[VS] EMS Madara and Tobirama vs SM Hashirama

[Penguin]

VOTE

Let's say Tobirama decided to help Madara.

Scenario 1.) Madara has the Kyuubi

Scenario 2.) Madara has no Kyuubi

 

[KidGamer65]

If Tobirama doesn't get killed in the crossfire of PS and Shinsuusenju, he can win this for Madara. Though he can stay in Susanoo the whole match, only coming out of shelter when Hashirama is exhausted, allowing him to swiftly finish him off. Team 1 wins in S1.

In S2, they lose. Tobirama isn't making up for the lack of Kurama here, and even if he stays in Susanoo for protection once Shinsuusenju comes out, it'll pound Susanoo into pieces along with Madara and Tobirama since it won't need to stop as its backpack of arms won't be destroyed due to Madara's lack in firepower.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

In S2, they lose. Tobirama isn't making up for the lack of Kurama here, and even if he stays in Susanoo for protection once Shinsuusenju comes out, it'll pound Susanoo into pieces along with Madara and Tobirama since it won't need to stop as its backpack of arms won't be destroyed due to Madara's lack in firepower.

Flying Thundergod, PS Slash, gg.


OT: Does Tobirama have Edo?

 

[KidGamer65]

Flying Thundergod, PS Slash, gg.


OT: Does Tobirama have Edo?

If you are telling me he teleports Hashirama into Madara's PS sword, you are going to have to explain how he manages to get to Hashirama and touch him while he's on top of Shinsuusenju. You are also going to have to tell me how he doesn't get turned into a pancake by its fists.

Yeah, don't kid yourself buddy. Tobirama isn't a factor here, not when PS and Shinsuusenju come out.

 

[A v i]

S1:Team 1 wins this.

S1: Hashirama shits on them.

 

[Bronze]

Madara wins alone.

He already drained SM Hashirama to their last percentage of Chakra and stamina. [

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] He already matched SM Hashirama in fire-power: their strongest techniques were demolished from both sides. Madara simply programs Izanagi to where he and Hashirama are out of Chakra, then stabs him from behind.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If you are telling me he teleports Hashirama into Madara's PS sword, you are going to have to explain how he manages to get to Hashirama and touch him while he's on top of Shinsuusenju. You are also going to have to tell me how he doesn't get turned into a pancake by its fists.

Sending a clone to tag or mark Shinsuusenju.

Yeah, don't kid yourself buddy. Tobirama isn't a factor here, not when PS and Shinsuusenju come out.

Unless he has Edo Tensei.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sending a clone to tag or mark Shinsuusenju.

1. Assuming a clone makes it before it pounds it. Which it won't. Definitely not happening.

2. He'll only be able to teleport to where the marking is. If the marking is on its foot or something he'll only teleport to its foot, and that goes along with number one.

Unless he has Edo Tensei.

Too bad he doesn't as OP never specified.

 

[The return of NOUA]

1. Madara wins with Tobirama high diff

2. Hashirama wins high diff

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. Assuming a clone makes it before it pounds it. Which it won't. Definitely not happening.

I mean the clone will be the fastest user in this match up so I dont see the problem. Also we already seen Tobirama sacrificing his body in order to tag Juuibto. The same can be apply for the clone. Hashirama pounds clone, clone goes proof but makes the marking

2. He'll only be able to teleport to where the marking is. If the marking is on its foot or something he'll only teleport to its foot, and that goes along with number one.

Pretty sure thats not true as FTG has a larger parameter they can use choose. If you premise was true, then shouldn't the Juubidama be an inch away from the tag[

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Too bad he doesn't as OP never specified.

Fine.

 

[KidGamer65]

I mean the clone will be the fastest user in this match up so I dont see the problem. Also we already seen Tobirama sacrificing his body in order to tag Juuibto. The same can be apply for the clone. Hashirama pounds clone, clone goes proof but makes the marking

Being the fastest doesn't mean that it'll dodge hundreds of fists raining down at him at the same time, that have a range much larger than the area of space Full Kurama would take up. Fists that are fast enough to intercept Bijuu Dama from Kurama, which crossed the ocean in a split second. And Tobirama was able do that because he was an Edo Zombie, not a Shadow Clone, which poofs on impact. Shinsuusenju's giant fists ram down into the clone, it tries to mark a fist but gets pounded instead.

Pretty sure thats not true as FTG has a larger parameter they can use choose. If you premise was true, then shouldn't the Juubidama be an inch away from the tag[

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It doesn't need to be an inch away to validate my argument.

The Parameter has never been shown to be so large that he can tag the bottom of a Mountain sized construct and then teleport to the top of it. Nothing in the manga shows this and that includes your scan.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Being the fastest doesn't mean that it'll dodge hundreds of fists raining down at him at the same time, that have a range much larger than the area of space Full Kurama would take up. Fists that are fast enough to intercept Bijuu Dama from Kurama, which crossed the ocean in a split second. And Tobirama was able do that because he was an Edo Zombie, not a Shadow Clone, which poofs on impact. Shinsuusenju's giant fists ram down into the clone, it tries to mark a fist but gets pounded instead.

Fist being fast enough to intercept TBB<<<<< Hand being fast enough to tag a blitzing Juubito 5 times+FTG seal while getting the same hand blown off.

So once Tobirama clone gets punched and go poof, the same interpretation applies he tags the fist.

It doesn't need to be an inch away to validate my argument.

The Parameter has never been shown to be so large that he can tag the bottom of a Mountain sized construct and then teleport to the top of it. Nothing in the manga shows this and that includes your scan.

I mean the same fist that pound Tobirama clone is going to arch back and swing some more. (Depending which side punched the clone) if the top one hits then it can teleport to the top of it. If not then PS catches him from the side.

 

[ARGUS]

SCENARIO 1: Madara and Tobirama win

--Madara can armor Tobirama within his susanoo so that he is safe from the onslaught of PS and Kurama, and even if SS prevails over it like it did in canon, tobirama would be fresh, and certainly land a mark on exhausted base hashirama thus allowing the duo to win

SCENARIO 2: Hashirama still wins this

--Having no kyuubi for madara means that his PS doesnt stand a chance against SS, neiither does tobirama help much, since his FTG is easily bypassed by the huge AOE of these constructs, and madara lacking kurama here means that his firepower is vastly decreased, therefore leading to hashirama crushing their defenses and the duo along with it

 

[KidGamer65]

Fist being fast enough to intercept TBB<<<<< Hand being fast enough to tag a blitzing Juubito 5 times+FTG seal while getting the same hand blown off.

So once Tobirama clone gets punched and go poof, the same interpretation applies he tags the fist.

Its not getting popped because of its speed, its simply because of its scale and size. Not to mention its completely different from the Juubito situation. He marked Obito's back before he got hit. You are telling me he's going to tag the fist that is about to pound him into the ground. That's like saying he would touch Obito's fist and tag him as he ripped him apart with the Gudo Dama.

Not happening. If he tries to touch a fist that is near the size of full Kurama, coming at him at high speeds. He gets pasted and never gets to plant his marking.

I mean the same fist that pound Tobirama clone is going to arch back and swing some more. (Depending which side punched the clone) if the top one hits then it can teleport to the top of it.

If only that would ever happen. Knowledge on all of Tobirama's capabilities helps anyway.

If not then PS catches him from the side.

Lol. Then it gets pounded into the dirt. Even if it swings its sword from the side, it isn't taking out what it took PS and Kurama to take out.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Its not getting popped because of its speed, its simply because of its scale and size. Not to mention its completely different from the Juubito situation. He marked Obito's back before he got hit. You are telling me he's going to tag the fist that is about to pound him into the ground. That's like saying he would touch Obito's fist and tag him as he ripped him apart with the Gudo Dama.

Not happening. If he tries to touch a fist that is near the size of full Kurama, coming at him at high speeds. He gets pasted and never gets to plant his marking.

Bold: What are you talking about here?

How does the differ situation change the fact that the fist is an easy target to tag? P.S. Tobirama tagged his ribcage.

Underline: Yes since the situation shows the large target fist is any easy target to put his hands right in front of it and tag it. And while he is at it he slaps 5 useless explosive tags for the hell of it.

Bold Underline: Since when was my premise state he is in the ground, when I address your point to where Sussanoo is coating Tobirama via PS?

Italic: What????? How the hell is that the same situation that proves he can't tagged SS fist? And how does that example disprove that Tobirama wouldn't succeed in tagging his fist when he already grabbed his fist in your example?

If only that would ever happen. Knowledge on all of Tobirama's capabilities helps anyway.

It would happen. Having knowledge on Tobirama isnt going to stop a big ass target from getting tagged

Lol. Then it gets pounded into the dirt. Even if it swings its sword from the side, it isn't taking out what it took PS and Kurama to take out.

Yes it is as PS sword canonically cut through any Mokuton on its path. Instead of aiming on its backpack Madara aims at the body, chopping down its cornerstone. And this time with shockwave extension.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Tobirama adds nothing. Once Ps is beat off Kurama one punch from Shinsuusenju obliterates them.

 

[Dark Riku]

Hashirama wins in both scenarios.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bold: What are you talking about here?

How does the differ situation change the fact that the fist is an easy target to tag? P.S. Tobirama tagged his ribcage.

Its not easy to tag, cause if you try to touch it, it'll hurt you due to the fact its heading toward you at a high speed. If a car was about to fall on you, at a high speed, and you tried to touch it, what's going to happen to your hand? It'll get hurt and the rest of your body gets crushed.

Underline: Yes since the situation shows the large target fist is any easy target to put his hands right in front of it and tag it. And while he is at it he slaps 5 useless explosive tags for the hell of it.

Read above. This "tag Shinsuusenju's fist" business isn't happening here.

Bold Underline: Since when was my premise state he is in the ground, when I address your point to where Sussanoo is coating Tobirama via PS?

Then how in the world is he going to tag Shinsuusenju? From inside Susanoo? Lol.

Italic: What????? How the hell is that the same situation that proves he can't tagged SS fist? And how does that example disprove that Tobirama wouldn't succeed in tagging his fist when he already grabbed his fist in your example?

What are you talking about?

It would happen. Having knowledge on Tobirama isnt going to stop a big ass target from getting tagged

No, the fact he is stupidly trying to tag the fist that is going to hit him is the reason why its neer going to happen. Lol...not even sure if serious with this. Are we this desperate for Tobirama to be a factor?

Yes it is as PS sword canonically cut through any Mokuton on its path. Instead of aiming on its backpack Madara aims at the body, chopping down its cornerstone. And this time with shockwave extension.

Canonically cutting through any Mokuton in its path=/=Cutting through Shinsuusenju. Especially since he fought Hashirama for an extended period of time when they were Edos, Mokujin stood till the end. What happened to "Cutting through any Mokuton in its path" lmao. It simply uses the arms on its main body or the arms on its backpack to intercept.

Tagging its fist, isn't going to let him teleport to its main body anyway. He'll teleport to the backpack.

 

[Unorthodox]

Hashirama wins both scenarios the main body of Shinsuusenjutsu didnt have a sratch

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Hashirama knowing he will have two opponents will push his limits even more and swatting tobirama then finishes Madara like he did in canon

 

[RicardoA]

Scenario 1: Most likely the team wins. Madara alone was able to push Hashirama to his limits, Tobirama would be the determining factor when the other two exhaust themselves.

Scenario 2: The team gets turned into peanut butter by Hashi's Buddha.