EMS Madara attacks! 4th Hokage to the rescue?!...

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We are assuming that he's bloodlusted for Minato. The OP said same situation but with Minato

As I stated the max radius shown for S/T barrier still doesn't cover the blast radius of a/ multiple Kyuubi tbb. PS can tank them, but all that minato doesn't teleport deal him damage (kills)
 
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Why would Madara follow a blood lusted Minato?

Because it's a death-battle. Madara is trying to kill Minato not destroy the village. I don't even know why were discussing the village.
 

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gets hands cut off all the same.
 

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Point taken, my bad, but Is that barrier large enough to give him escape from the blast radius of multiple tbb?

Hashi lead Madara away from the village so ppl wouldn't get hurt. The fight started closer to the village which is why in the beginning Hashi had to try and divert the path of tbb
The barrier is most likely a 360 degrees barrier.
 

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EMS Madara is fodder to SM Minato. No attacks from him can penetrate ST barrier. If Tsunade was able to hit him, SM Minato rapes him hard. Only Minato haters will deny this. Gamarinsho says hi to EMS Madara.
 

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(1) Fight starts.

(2) Minato does this:

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(3) Madara dies

How would Madara counter that?

1. Fight Starts.

2. Minato does that.

3. Madara tanks with Susanoo.

Then he goes PS, and Minato dies after a few sword slashes.
 

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1. Fight Starts.

2. Minato does that.

3. Madara tanks with Susanoo.

Then he goes PS, and Minato dies after a few sword slashes.

Ah, there's your issue!

I'd like scans showing he can activate Susano'o that fast.
 

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Ah, there's your issue!

I'd like scans showing he can activate Susano'o that fast.

Itachi did it before lighting hit him.


So I'm pretty sure the physically superior (in every way) Madara can pull off the same thing against Minato.

Sage Madara was able to react and even evade Tobirama's much similar attempt at a blitz. [ ] He didn't even see Tobirama coming.

Not only does Madara know Minato will teleport to him (Hence the Kunai being thrown at him) if Sage Madara was able to react AND evade, EMS Madara should be able to activate Susanoo, and all that takes is a thought. No physical action whatsoever.
 

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Itachi did it before lighting hit him.


So I'm pretty sure the physically superior (in every way) Madara can pull off the same thing against Minato.

First of all, Madara is not Itachi. Using his feats for Madara is a fallacy, for all we know Itachi excels in activating Susano'o quickly. It's not applicable.

Secondly, that really isn't an impressive feat for Itachi. He had loads of time to see what Sasuke was going to do and anticipated it.

Sage Madara was able to react and even evade Tobirama's much similar attempt at a blitz. [ ] He didn't even see Tobirama coming.

Irrelevant, EMS Madara does not have Rinnegan or Sage Mode. Really confused as to why you even mentioned this.

Not only does Madara know Minato will teleport to him (Hence the Kunai being thrown at him) if Sage Madara was able to react AND evade, EMS Madara should be able to activate Susanoo, and all that takes is a thought. No physical action whatsoever.

You're also comparing Minato's movements to Tobirama's, when it's already been stated Minato is superior. So that isn't an accurate comparison either.

Madara's ribcage susano'o (I'm assuming this is what you're reffering to, anything else would be beyond ridiculous) is going to "Tank" a SM giant rasengan? Highly doubtful.

All of your statements are based off inaccurate assumptions and inferences from other characters and no feats from EMS Madara himself. I almost believe you just stated Madara would win without thinking it through. If you want to play that game, Izuna was said to be equal to Madara in skill and got blitzed by an inferior Minato.
 

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First of all, Madara is not Itachi. Using his feats for Madara is a fallacy, for all we know Itachi excels in activating Susano'o quickly. It's not applicable.

No, its not a fallacy as Madara has shown to be superior to Itachi when it comes to reflexes and speed. So if Itachi can activate Susanoo quickly, Madara can do it as well as he has faster reactions. That simple.

Secondly, that really isn't an impressive feat for Itachi. He had loads of time to see what Sasuke was going to do and anticipated it.

Your point? It doesn't change the fact he pulled it off right before lighting hit him.

Irrelevant, EMS Madara does not have Rinnegan or Sage Mode. Really confused as to why you even mentioned this.

You obviously didn't read and/or understand the point.

-Rinnegan is irrelevant.

-SM let him dodge due to enhanced physical reflexes. He only needs to think in order to activate Susanoo, so saying he needs Sage Mode to do so is incorrect. Repeating this will only show me that you have no real refutation.

You're also comparing Minato's movements to Tobirama's, when it's already been stated Minato is superior. So that isn't an accurate comparison either.

I only compared their Hiraishin teleportation, and they are equal in that as Hiraishin can't be faster than Hiraishin. Not to mention it was only stated his Shunshin is better. By feats Tobirama has faster reactions. (Reacting to Obito's blitz and tagging him 5 times)

Madara's ribcage susano'o (I'm assuming this is what you're reffering to, anything else would be beyond ridiculous) is going to "Tank" a SM giant rasengan? Highly doubtful.
Yes, it'd tank a SM Rasengan going by feats.

All of your statements are based off inaccurate assumptions and inferences from other characters and no feats from EMS Madara himself. I almost believe you just stated Madara would win without thinking it through. If you want to play that game, Izuna was said to be equal to Madara in skill and got blitzed by an inferior Minato.

My inferences are valid going by what the manga shows, unlike the one you just made here. Its called using your brain, try it sometime.

-Izuna was never stated to be equal to Madara in the VIZ translations, sorry buddy. I'll find it later and post it on this thread, can't be bothered to go searching for it right now. Not to mention that was a statement about Madara before he even became the leader of the clan, we are talking about Prime Madara. Invalid comparison anyway.

-Manga clearly disagrees as Madara was the leader, as Madara was the one hailed as one of the strongest Shinobi before Hashirama, not Izuna, as Madara was above Tobirama but Izuna lost to him.

You can go ahead and deny my inferences cause you don't see a scan of EMS Madara on them, it doesn't change the fact you literally have no refutation besides "Madara didn't show this".

@bold: I should be asking the guy who thinks Minato can tangle with a guy who stood up to Prime Hashirama if he thought this through using his brain before posting this nonsense. Then again, what more is there to expect when you are literally telling me that seeing Minato take out his Kunai and toss it towards him, he won't bother to activate Susanoo till its too late?

Smh....why do I even bother?
 
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No, its not a fallacy as Madara has shown to be superior to Itachi when it comes to reflexes and speed. So if Itachi can activate Susanoo quickly, Madara can do it as well as he has faster reactions. That simple.



Your point? It doesn't change the fact he pulled it off right before lighting hit him.



You obviously didn't read and/or understand the point.

-Rinnegan is irrelevant.

-SM let him dodge due to enhanced physical reflexes. He only needs to think in order to activate Susanoo, so saying he needs Sage Mode to do so is incorrect. Repeating this will only show me that you have no real refutation.



I only compared their Hiraishin teleportation, and they are equal in that as Hiraishin can't be faster than Hiraishin. Not to mention it was only stated his Shunshin is better. By feats Tobirama has faster reactions. (Reacting to Obito's blitz and tagging him 5 times)


Yes, it'd tank a SM Rasengan going by feats.



My inferences are valid going by what the manga shows, unlike the one you just made here. Its called using your brain, try it sometime.

-Izuna was never stated to be equal to Madara in the VIZ translations, sorry buddy. I'll find it later and post it on this thread, can't be bothered to go searching for it right now. Not to mention that was a statement about Madara before he even became the leader of the clan, we are talking about Prime Madara. Invalid comparison anyway.

-Manga clearly disagrees as Madara was the leader, as Madara was the one hailed as one of the strongest Shinobi before Hashirama, not Izuna, as Madara was above Tobirama but Izuna lost to him.

You can go ahead and deny my inferences cause you don't see a scan of EMS Madara on them, it doesn't change the fact you literally have no refutation besides "Madara didn't show this".

@bold: I should be asking the guy who thinks Minato can tangle with a guy who stood up to Prime Hashirama if he thought this through using his brain before posting this nonsense. Then again, what more is there to expect when you are literally telling me that seeing Minato take out his Kunai and toss it towards him, he won't bother to activate Susanoo till its too late?

Smh....why do I even bother?

Madara Never uses PS off bat, Plus it takes time to Stabilize. Not saying minato wins though, just pointing that out. Madara is cocky as shit and would underestimate minato just like he did... 5 FUQING KAGES!

I don't like when users put characters out of character...
 

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Madara Never uses PS off bat, Plus it takes time to Stabilize. Not saying minato wins though, just pointing that out. Madara is cocky as shit and would underestimate minato just like he did... 5 FUQING KAGES!

I don't like when users put characters out of character...

Ok, you have a point here.
 

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No, its not a fallacy as Madara has shown to be superior to Itachi when it comes to reflexes and speed. So if Itachi can activate Susanoo quickly, Madara can do it as well as he has faster reactions. That simple.



Your point? It doesn't change the fact he pulled it off right before lighting hit him.



You obviously didn't read and/or understand the point.

-Rinnegan is irrelevant.

-SM let him dodge due to enhanced physical reflexes. He only needs to think in order to activate Susanoo, so saying he needs Sage Mode to do so is incorrect. Repeating this will only show me that you have no real refutation.



I only compared their Hiraishin teleportation, and they are equal in that as Hiraishin can't be faster than Hiraishin. Not to mention it was only stated his Shunshin is better. By feats Tobirama has faster reactions. (Reacting to Obito's blitz and tagging him 5 times)


Yes, it'd tank a SM Rasengan going by feats.



My inferences are valid going by what the manga shows, unlike the one you just made here. Its called using your brain, try it sometime.

-Izuna was never stated to be equal to Madara in the VIZ translations, sorry buddy. I'll find it later and post it on this thread, can't be bothered to go searching for it right now. Not to mention that was a statement about Madara before he even became the leader of the clan, we are talking about Prime Madara. Invalid comparison anyway.

-Manga clearly disagrees as Madara was the leader, as Madara was the one hailed as one of the strongest Shinobi before Hashirama, not Izuna, as Madara was above Tobirama but Izuna lost to him.

You can go ahead and deny my inferences cause you don't see a scan of EMS Madara on them, it doesn't change the fact you literally have no refutation besides "Madara didn't show this".

@bold: I should be asking the guy who thinks Minato can tangle with a guy who stood up to Prime Hashirama if he thought this through using his brain before posting this nonsense. Then again, what more is there to expect when you are literally telling me that seeing Minato take out his Kunai and toss it towards him, he won't bother to activate Susanoo till its too late?

Smh....why do I even bother?

All speculation and inferences using flimsy evidence.

I'll wait for some scans of EMS Madara showing any of these capabilties you're giving him.
 

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All speculation and inferences using flimsy evidence.

I'll wait for some scans of EMS Madara showing any of these capabilties you're giving him.

lol, why did I predict this unintelligent, foolish response from you?

-Someone inferior to Madara when it comes to reaction time does something.

-Madara can't do the same.

Do you realize how little sense that makes? By your logic, someone who is a math expert can't do what a math rookie can do in math unless they have shown they can do so.

You can call it flimsy evidence or whatever you want to call it; (Even though it isn't) all I'm seeing here is you have no rebuttal. So I'm not even going to bother continuing.
 

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lol, why did I predict this unintelligent, idiotic response from you?

-Someone inferior to Madara when it comes to reaction time does something.

-Madara can't do the same.

Do you realize how little sense that makes? You can call it flimsy evidence or whatever you want to call it; (Even though it isn't) all I'm seeing here is you have no rebuttal. So I'm not even going to bother continuing.

Oh kill em...
 

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lol, why did I predict this unintelligent, foolish response from you?

-Someone inferior to Madara when it comes to reaction time does something.

-Madara can't do the same.

Do you realize how little sense that makes? By your logic, someone who is a math expert can't do what a math rookie can do in math unless they have shown they can do so.

You can call it flimsy evidence or whatever you want to call it; (Even though it isn't) all I'm seeing here is you have no rebuttal. So I'm not even going to bother continuing.

It's alright, I don't expect you to fully understand fallacies in debate when you haven't even taken a proper college composition course. You actually used two in your last post alone, Ad Hominem and Strawman.

I don't see any point in continuing either, since you haven't given me any feats from Madara but have only supplied flimsy speculation using ABC logic.

You'd have to PROVE Itachi is inferior in reaction time. Prove that, then I'll cede my argument.
 
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