Ems madara sasuke & itachi vs naruto jiraiya & minato

[nakumaru]

I got negg on this thread as the persons comment was "Itachi > Naruto and Minato"

I'm officially declaring the Uchiha fanboys the worst of all.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Does throwing a bomb cause it to have a bigger explosion than if you just planted the bomb? Obviously not.

Bijuudama doesn't work like a bomb. If anything, it's like a cannonball. It requires momentum.

Not sure if srs.... Any Toad that comes at Susanoo is burnt up with Enton and Goemon is effortlessly tanked.

Sasuke is the only Enton user and he is effortlessly squashed by BM Naruto.

Goemon tanked? Mei dissolved Susanoo with her jutsus and Goemon is above anything she has. Lava is ~1200 celsius degrees.

Goemon is a couple thousand and is on a higher scale. It's also hot liquid which can get under the Susanoo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bijuudama doesn't work like a bomb. If anything, it's like a cannonball. It requires momentum.

Not really, Bijuu Dama, Tailed Beast Bomb, works like a bomb as it explodes, Cannon Balls don't explode.

Sasuke is the only Enton user and he is effortlessly squashed by BM Naruto.

Goemon tanked? Mei dissolved Susanoo with her jutsus and Goemon is above anything she has. Lava is ~1200 celsius degrees.

Goemon is a couple thousand and is on a higher scale. It's also hot liquid which can get under the Susanoo.

Madara soundly handles BM Naruto, he isnt going to stand there and let his teammate be defeated. Come on now.

I see you're comparing a Ribcage Susanoo to a Final Susanoo. Mei's Acid Mist melted a ribcage Susanoo not her lava so that comparison you made is moot.

Goemone is effortlessly tanked.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Not really, Bijuu Dama, Tailed Beast Bomb, works like a bomb as it explodes, Cannon Balls don't explode.

The concussive force of the Bijuudama has unknown power which could potentially make it penetrate Susanoo and blow up from the inside. If I put a grenade in your hand it's one thing. If I shove it down your throat is another.

The TBB is pretty heavy and flung at a high speed. High speed + heavy = big impact.

I see you're comparing a Ribcage Susanoo to a Final Susanoo. Mei's Acid Mist melted a ribcage Susanoo not her lava so that comparison you made is moot.

Jiraya's oil is a couple times hotter than Mei's lava. It's also liquid and can get under the Susanoo, as I said before.

 

[KidGamer65]

The concussive force of the Bijuudama has unknown power which could potentially make it penetrate Susanoo and blow up from the inside. If I put a grenade in your hand it's one thing. If I shove it down your throat is another.

The TBB is pretty heavy and flung at a high speed. High speed + heavy = big impact.

Except TBB's main power comes from the explosion just like a bomb not from it being flung or thrown, so it being thrown or not makes no difference in the explosion.

It still would have been tanked even if it were fired and it Madara's Susanoo directly.
-There is nothing notable about the concussive force of the Bijuu Dama that would allow it to penetrate Susanoo as Bijuu Dama's explosion is the main brunt of its power.

Jiraya's oil is a couple times hotter than Mei's lava. It's also liquid and can get under the Susanoo, as I said before.

Why are you talling about Mei's lava here? She used acid mist not lava. The liquid won't get under Susanoo, it would be blocked out.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Except TBB's main power comes from the explosion just like a bomb not from it being flung or thrown, so it being thrown or not makes no difference in the explosion.

Oh trust me, if you threw a couple tons of steel before it blows it would still dish out some damage.

Did Tsunade not crack Susanoo with her fist? A bijuudama's concussive power is much more than that, else Tsunade would be able to deflect it.

Did Naruto's Bijuudama not deflect the ones the Jins fired at him? That goes to show how strong it is.

Why are you talling about Mei's lava here? She used acid mist not lava.

Even so, lava is much more corrosive than acid.

 

[shelke]

I don't think Itachi is even needed; EMS Madara and EMS Sasuke - Gemini EMS eyes - are enough to clean house.

Sasuke can take out both Jiraiya and Mintao mid difference max:

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Against Minato
Mintao has absolutely nothing on him to counter Sussano. What will he do with ftg anyway? Keep teleporting in and out of the battlefield? That will look cheery. And this scenario is only valid if the guy has Kunais left in his shack.

All of his thrown FTG Kunais will get burnt to a maroon paste with Magatamas. His Rasangan is useless before CS. Naruto’s Ultra BB-Rasangan couldn’t scratch bare-bones, but Mintao can tank a CS? His Summons will get taken out instantly with a simple Amatersu or even Magatama, and Sasuke can create Amaterasu wall of defense from those fallen projectiles as he did so in Kabuto fight.

Not only this, Mintao has never dodged an attack that looks like a barrage of bullets. This doesn’t even feel feasible. These entons won’t disappear into thin air, and these countless fallen entons are nothing but a death trap on the battle-field which Sasuke can use over and over again to create countless other projectiles. How will they counter all of this? Unless he can fly, any counter or made-up post for this is laughable.

His Sussano has three arms and as shown by his very first EMS feat, he can use both Enton Arrows and an Enton Flame – out of which Magatamas and arrows are formed – at the same time. How will Mintao dodge all of these? If he doesn’t look directly in his eyes to avoid Ems Genjutsu, he gets taken out instantly with Amaterasu.

Sasuke has shown incredible feats with Genjutsu when he put Bee – an individual moving at immense speed – Shee – A genjutsu specialist – and Deidara – an opponent at an incredible distance – under Genjutsu effortlessly. He fooled Deidara and Danzo – killing the latter – despite his Genjutsu being weak if compared to Itachi’s.

Any of his summons are tanked with Genjutsu or Magatama instantly. This will go against Minato if anything else as Summons require a large amount of Chakra and will only waste it, if he continues to summon toads on the battlefield.

His Food cart destroyer is effortlessly tanked by Susano’o’s erection speed that was as fast as Lightening strike. There is no way this freefalling Frog is faster than the speed of a lightening discharge.

His S/T barrier requires five hand-seals and is useless before Susano’o arrows that are so fast that Kakashi and Danzo didn’t have time to form a single hand-seal. In fact, this technique is far too sluggish to redirect any attack, especially from someone like Sasuke who has a plethora of High-speed attacks such a Amaterasu, Enton Arrows, Magamatas, and Genjutsu in his arsenal.

Sasuke rib-cage version was able to withstand Mei’s Lava attack and even acid mist and only melted once he tried to jump to a higher form and succumbed to MS’s natural strain. If Ribs version can withstand all this, Rasangan would be literally useless here. I can’t see any of his attacks penetrating CS encased with Kagatsuchi.

With all this heat, Sasuke will prepare Kirin in no time, and he is obliterated here. Sasuke takes this fight low-mid difference.

Jiriya loses big time here. He isn't fast enough to dodge Magatama, arrows - that are much faster than a single hand-seal - enton arrows, and Sussano grabs. Sasuke can encase his CS within enton flames, use magatama with the third sussano hand, while he picks him off with the other two Sussano hands using Enton arrows, or arrows in general. Jiriya's Rasangan attacks won't get through a wall of Amatersu alone, let alone the CS inside enton which can be further manipulated into spikes and other shapes.

Jiriyas most powerful attacks in sage mode require hand seals and that can be easily dealt with by manipulating the lee-way to shower him with magatamas and arrows at the same time. I am afraid to say this, but this is a low-mid difference win max. Jiriya is far too weak compared to EMS Sasuke. Not to mention his sage mode is imperfect and doesn't provide any sensory abilities like Naruto, otherwise he wouldn't have lost an arm to Asura path so easily.

If he isn't in SM already, the fight will end much sooner.

EMS Madara can take out BM Naruto quite easily. His EMS ocular abilities can easily make him see through the clone. He can go all out, and pull out a PS. A few sword slashes are enough to end Naruto and completely cancel his TBB.

 

[shelke]

@ Kid Gamer and Pateuvasiliu

She did use Lava attack on Sasuke:

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- Sasuke's ribcage version Susano'o completely withstanding Mei's Lava attack and Chogiru's Hiram Ekarai Release Attack:

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. Even after both of these attacks, his Susano'o appears unscathed -

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[Unorthodox]

unstabilized ps tanked 100% kurama tbb with no crack or scratch ems madara>>>bm naruto sasuke solos j-man and minato

 

[KidGamer65]

@ Kid Gamer and Pateuvasiliu

She did use Lava attack on Sasuke:

Oh, I didn't know that she hit him with it, but he was referring to the acid mist that melted his Ribcage a little bit.

Oh trust me, if you threw a couple tons of steel before it blows it would still dish out some damage.



Did Naruto's Bijuudama not deflect the ones the Jins fired at him? That goes to show how strong it is.



Even so, lava is much more corrosive than acid.

Did Tsunade not crack Susanoo with her fist? A bijuudama's concussive power is much more than that, else Tsunade would be able to deflect it.

Again, you are talking about a RIBCAGE Susanoo. You need to prove that it hitting the Susanoo would have broken through, exploded and destroyed the Susanoo, which you clearly can't do.

Depends on what you are throwing the steel at. If you are throwing at a wall that can easily take it with no damage then there is no point of throwing it if it won't cause any extra damage.

Manga disagrees as Mei's acid mist melted Ribcage a little bit while the Lava was tanked.

 

[shelke]

^ It probably melted his rib-cage because Sasuke was on his last leg by that time.