EMS Madara vs 1MS Obito

[KidGamer65]

Madara wins, comfortably.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Madara wins this

--using shadow clones as a diversion to attack obito the moment he solidifies to attack and clone fients to force obito into warping a clone which is a GG

--madaras speed is much faster than obitos, and his choku tomo precog is well above obitos, so tagging obito and landing a hit isn't a problem at all, added with the fact that his sharingan can locate obito when he's tangible just ensures this notion

--katons are non factor they are matched with madaras own, and with clones on The agenda he can get a them to smack obito from behind when he is attempting to use the katon

You make obito sound weak and stupid as hell here.

It was made pretty clear that clones are of no use against him, when Naruto the master of clones couldn't do anything against him. It was also explained to avoid big attacks and flashy moves against him. KCM Naruto with all his speed, needed the help of another perfect jinchiirki, a Gates user, and another Mangekyou user to even touch this guy once.

obito has enough precog to react to an Ay blitz point blank, and even a Minato lunge with ease. Madara isn't gonna surprise him with anything slower than those. Madara isn't landing hits on obito like you think he will. He reacted to Juudara from point blank as well, and that wasn't even a 100% obito, it was a half dead obito.

Why would obito be so foolish to even attempt any fire techniques against madara, when he knows it will never work, when obito knows that madara is even greater at fire techniques than himself?

Obito knows exactly what Madara is capable. No matter how much firepower madara has, it cannot touch obito. Kamui spam is all that's needed. And with hashirama cells, his endurance is greater than madaras, and his stamina is in no way inferior. Even Madara himself looked down of clone usage, noting how pointless it was.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Not disagreeing, but when has Madara shown Kage Bunshin?

 

[Demonic.]

Not disagreeing, but when has Madara shown Kage Bunshin?

After Madara was revived with Izanagi he replaced his body with a shadow clone to fool Tobirama. He's never used it in a battle, but he definitely can use shadow clones.

 

[RustledJimmies]

After Madara was revived with Izanagi he replaced his body with a shadow clone to fool Tobirama. He's never used it in a battle, but he definitely can use shadow clones.

Oh yeah, that's right, he would win then.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Madara.

 

[ARGUS]

You make obito sound weak and stupid as hell here.

No im not

It was made pretty clear that clones are of no use against him, when Naruto the master of clones couldn't do anything against him.

You mean when naruto, the master of clones didnt even use any against him,

It was also explained to avoid big attacks and flashy moves against him.

Never said that madara would use something like PS now did I

KCM Naruto with all his speed, needed the help of another perfect jinchiirki,

The perfect jin who was busy fighting the mazo or other jins,
both of which were the powers assosciated with the rinnegan which he lacks here

a Gates user,

Which he didnt even use against obito

and another Mangekyou user to even touch this guy once.

that was due to them having no intel at all on him, and not using any of their main moveset,
once they had intel on his jutsu mechanics, obito was getting wrecked

obito has enough precog to react to an Ay blitz point blank,

Yeah V1 Ay, sure,
a speed which even SM naruto managed to physically react to
and madara is much faster

and even a Minato lunge with ease.

Minato didnt even use his shunshin against obito,
his reflexes and striking speed took a dump on obitos, as he got marked and then lolblitzed by FTG

Madara isn't gonna surprise him with anything slower than those. Madara isn't landing hits on obito like you think he will.

Madara has the same choku tomo like sasuke which helped him track juubito someone who is tiers and tiers faster
not to mention that sasuke even managed to tag him thanks to his precog,
landing hits on MS Obito who was tagged by the likes of Fuu/Torune and Konan is done quite easily

He reacted to Juudara from point blank as well, and that wasn't even a 100% obito, it was a half dead obito.

you mean juudara just attempting to take his eye with no noticeable speed at all, then yeah sure
whats worse is that intangibility is a mode thats activated. so obito doesnt necessarily have to be able to react to someone in-order too slip through his attack,
he probably had the mode activated prior to taking out bijuu chakra from madara

Why would obito be so foolish to even attempt any fire techniques against madara, when he knows it will never work, when obito knows that madara is even greater at fire techniques than himself?

Sure, just stating his moveset outside of kamui

Obito knows exactly what Madara is capable. No matter how much firepower madara has, it cannot touch obito. Kamui spam is all that's needed.

much faster shunshin, striking speed and reflexes added with the fact that they are aided with his choku tomo precognition that clowns obitos, and can also see when obitos chakra when hes tangible
furthermore madara has clones with him to ensure that obito never lands a hit on him before he gets thrashed
kamui is not helpiing him when madara knows that he cant just throw out attacks and can disrupt it and can tag obito before he does

And with hashirama cells, his endurance is greater than madaras, and his stamina is in no way inferior.

Hashiramas cells are lucky to put obitos endurance at the same level to madaras,
without them there is no indication that his stamina is something special, and certainly not to an extent where its high enough to outlast madara,
especially when all madara needs his clones and shunshin, whiilst obito is still using his kamui; realistically consuming more chakra

Even Madara himself looked down of clone usage, noting how pointless it was.

yet he used 25 of them against the gokages
claiming that madara doesnt like clone usage is a piss poor of an excuse to avoid the topic of him using any
because he knows that diversions are the main things he needs in-order to land hits on obito

 

[Conspirator.]

Madara wins it.