not a very weighty argument, as Hachibi pushed back V2 Juubi's BD - Naruto and co never tanked this - and felt the full blast of its explosion - along with its own - literally on its face and survived its own full powered BD as well, yet it felt the burns of Katon barrier and literally screamed itself to death from Amaterasu. Took a horn to its chest and couldn't get up. Got sliced up by Raiton easily. Naruto tanked its own BD in six tails form and yet the V2 versions of Tailed beasts whom KCM Naruto couldn't keep up with - heck he couldn't keep up with Jins in general - at first and yet, their V2 cloaks were cut through by Raiton.

V2 Juubi survived its own cities buster TBB within the barrier, yet felt the burns from Amaterasu on itself. This proves nothing as it's A B C logic in Narutoverse. Simply stating that the most powerful SM technique that withstood and took down Madara and Kurama's combined attacks together as trivial doesn't prove your points of Naruto's supposed and assumed superiority AT ALL. PS IS shown to be a much better armour which is why the manga has always shown it armouring Kurama and now BSM.

 

[Bronze]

Shunshin and flying aren't the same. Not more than a half hour earlier Sasuke was blitzed by his Shunshin.​

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Shunshin is moving at high speed. Obito was demonstrating that when flying.

 

[Touken]

Obviously that's false. So many hands can pounding PS can be seen in the panel.

You can see barely any hands pounding PS. The amount of hands left after Madara's onslaught are meagre compared to how many there originally were.

^ Shunshin is using chakra to temporarily vitalize the body. It's not the same as flying.

 

[shelke]

One Bijuudama is enough to vaporize a mountain. One PS slash is enough to vaporize a mountain. Shinsuusenju is several mountains long and wide. Madara launched several Bijuudama/PS slash combinations against Shinsuusenju. Obviously there were hands still left it but most of the hands were destroyed before Shinsuusenju made contact with Madara's PS.

I don't agree, because it's 'False'.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Shunshin is moving at high speed. Obito was demonstrating that when flying.

Shunshin isn't defined that way, its concentrating chakra into the users legs and using it as a burst of speed.

Literally impossible to use while flying.​

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[slimreaper]

naruto having no intel on PS's shockwaves wouldn't curl up like he did against the juubi. with nothing to protect his head naruto does via PS slash.

as for demonicavenger tell me, if one tbb from a full kurama didn't even scratch ps, then how does adding 4 more equal its destruction? thats like throwing a rock at a suit of armor with no results and then expecting if you throw 5 at once it will do something

 

[DemonicAvenger]

^ Not a very weighty argument, as Hachibi pushed back V2 Juubi's BD - Naruto and co never tanked this - and felt the full blast of its explosion - along with its own - literally on its face and survived its own full powered BD as well, yet it felt the burns of Katon barrier and literally screamed itself to death from Amaterasu. Took a horn to its chest and couldn't get up. Got sliced up by Raiton easily. Naruto tanked its own BD in six tails form and yet the V2 versions of Tailed beasts whom KCM Naruto couldn't keep up with - heck he couldn't keep up with Jins in general - at first and yet, their V2 cloaks were cut through by Raiton.


V2 Juubi survived its own cities buster TBB within the barrier, yet felt the burns from Amaterasu on itself. This proves nothing as it's A B C logic in Narutoverse. Simply stating that the most powerful SM technique that withstood and took down Madara and Kurama's combined attacks together as trivial doesn't prove your points of Naruto's supposed and assumed superiority AT ALL. PS IS shown to be a much better armour which is why the manga has always shown it armouring Kurama and now BSM.

Could you break this up a bit. Its hard to follow this.

From what I did read I really doesn't counter the fact that the Juubidama hit Naruto's Avatar and it was tanked.

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Juubi's Bijudama aren't City busters btw, they're Multi-Continent busters.​

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[Touken]

I don't agree, because it's 'False'.

Fair enough. I've already said it's hard to judge PS's defensive capabilities because we've only really seen it in action once.

 

[shelke]

^ Why is it hard to follow two paragraphs? I already proved to you how this means little in Naruto-verse by giving 'Actual' examples from the Manga. Only V2 Juubi has shown that capacity. I said cities, shouldn't that suffice? Regardless, Hachibi did survive the blow back from V2 Juubi's still-charging blast along with its own - the 'full-powered' one it used to push it back into its stomach. The rest of those examples still hold. Stating that Naruto tanked this and PS wouldn't is a hollow argument - one without any proof whatsoever.

 

[Chīkara]

Both EMS Madara and EMS Sasuke can win against Naruto.

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[Gold Lightning]

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] Sasuke followed and reacted to Juubito's speed(superior to BSM Naruto's). Madara being more proficient with EMS implies he can do the same. Speed is non-factor especially when he speedblitz SM Naruto.

I agree with you, I just meant that a speedy Naruto can be a handful but I don't think it will affect Madara that much. I still think Naruto wins though.

 

[Bronze]

Shunshin isn't defined that way, its concentrating chakra into the users legs and using it as a burst of speed.

Literally impossible to use while flying.​

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And do you think flight doesn't use Chakra? it does. Obito is merely concentrating Chakra to fly. One can say he can use it with Shunshin. Either way, the scan doesn't show much difference.

You can see barely any hands pounding PS. The amount of hands left after Madara's onslaught are meagre compared to how many there originally were.

^ Shunshin is using chakra to temporarily vitalize the body. It's not the same as flying.

*********** has high quality scanlators [

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]. You can clearly tell so many hands were pounding it. The ground levelled resulting from them.

 

[Touken]

*********** has high quality scanlators [

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]. You can clearly tell so many hands were pounding it. The ground levelled resulting from them.

Uh, and you can tell how by that scan? It's hard to judge PS's durability because that scan's a mess and we've only seen it briefly against Mokujin, the Gokage who got trampled on and it's hard to make out how many arms were left after Shinsuusenju vs. PS/Kurama. I reckon we just wait for more BSM Naruto feats.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

^ Why is it hard to follow two paragraphs? I already proved to you how this means little in Naruto-verse by giving 'Actual' examples from the Manga. Only V2 Juubi has shown that capacity. I said cities, shouldn't that suffice? Regardless, Hachibi did survive the blow back from V2 Juubi's still-charging blast along with its own - the 'full-powered' one it used to push it back into its stomach. The rest of those examples still hold. Stating that Naruto tanked this and PS wouldn't is a hollow argument - one without any proof whatsoever.

It hard to follow something that looks like a 3 year old wrote it. Break it up or I won't reply. Simple as that.

Anyways, Naruto tanked it. Bee had nothing to do with Naruto tanking it as Kakashi had already warped the Hachbi with Kamui. While PS's best feat is a single Bijudama. That's all there is too it.

And the difference between City level and Multi-Continent is beyond massive. Uliqourra's Lanza is a better example of City/Town level.​

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And do you think flight doesn't use Chakra? it does. Obito is merely concentrating Chakra to fly. One can say he can use it with Shunshin. Either way, the scan doesn't show much difference.

I never said it didn't. Thought that in and of itself is no proof that they had equal speed.​

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[shelke]

^ You obviously have nary a clue as to decipher paragraphs that contain listings within them. Don't bother replying, I am not all that curious anyway. The rest of your post has little to do with what I ventured.