Empowerment of women, do you agree ?

[Reraru]

I don't wanna discuss it ghhh. I don't like the points.

 

[GhostProject]

I would like to know your philosophy even if it is out of context, so that I can understand fully

Some of these "empowerment" videos have a key concept behind them: Accept everything I do, I accept no personal responsibility. This is not the real world. My philosophy is simple to people that need everyone's acceptance. Simply surround yourself with like-minds, instead of trying to bully acceptance out of others.

Not everyone agrees or gets along. I don't expect the world to approve of everything I do, everything I listen to, or even everything I believe. I expect this to a degree from my friends or people I've been able to positively affect, or those that positively affect me. I don't expect outsiders to have an understanding of me, or to be free of their judgement. Nobody can promise such a thing.

For example, I hear from a lot of girls my age about how everyone should accept them having one night stands with multiple people a week. I'll show them respect and tolerance, but I cannot be much of a friend to them, because it is an important freedom to them, but one that isn't a priority to me (I value close friend circles and relationships, our interests even as friends will be inherently different under most circumstances). So I typically don't associate with those like this regularly. But they find people who believe the same as them, and I only hope that they may find those who accept them and be happy with that.

In context of this video, no, I will not accept nor respect you to a meaningful degree if cheating is an important value to you. In fact, I won't go that far, I'll simply not associate with such a person. If this is her value system, she should find others that accept those choices, not preach for acceptance from random people.

"My music, your noise, your sins, my virtue .........." to me sings the very nature of our existence. I can tell you people that don't approve of what I do, such as having a few drinks on the weekend and playing video games with friends, or even just my personality. There's also those that don't care what I do. Then there's the world that actually affects me, and that is my personal choice on who I surround myself with. I don't try to bully acceptance from those that simply don't like me.

I tried to make this as short and relevant as possible, but this is how I feel about these grey lines of morality vs acceptance. Nobody is going to accept you for everything you do, and half of the people won't care about what you do. In a video that attempts to escape the responsibility of cheating and wants the world to accept it. I answer no. Find others that accept it, but I'll have nothing to do with it.

And for the record, I am pro human rights.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

I don't wanna discuss it ghhh. I don't like the points.

My points or the video's?

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Some of these "empowerment" videos have a key concept behind them: Accept everything I do, I accept no personal responsibility. This is not the real world. My philosophy is simple to people that need everyone's acceptance. Simply surround yourself with like-minds, instead of trying to bully acceptance out of others.

Not everyone agrees or gets along. I don't expect the world to approve of everything I do, everything I listen to, or even everything I believe. I expect this to a degree from my friends or people I've been able to positively affect, or those that positively affect me. I don't expect outsiders to have an understanding of me, or to be free of their judgement. Nobody can promise such a thing.

For example, I hear from a lot of girls my age about how everyone should accept them having one night stands with multiple people a week. I'll show them respect and tolerance, but I cannot be much of a friend to them, because it is an important freedom to them, but one that isn't a priority to me (I value close friend circles and relationships, our interests even as friends will be inherently different under most circumstances). So I typically don't associate with those like this regularly. But they find people who believe the same as them, and I only hope that they may find those who accept them and be happy with that.

In context of this video, no, I will not accept nor respect you to a meaningful degree if cheating is an important value to you. In fact, I won't go that far, I'll simply not associate with such a person. If this is her value system, she should find others that accept those choices, not preach for acceptance from random people.

"My music, your noise, your sins, my virtue .........." to me sings the very nature of our existence. I can tell you people that don't approve of what I do, such as having a few drinks on the weekend and playing video games with friends, or even just my personality. There's also those that don't care what I do. Then there's the world that actually affects me, and that is my personal choice on who I surround myself with. I don't try to bully acceptance from those that simply don't like me.

I tried to make this as short and relevant as possible, but this is how I feel about these grey lines of morality vs acceptance. Nobody is going to accept you for everything you do, and half of the people won't care about what you do. In a video that attempts to escape the responsibility of cheating and wants the world to accept it. I answer no. Find others that accept it, but I'll have nothing to do with it.

And for the record, I am pro human rights.

I think it is specifically aimed at people's spouses. My philosophy is the same. If she is my spouse, and a situation for arises, I believe both people should try. If the situation is extreme and no compromises can be made, then either party should be free to walk out. But saying that only one should compromise is not acceptable.

 

[BlazeRelease]

Ha! Bull shit.

 

[GhostProject]

I think it is specifically aimed at people's spouses. My philosophy is the same. If she is my spouse, and a situation for arises, I believe both people should try. If the situation is extreme and no compromises can be made, then either party should be free to walk out. But saying that only one should compromise is not acceptable.

Yep. The whole "Don't be fooled if I come home at 6" is a troubling statement. Is she seriously saying that if she chooses to cheat on me in this example, that is my problem? lmao, sounds shallow.

Also, the whole "I am the universe" is an ironic statement. If she treats her lovers like dirt (cheating, selfishness, uncompromising), then it's no wonder she has trouble finding acceptance. Has little to do with being a woman, or empowerment imo.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Ha! Bull shit.

Succinctly summarised

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

There's no problem in empowering women that should be done but if i talk about the video, let's say women should be able to make their choices wisely ( it's same for any man ) not putting themselves or any other person in harms way and that's what gonna happen if they make their choices unwisely and say it's my choice .

 

[Ken Kaneki]

There's no problem in empowering women that should be done but if i talk about the video, let's say women should be able to make their choices wisely ( it's same for any man ) not putting themselves or any other person in harms way and that's what gonna happen if they make their choices unwisely and say it's my choice .

Nobody here is against Women Empowerment. But the way Vogue has defined it is a problem.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Nobody here is against Women Empowerment. But the way Vogue has defined it is a problem.

I wasn't pointing at anyone just said it as a fact and what i said above is a personal opinion normally i don't follow the popular beliefs .

 

[Ken Kaneki]

I wasn't pointing at anyone just said it as a fact and what i said above is a personal opinion normally i don't follow the popular beliefs .

I didn't mean to be critical. Sorry if it came off that way.

 

[Goetia]

Good to know that even the Aussies are on board.

Not all of us are complete ****ing idiots.

OT:

1. I would not imagine so, unless of course an individual is no longer married or in the process of splitting up from their marriage.

2. If one does not wish to have a child, then that is the parent's decision and theirs alone.

3. I really don't know what reason a woman, married and all, would be making their way home that early in the morning or late home unless it was for their job.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Not all of us are complete ****ing idiots.

OT:

1. I would not imagine so, unless of course an individual is no longer married or in the process of splitting up from their marriage.

2. If one does not wish to have a child, then that is the parent's decision and theirs alone.

3. I really don't know what reason a woman, married and all, would be making their way home that early in the morning or late home unless it was for their job.

Never implied Aussies are idiots.

 

[Avani]

The women in the video is a famous Indian actress
Now naturally this has sparked controversy. While many of the things in video are justified, do you agree with the following :-

1) *** outside marriage is justified ?
2) To have your baby or not to have it?
3) Don't be fooled if I come at 4 AM or 6 PM?(The way it is portrayed implying infidelity)
4) My music, your noise, your sins, my virtue ..........

I have no problem with a women loving women, having *** before marriage or even getting a divorce if she is unhappy. But the above points challenge my understanding of empowerment.

What about you ? Do you agree with Vogue's version of empowerment ? I would also like to know your country to see the difference across nations/cultures. I am from India.

1) *** outside marriage is justified ?

Nope. But it's not really making a case for having *** outside the marriage- It's more like saying " I like acting like a selfish idiot- my choice". I see two scenarios why someone would add it:

(I)Whatever they wanted to say, came out wrong for some reason. For example :

They may have meant to say that even if someone is indulging in such behaviour for some reason even then it doesn't give others( Third parties) a right judge her and use the situation for their own advantage.

Kind of for cases where some people try to justify a rape on basis of character of the woman. In this scenario it often happens that the party accused of raping tries to neutralize the incident by tarnishing the image of the victim by attempting to raise suspicion about her character. Such a practice often leads to victims not reporting the incident in the first place to avoid further psychological trauma.

(II) Whoever wrote it didn't give it much thought.

2) To have your baby or not to have it?

Why not? This is one major issue directly related with abortion and affects the the woman in many ways- physically, mentally, economially, socially. In some countries women are not able to get one even in most dire situations, while in others they are forcd to undergo an abortion because the fetus is declared female- in either case often the female's opinion or even her medical condition physical or mental means little by the husband/in laws.

3) Don't be fooled if I come at 4 AM or 6 PM?(The way it is portrayed implying infidelity)

No it only means do not judge someone based on what time they are coming back- if someone is returning home at 4 AM doesn't necessarily mean they were out for some mischief. They might just be out working all night or may have some other valid reason. It's more for those who believe women shouldn't be out after it gets dark. Remember the Delhi rape case? Rapists tiried to justify that the girl was returning home late night.

4) My music, your noise, your sins, my virtue ..........

No idea what you want to say here...

 

[Wabbit]

For a country a which needs a change in societies attitudes towards woman where many think their woman and children as a property to do burn and beat them and shit and then these so called feminists busy doing these kind of shit.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I really don't care, as long as their empowerment doesn't affect me negatively.

 

[Sugiyama]

These people take women empowerment to a whole new level.
Cheating is an appalling act no matter how they try depict it as a personal right which no one has the right to judge them upon. Cheating is like any other wicked act that cannot be justified no matter what.
When two people get married, they're no longer separate individuals; they should regard themselves as one entity. And as such, they should consider that making decisions should imply both of them. I don't agree with abortion either way (except in certain cases), but in this case the husband should have a say in the matter just as much as the wife .
I don't like the "the men do it so we have the right to do it too" approach. A wrong act is wrong for both genders; it should be denounced not encouraged under the flag of equality. a married man shouldn't come home at 6am; and a married woman shouldn't come home that late either (except if either had an excuse), since it's disrespectful to the conjugal relationship that ties them.
Bottom line, I find this video and the premise behind it to be quite unreasonable and counterproductive.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Knew this was coming.

1) *** outside marriage is justified ?

Nope. But it's not really making a case for having *** outside the marriage- It's more like saying " I like acting like a selfish idiot- my choice". I see two scenarios why someone would add it:

Agreed till here

(I)Whatever they wanted to say, came out wrong for some reason. For example :

They may have meant to say that even if someone is indulging in such behaviour for some reason even then it doesn't give others( Third parties) a right judge her and use the situation for their own advantage.

Kind of for cases where some people try to justify a rape on basis of character of the woman. In this scenario it often happens that the party accused of raping tries to neutralize the incident by tarnishing the image of the victim by attempting to raise suspicion about her character. Such a practice often leads to victims not reporting the incident in the first place to avoid further psychological trauma.

This video in generality is aimed at spouses/boyfriends not society, at least that is what I can decipher from it. The last part makes this clear. So I don't think they mean to say that society is judging a women for having a certain character. It came out exactly the way they wanted it to come out, i.e. you(spouse) should not mind if I go outside marriage. This is corroborated by the undertone where she speaks, I am universe, I am infinite, I am unbound............. So they mean exactly what they have put here.

(II) Whoever wrote it didn't give it much thought.

Thought was there. Vogue, a director, an actress, so many women, this was not a small scale thing. Many people/minds were included.

2) To have your baby or not to have it?

Why not? This is one major issue directly related with abortion and affects the the woman in many ways- physically, mentally, economially, socially. In some countries women are not able to get one even in most dire situations, while in others they are forcd to undergo an abortion because the fetus is declared female- in either case often the female's opinion or even her medical condition physical or mental means little by the husband/in laws.

As, I said earlier on this thread also, "2) In most countries women have to right to have a baby or not, irrespective of any reasons. It is her right. I feel that if the couple is married and *** was consentual, and there are no medical complications, then the opinion of both should matter."

Let's not talk about other countries because the target audience here is India. In India, women can abort if they want. But if they choose to have the baby, the liability is joint. So in a case where the *** was consensual, they are married and no complications are there, why should only a women's opinion matter when if she chooses to have the baby, the responsibility is of both?

3) Don't be fooled if I come at 4 AM or 6 PM?(The way it is portrayed implying infidelity)

No it only means do not judge someone based on what time they are coming back- if someone is returning home at 4 AM doesn't necessarily mean they were out for some mischief. They might just be out working all night or may have some other valid reason. It's more for those who believe women shouldn't be out after it gets dark. Remember the Delhi rape case? Rapists tiried to justify that the girl was returning home late night.

No it does not mean that. See what is on the video when she says this. She is putting on her undergarments and what she wants to say is pretty clear as well.

4) My music, your noise, your sins, my virtue ..........

No idea what you want to say here...

I just wanted to ask people what do they think about compromise, because clearly in the last part she is talking about compromises that have to be made and that she won't make any. So in order for the relationship to survive, who makes the compromises? Men? All the time? So there is no middle ground? Your way or the high way? I don't agree with this line of thought.

 

[Avani]

Knew this was coming.



Agreed till here



This video in generality is aimed at spouses/boyfriends not society, at least that is what I can decipher from it. The last part makes this clear. So I don't think they mean to say that society is judging a women for having a certain character. It came out exactly the way they wanted it to come out, i.e. you(spouse) should not mind if I go outside marriage. This is corroborated by the undertone where she speaks, I am universe, I am infinite, I am unbound............. So they mean exactly what they have put here.

Not exactly. Rather at men/society. I still think it came out wrong- the guy probably wanted to say having the right to have *** without marriage when he said "outside of marriage" and not referring infidelity. If he really meant that when he wrote that he is an idiot. Same for Deepika.

Thought was there. Vogue, a director, an actress, so many women, this was not a small scale thing. Many people/minds were included.

The actresses in the video were female but the script writer Kersi Khambatta, director Homi Adajania, producer Dinesh Vijan and cameraman Yusuf are me. Women here are just following the script and director. Ironic as it maybe...

As, I said earlier on this thread also, "2) In most countries women have to right to have a baby or not, irrespective of any reasons. It is her right.

I don't think you understand the point...

I feel that if the couple is married and *** was consentual, and there are no medical complications, then the opinion of both should matter."

That's a different issue. Normally married women consider the opinion of their partner or the marriages break up or get serious jolts. Especially if the reason for abortion are too selfish. But it's still her right to make the last decision. The other party has a choice to walk away or plan things out in a way that suits both.

Let's not talk about other countries because the target audience here is India. In India, women can abort if they want.

And yet number of illegal abortion exceeds the number of legal ones... Abortion is legal only in cases where there is a medical risk to mother or baby etc. So you don't need to worry about mother getting an abortion without spousal consent and if the other party doesn't consent and wants his wife to risk her physical or mental health then why should she worry about consent of such a self centered person?

But if they choose to have the baby, the liability is joint. So in a case where the *** was consensual, they are married and no complications are there, why should only a women's opinion matter when if she chooses to have the baby, the responsibility is of both?

Define complications. If there aren't any, normally people don't opt for abortion. If they are considering the option there is usually a reason. Besides, you are thinking about responsibility of only raising the kid. Male body doesn't have to take any medical risk or strain on their body for the year. Body goes through many permanent changes and some problems may persist for forever. They are not likely to lose a job or chances of promotion either. In this era when there is less guarantee than ever, that the hubby will stick around till old age, and housewives are looked down upon, you should not be surprised if the woman in question wants to decide whether she want a baby or not and when. She is the one who is going to get more affected among the two.

No it does not mean that. See what is on the video when she says this. She is putting on her undergarments and what she wants to say is pretty clear as well.

I am just going by the words you posted- 'don't be a fool if I come at 4 am or 6 Pm'- that still can be said that the time a woman is returning is not evidence of her character. Someone may be out for mischief day, after all.

I just wanted to ask people what do they think about compromise, because clearly in the last part she is talking about compromises that have to be made and that she won't make any. So in order for the relationship to survive, who makes the compromises? Men? All the time? So there is no middle ground? Your way or the high way? I don't agree with this line of thought.

Oh please you are giving way too much consideration for a silly video, third rate attempt at being poetic in the message written, directed and produced by males. They have made it as steamy as they could in the name of feminism. Some sentences make sense others don't. Deepika is doing what she does-- delivering dialogues from the script- many of the bits don't even make much sense. For her it's just a publicity stunt. They all meant to catch attention. They got it.

Issues it raised are somewhat relevant to some women's issues as I said above but the wording and attitude in the video and the sleazy bits don't really caters to female cause that much. Most feminists and even other celebrities are already mocking the video, aren't they?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Women, go **** yourself for all I care. I'm not interested. I'm gonna marry a virgin woman who is raised well by her parents and I'll make sure to make her the happiest woman in the world, because I would care for my wife in the end. To be the best man in the world for her, that is.

All this bullshit in that video. Freedom and shit. I'm not against it. Just I wasn't raised in other community outside Saudi Arabia. We Saudis are full of ourselves. We brag. We showoff and shit. But when it comes to marriage. We pick virgins. Yeah, a majority of Saudi men being *******s to their women. It varies from one couple to another. Rarely to hear a successful couple who hardly argued each other. One way or the other, money somehow the reason. It's a long off-topic issue.