[VS] EMS Madara and Tobirama vs SM Hashirama

Nattana

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Does Tobirama have ET? If yes then how mobile are his Edo?

If you give them speed of an average shinobi, they aren't catching up with Susanoo during its clash with Shinsuusenju to stay under its protection. Backlash damage of all the aoe going on renders them useless and unable to even set up GKF.

So basically, depening on conditions the team might win in scenario 1, but they definitely lose in scenario 2.
 

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Its not easy to tag, cause if you try to touch it, it'll hurt you due to the fact its heading toward you at a high speed. If a car was about to fall on you, at a high speed, and you tried to touch it, what's going to happen to your hand? It'll get hurt and the rest of your body gets crushed.

Wtf dude, hurting a clone doesn't matter period. I brought up Juubito situation for a reason since it fits the description perfectly. He clearly tagged Juubito when it blitz, which comes out much much much faster then SS Fist. It completely obliterated Tobirama's arm, the same arm he used to tag him. None of your example isn't giving a reason why Tobirama isn't going to tag its fist. Even your example for the car. If I touched the car, and it crushed me, can the police find finger prints of my hand print made to where I was crushed?


Then how in the world is he going to tag Shinsuusenju? From inside Susanoo? Lol.

Come on now, your going to act ignorant for the sake of arguing? Susanoo has feats to where he can have other users enter at will and that clearly means exit at will too, w/ cooperation. [ ][ > ].

What are you talking about?

You said this: "That's like saying he would touch Obito's fist and tag him as he ripped him apart with the Gudo Dama."

You gave a scenario action of Tobirama touching Obito's fist. The action you stated is already applied that he tagged his fist, which Obito decides to use Gudo Dama to kill him while he is at it.

If the action was not meant to interpret Tobirama already tagging his fist, as his attempt of trying, but gets Gudo Dama before he reaches his fist, then the example doesn't even follow the premise. Since he was killed before making contact.

No, the fact he is stupidly trying to tag the fist that is going to hit him is the reason why its neer going to happen. Lol...not even sure if serious with this. Are we this desperate for Tobirama to be a factor?

No the stupidity is the premise that Tobirama's clone is hopeless on contact and cannot touched the giant fist before getting crushed, when his speed tag has shown superior feat then the speed of SS fist. More like desperate for Tobirama, discrediting his feats.


Canonically cutting through any Mokuton in its path=/=Cutting through Shinsuusenju. Especially since he fought Hashirama for an extended period of time when they were Edos, Mokujin stood till the end. What happened to "Cutting through any Mokuton in its path" lmao. It simply uses the arms on its main body or the arms on its backpack to intercept.

Yes it does = Cutting through SS since SS = Mokuton. @Bold a scenario to which the manga shows Hashirama predict the sword movement and parrying from its devastating shockwave.

Except FTG is faster.

Tagging its fist, isn't going to let him teleport to its main body anyway. He'll teleport to the backpack.

Depending on which fist is tagged, that not it matters as multiple clones can be each tagged any corner of the backpack fist, making the teleport unpredictable and faster reaction to which SS can react to. Teleporting to whatever direction still will have one target w/ the sword and thats to SS's body. So whatever the location that is tagged is irrelevant.
 
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