Eliminating privacy invasion/ Minimize Banning members

[Bright Master]

I'll get straight to the point.

Privacy invasion is something I've recently found out has been going on within NarutoBase. Members are all vulnerable to private messages being viewed by NB staff. This is completely uncalled for due to the fact that Majority of members here are loyal and participating members in terms of actually visiting this site for one another, using your popular rp system, and the security and annonmitity we all have here. However, administrators, Global moderators and even regular moderators can view every single thing, From private messages to private group messages.

Each member should be held valuable to the a NarutoBase community.

Suggestion: Disallow staff/authorities to view our private messages. (Exception for site owner and trusted admins)




This is actually to help Narutobase in terms of population.

As we know, mods got tired of banning members and completely killed registration. Therefore, narutobase can only go downhill from here. More people will eighter quit NB or becomes banned due to various reasons (I.e. No privacy, quick bans) so to help narutobase in numbers...

Suggestion: do not ban members unless the flaw is completely unforgivable.


Now, before closing this thread, I'd like to discuss this topic with a staff member, or anyone who totally disagrees with me.

 

[Nathan]

Why make another thread? Could have just edited your post. \

Staff can only see PM if the PM is reported by a member. Obviously admins can see PM's as well, but they do it manually and I think they have better things to do then snoop though yours, and everyone's PM's.

That still isn't something that should really be used, why do that in the first place?

Only the two members involved in the PM's can the messages so if one reports, it's up to that person; they might feel uncomfortable with the messages they are getting, or they know the other party is breaking the rules. I doubt they will look at your PM's if the two people are cybering. You are using private messages on their site, the admins can see if they chose too. If you want to be more private use Skype or something, that's what a lot of others do.

They get banned for breaking the rules, or reaching three points. It's not that hard to follow the rules, people chose not to.

"As we know, mods got tired of banning members and completely killed registration." - Pretty sure that isn't the case, we don't know why they closed them, we probably won't. It's up to them.

Oh and if you haven't figure it out, I disagree with you, nothing personal of course though.

Let the mods rot in their own stupidity. You can't close registrations to a website and expect it to be productive.

You say that, but yet you still come here?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Don't forget that the messages you post are also auto saved as you type...

No privacy...

 

[Unbiased]

You say that, but yet you still come here?

Exactly. Anyone who used the base actively since 2012 can see how it went downhill. Closing registrations does nothing to benefit the website. It's killing it off. Whatever reason they have, probably doesn't justify the death of a once lively site.

 

[Bright Master]

Why make another thread? Could have just edited your post. \


Staff can only see PM if the PM is reported by a member. Obviously admins can see PM's as well, but they do it manually and I think they have better things to do then snoop though yours, and everyone's PM's.

And the rules are simple to follow, but not nessecarily easy, in my personal opinion.






They get banned for breaking the rules, or reaching three points. It's not that hard to follow the rules, people chose not to.

"As we know, mods got tired of banning members and completely killed registration." - Pretty sure that isn't the case, we don't know why they closed them, we probably won't. It's up to them.

Oh and if you haven't figure it out, I disagree with you, nothing personal of course though.



You say that, but yet you still come here?

Of course, I understand.

But that in fact, is not completely true. Moderators do not need a pm report the view the users private messages. For as far as I know, a moderator can use ones private messages in ANY case of reporting. This is only to say the least, though.

As a reply to my quote, I apologized for phrasing it wrong. I meant to say "as we know... Got tired banned members creating new accounts." I will edit that. And if you wouldn't hold nay to my word here, I do recall a staff member saying specifically that members who get banned should "just follow the rules instead of making a new account." However, I cannot cite this, nor recall who said it.

And unbiased comes here because of his fellow members. Not because of moderators. Though his opinion on them was a bit rash.

 

[Unbiased]

Of course, I understand.

But that in fact, is not completely true. Moderators do not need a pm report the view the users private messages. For as far as I know, a moderator can use ones private messages in ANY case of reporting. This is only to say the least, though.

As a reply to my quote, I apologized for phrasing it wrong. I meant to say "as we know... Got tired banned members creating new accounts." I will edit that. And if you wouldn't hold nay to my word here, I do recall a staff member saying specifically that members who get banned should "just follow the rules instead of making a new account." However, I cannot cite this, nor recall who said it.

And unbiased comes here because of his fellow members. Not because of moderators. Though his opinion on them was a bit rash.

My opinion is always going to be rash because the site is dead compared to how it was. There were ALOT of people here in 2011 and 2012, I didn't create an account till 2012 but I visited here a lot in 2011. It's just a shame that it's slowly being killed off.

 

[Bright Master]

My opinion is always going to be rash because the site is dead compared to how it was. There were ALOT of people here in 2011 and 2012, I didn't create an account till 2012 but I visited here a lot in 2011. It's just a shame that it's slowly being killed off.

And this is an agreed point. With the high levels of bans, and the inability for new members to come in, it's no wonder why the base is being killed softly and gradually. In the end, the mountain we know as narutobase will once again be a simple plain surface. And this is saddening.

 

[Nathan]

Of course, I understand.

But that in fact, is not completely true. Moderators do not need a pm report the view the users private messages. For as far as I know, a moderator can use ones private messages in ANY case of reporting. This is only to say the least, though.

As a reply to my quote, I apologized for phrasing it wrong. I meant to say "as we know... Got tired banned members creating new accounts." I will edit that. And if you wouldn't hold nay to my word here, I do recall a staff member saying specifically that members who get banned should "just follow the rules instead of making a new account." However, I cannot cite this, nor recall who said it.

And unbiased comes here because of his fellow members. Not because of moderators. Though his opinion on them was a bit rash.

Yes they do, I am a Gmod on another site, and even if I wanted to; I can't see PM's unless they are reported, I just can't.
Well, the rules are very easy to follow, like really easy compared to some other sites I've been a member of.

I came and posted in this thread not because of the staff or normal members, I came here to cite my own opinion; it's not a biased opinion either, just what I think and what I've seen over the years that is all. ^^

My opinion is always going to be rash because the site is dead compared to how it was. There were ALOT of people here in 2011 and 2012, I didn't create an account till 2012 but I visited here a lot in 2011. It's just a shame that it's slowly being killed off.

NB has a lot of members compared to other forums. That being said, you don't need a lot of members to make a forum good, you just need good active members who are willing to make this place a good forum to come to; to discuss, rp or whatever your reason is that you come here, but again that being said you need a good set of staff to keep this place from ending up full of trolls, but you understand what I mean, I hope.

 

[Pekoms]

Of course, I understand.

But that in fact, is not completely true. Moderators do not need a pm report the view the users private messages. For as far as I know, a moderator can use ones private messages in ANY case of reporting. This is only to say the least, though.

Spoiler

Staff can only see PM if the PM is reported by a member. Obviously admins can see PM's as well, but they do it manually and I think they have better things to do then snoop though yours, and everyone's PM's.

Only the two members involved in the PM's can the messages so if one reports, it's up to that person; they might feel uncomfortable with the messages they are getting, or they know the other party is breaking the rules. I doubt they will look at your PM's if the two people are cybering. You are using private messages on their site, the admins can see if they chose too. If you want to be more private use Skype or something, that's what a lot of others do.

First off, I'd like to confirm that everything Nathan said in the two above quotes is entirely true and reasonable. Unless a member reports a private message they either created or received, then the staff (barring the administrators) can only see their own private message inbox. Now, if you think we shouldn't be able to view a reported PM, then I must disagree with you. People do not report quaint little greetings and the like. On the contrary, members report private messages that contain demeaning/inappropriate/insulting content and were sent to irk the receiver. So, the administrators and the rest of the staff would prefer not to get swept up into "he said/she said" issues. Like with any other report, we cannot act on a supposed violation without tangible proof that there is indeed a member whose uncouth behavior needs curtailing. To be honest, private messages are very rarely reported and nine out of ten times, the situation is just as I described above; the remaining one-tenth is advertising other forums, for recruitment purposes. In any event, it is the moderators whom are responsible for the daily instances of rule breaking, not the administrators. The latter party has duties that far outweigh infracting someone for a message that in content, is no different from most visitor messages of similar nature/intent.

Suggestion: do not ban members unless the flaw is completely unforgivable.

If a member gets banned, for any length of time, that is because they failed to comply with the forum rules. Simply put, there is no valid excuse as to why someone cannot adhere to a list of violations, as they've been around from get-go and a link to the rules is included in each warning/infraction given. The staff doesn't just do "quick bans"; the general staff (blue and pink moderators) can only hand out warnings/infractions, with a three-pointer being the most we can do for a single post/violation which is merely a one day ban. Of course, additional infractions can easily increase the length of a ban, but that much should be entirely evident. People aren't getting permanently banned for a single instance of violating the rules unless the content is extremely inappropriate and is excessive in the number of issues it brings forth. Now, this all goes back to the members, whom are valued, but are also treated with enough respect to be held accountable for their actions. In most instances, an infraction is a single point, which means one must accumulate three before they expire after a measly ten day period. As a simple observation, it is quite hard to accumulate are great deal of active points unless one has no regard for the rules and in many cases, is fully aware of the sanctions inbound upon being caught/reported. The idea behind warning/infractions is to not just punish a given member, but have them learn from their errors. Just like anywhere you might go, when stepping away from this site, leniency is something that can quickly be rescinded when people repetitiously fail to improve their behavior. You may think another member was banned for a single post, but in most instances they simply accumulated infractions from other threads or even sections of the site. The last thing I will include is that if the situation is justified, and the member doesn't have a significant infraction history, they will more oft than not be given warnings in place of infractions. Please understand that what you perceive is not necessarily everything.​

 

[Klaus]

Moderators cannot see private messages unless those specific messages are reported, you say to be true, right? This cannot be true, and forgive me or correct me if at any point I am mistaken, but I am aware that a ceartin member was Internet Protocol banned recently, for having another account after he has Been banned previously on a different account. It was only three to four people who knew exactly whom that person was, and after one of them found out, they reported him. If I am not mistaken, reports are generally redirected to eighter moderators or Global moderators. Wrong or no? Also note, the nature of that report was completely unrelated to private messaging. Afterwards, it became proven of is identity. They proved it with Multiple screenshots of private messages sent between that person, and another who knew his identity. After that judgement was made, he was What one here would call: "Perma-banned".

So my prime question becomes : If a moderator could not access private messages, how did they obtain those screenshots?

Also my dear superior, I have had a case in which I was banned without three points, one infraction w/no warning. Souly for alleged spamming, and I was not even aware of it. Right around the annual "Rp close up".


And Nathan, with all due respect, your opinion is biased because you have been a global moderator before. So you then sympatise with others who have shared it as well.

Sigh...

I'll try to explain in a simple and short way.
Moderators can NOT access a members PM's unless a specific PM is reported in which the reported PM is judged and taken care of, either by ban or infraction. Now even if we can see the reported PM we can only see it we can not touch it, only Admins hold that type of power. If you are banned in a situation that involves PM it means the reported REPORTED PM was seen and was deemed ban worth, but I repeat Moderators can not see PMs or even access them, only admins can.

 

[Vision]

Dear Memeber,

We do not read your PM's only the admins do and thats case by case. It's to their descretion either to do so or not.

Furthermore:

This is not a country where we just follow a common law or any local laws. If we did, we all would be subject to a different countries laws. However there are Global Rules of the forum that you must follow. This does not give you privacy rights. You have privacy unless something happens and the admins feel the need to do something about it. Follow the global rules of the forum, or RP rules if you rp and you shouldn't have any problems, ie: Infractions or getting banned.

Don't worry about other people either. If everyone worries about themselves and follow the rules, no one would be getting an infraction or a ban.

Thanks.

 

[Pekoms]

Okay, now that you've made this issue in regards to a specific instance, the answer is much more evident. The member in question was reported by more than one person. The primary concern of the people whom reported the user you've identified was that he was an alternative account of a permanently banned member, or was an account lent to the banned member. A global moderator investigated the reports and made the connection, through what the members reported and an IP check. There was no need to check private messages, so everything you've been accusing the staff of has been for nothing. To confirm, we are not privy to any private messages that are not reported or ours to begin with. The "proof" you speak of had nothing to do with delving into his inbox. As a banned member using other accounts, however, he may acquired them, is entirely prohibited as per the forum rules. There is nothing left to discuss in regards to this matter.​

 

[Avani]

Your post is quite unclear and you have made too many mistaken assumptions while jumping on one issue to another. I will try to sum it up as I understand them.

1- Mods cannot see your PMs; Only admins can. Admins check your PMs only if they have a reason to believe someone is breaking forum rules or involved is a behaviour which may a cause problem for the site. So you are suggesting something which has always been practiced. Your privacy is intact. ^_^

2- What screen shots? Your other messages to mods and your posts left the staff wondering about what the hell you were going on and on about. Either way we won't have any screen shots of PMs unless one of you sends us one. And as others pointed it out before me- mods cannot check your PMs unless it's reported. So relax. ^_^

3- If it's about a particular user and you believe that he was banned unfairly or mistakenly please contact a GMod or an admin to sort the problem out. It's the fastest way to resolve such problems amicably and fairly.

Just so you know if they were bypassing a ban using an alt, it's against forum rules and would usually lead to permaban. However we only ban such users after confirming the ID. Their privacy is still kept `intact and we still do our utmost to keep it so.